Compensation

Uber vs Airbnb

Microsoftdiebut
Jun 14

Got offers for L5 SWE from Uber and Airbnb. Compensation numbers are pretty close. ~190K base $600k RSU based on 409a, no sign on. Please provide perspective on how to choose between the two.

Also, Who’s more likely to go public and have their stock go 2x? Why do you think that?

TC/GTFO: current tc is ~200k, lvl-63, 8yoe

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  • Facebookf95a0bd7d8
    Airbnb more likely to 2x. Uber will get its lunch eaten by Waymo. Airbnb has no one except the government to eat its lunch.

    Congrats on the two offers! Both are decent comp from decent conpanies.
    Jun 144
    • LMAO, you just graduated didn't ya?
      Jun 14
    • UberHolalo
      Ask Airbnb folks and they will tell you many competitors.
      Jun 14
    • MicrosoftdiebutOP
      Thanks! Appreciate your response. I have the same concern with Uber as well...
      Jun 15
    • Uber
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      "Decent offers from decent companies" - I am sure the OP appreciates the decent comments. Besides why congratulate on "just" decent?
      Jun 15
  • I’d go for airbnb
    Jun 140
  • Fordzfdk75
    Uber will IPO for sure
    Jun 140
  • Uber ‘s current 409A value is vastly undervalued.
    Jun 140
  • Wells Fargodazzling1
    If a bust happens both will be zero. So why bother
    Jun 140
  • UberFffftr
    Uber needs to ipo compared to Airbnb so you may see liquidity in uber sooner however not sure how 409A valuation will shake up considering we took a hit in 17, sold China to Didi, Russia to yandex, SEA to grab, and who knows what’s next. Huge initiatives like freight and eats could be game changers though.
    Jun 140
  • Airbnb / Engfuckyall
    ignore the money, there is no way to know which one of us will multiply faster. we are both positioned pretty well but have competitors as any multi-billion dollar company would.

    what team would you be joining? how do you like the manager? what problems would you be solving in each place and does that appeal to you? which culture fits you better? which culture would you want to see yourself in 2 years from now? does company mission matter to you (where your money comes from and how much you care for your customers)? both companies are vastly different sizes, you may be able to have more impact at Airbnb and while we have difficult problems to solve there is no doubt that Uber has harder technical challenges around scaling real time data processing and their infra sounds pretty great.
    Jun 148
    • Airbnb / Engfuckyall
      also, ask for a sign on
      Jun 14
    • MicrosoftdiebutOP
      I know the team and problem space for Uber, but I’m having a harder time doing the same for Airbnb since the team is not fixed right now. I’m going to talk to couple of dev managers to get a better idea..

      I keep hearing about Airbnb complaints etc on their company channel. Even on my interview loop, one dev told me that there are some problems and told me to look up blind.... should that be a concern? How are things right now?
      Jun 15
    • AirbnbDukjhsu78
      OP I would say this largely depend on the team. We did hear feedback about relatively junior managers, as Airbnb promoted some of them in the past but didn’t offer proper trainings. This is getting better now, as formal training process are in place and the Talent team is well aware of the challenges that ICs are facing.

      I am still optimistic, the org I am in has a couple of good managers and I feel my voices are heard and the work I do is impactful. Happy to give you more details about the teams if you DM.

      Like the above suggestion, it is very hard to say which company would 2x earlier, so go for the areas you are more interested in, and the teams/manager that you like :)
      Jun 15
    • Airbnb / Engfuckyall
      you can request to be preallocated if you find a manager or team you like
      Jun 15
    • Airbnbairfresh
      I would highly recommend not being preallocated, you then get to actually speak to different teams and their managers and even look at product road map etc before deciding the team
      Jun 15
    • AirbnbYvLH38
      This is a great answer. What you work on daily matters a lot
      Jun 15
    • Airbnb / Engokherewego
      to be clear, I was suggesting preallocation given you explore teams before you onboard. it's not like you can choose _any_ team once you go through boot camp. you can only go where there is headcount
      Jun 15
    • AirbnbCuriousss
      As an engineer you have the luxury of choosing your team at Airbnb. Few things to always consider: PMs, Eng managers, what the team has done in the past, how much changes happened in the team in the past, what is the survey results on the team... if you know an insider from the team you can trust then that will be a huge help. I would say for the freedom of choosing which team you go to, Airbnb is a good choice but if you go to the wrong team you will regret your decision. Although not all teams has HC but if you strongly show your preference for joining a team it is hard to say no! So be firm and bold when you choose a team.
      Jun 17
  • Snapchatmehmet
    Go uber. Easier to find technically interesting work.
    Jun 150
  • Airbnb192168255
    I was in your position semi-recently and can provide my perspective if it’s helpful.

    From the work perspective: Uber has lots of interesting technical challenges, but you obviously are slotted more to a particular team. If you indicate that you’re going to take another offer they will give you some flexibility to swap over to another. It really depends on how you see that teams role, it’s importance to the company, and your role within the team. Uber probably has more problems to solve that are purely technical and difficult, like ATG, and problems in the maps and telematics space, that can be hard to find elsewhere.

    Another thing to consider is the distribution of Uber’s eng talent is probably not as uniform as Airbnb, FB, Goog because the hiring manager is more in charge of the process. I felt that there certainly was more variance at Uber from the people that I talked to and interviewed with. So something to consider with the initial offer and internal transfers.

    I’ve heard the Uber culture reset has gone well, but it’s difficult to eliminate all of the habits that may have formed.

    From Airbnb, there are a lot of interesting technical challenges as well, but it certainly depends on what you’re interested in. You may not find as many specialized problems here as at Uber, and the domains are quite different. The payments team has strong and interesting work, lots of interesting ML challenges, growth, marketplace, search, network trust, image and text problems around listings. Airbnb has a good culture around learning and education so it’s possible to pick up new skills if your manager is supportive.

    Airbnb at least for the team I’m on had good managers and WLB, which is important for me. I feel that the technical talent is pretty strong here and the eng culture is good. It has been collaborative and positive so far, but I can’t speak for all of the orgs.

    From comp: Airbnb doesn’t really need to go liquid soon since it’s shown it can turn a profit. Uber is going to be liquid sooner if I had to bet. Uber has more capital intensive bets. It’s hard to say which is better. I would wager that Uber perhaps has a higher ceiling but there’s more variance in terms of where it goes. Airbnb has a really strong network effect, and while there are competitors, I feel pretty confident in our business. I’m especially interested to see how some of the market segmentation plays out that we’ve announced recently, and the investment into trips, which seems like a pretty fractured product space that could be buoyed by our network effects. So they’re both good options.

    I would finally say that whatever you are most passionate about will accelerate your long term earnings more than what you think will earn you most over the next 4. They probably won’t be too different in terms of the comp, so I would err on the side of culture and problems you find interesting, rather than an extra 100 or 200k over 4.
    Jun 154
    • MicrosoftdiebutOP
      This is really helpful. Thanks for responding!

      When you made the decision, did you already know which team in Airbnb you would be in? I have an information asymmetry problem now since Airbnb team is unknown where as for Uber I met the manager and team and know exactly what set of problems I will get to work on. How do you deal with this?
      Jun 15
    • Airbnb192168255
      Ask your recruiter to set up calls with potential teams, I talked to 2, and that helped me get a good sense. I ended up choosing a different team than either of those two when I joined. So I didn’t really know but I thought there were enough interesting problems that I would find something satisfying.

      The other thing I’ll say which I’m sure you already know being at MSFT is that priorities do change and shift at large companies. For example, Safety and Insurance is in the spotlight at Uber recently, whereas it had less of a C level focus before Dara came in. So having internal flexibility can be an important thing as well.

      The final thing I’ll say is that you can generally accept a previous offer within a year or two at most large companies, at the same level of comp if it doesn’t work out, so I wouldn’t worry too much about something not being a great fit.
      Jun 15
    • Airbnb192168255
      That helps narrowing it down then. I’d ask the recruiter what teams are in Seattle, so you should be able to get a much better sense of available opportunities.

      Size/growth can be a plus or minus. Expanding capacity in an office can mean people management opportunities if you’re patient, and that’s what you want to do.
      Jun 15
    • MicrosoftdiebutOP
      I spoke to a couple managers at Airbnb and got a better idea of what areas I would work on. It seems pretty good. I am still finding it difficult to decide. Can you tell me what makes you confident about Airbnb’s business? Also, recruiter told me Airbnb likely to ipo by 2020... Do you believe that?
      Jun 19
  • Airbnb192168255
    Ask your recruiter to set up calls with potential teams, I talked to 2, and that helped me get a good sense. I ended up choosing a different team than either of those two when I joined. So I didn’t really know but I thought there were enough interesting problems that I would find something satisfying.

    The other thing I’ll say which I’m sure you already know being at MSFT is that priorities do change and shift at large companies. For example, Safety and Insurance is in the spotlight at Uber recently, whereas it had less of a C level focus before Dara came in. So having internal flexibility can be an important thing as well.

    The final thing I’ll say is that you can generally accept a previous offer within a year or two at most large companies, at the same level of comp if it doesn’t work out, so I wouldn’t worry too much about something not being a great fit.
    Jun 150
  • Airbnb / EngMytesjh
    Either option will be a good choice financially. You should choose by determining which culture you buy into the most.
    Jun 150
  • Uberftds56
    I would say in terms of TC, Uber offer definitely has upside due to the latest downleveling by Softbank.
    Jun 150
  • MicrosoftdiebutOP
    Guys I need help. Even the poll is at 50/50. Someone make the decision for me, please!!
    Jun 191
    • Lol. Go for Uber.

      Now if I give you some reasoning, then I'm leaving the decision to you, but I can elaborate if you want to get back in the drivers seat.
      Jun 19
  • Airbnbbeloong
    Go for Uber.
    Jun 200
  • AirbnbWisenbye
    Go for Uber
    Jun 221
    • That’s flattering, what’s the reason?
      Jun 22
  • AirbnbAirNeeded
    Either one should be fine . Which product do you believe in more, join that
    Jun 250
  • Uberknight
    Either option is good. Uber’s 409a is kind of undervalued now.
    Jun 260
  • Microsoftvalhrona
    Which one did you pick?
    Jul 250
  • Wow 139x139
    Jul 250

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