Uber vs Square

Epic akaimma
Sep 13, 2018 40 Comments

Got initial numbers from both. Here's how they look -

My yoe - 7.5

Uber
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position - SDE 2/high L4
base - 160K
rsu - 385K
sign-in bonus - 25K

Square
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position - Senior SDE/high L5
base - 170K
rsu - 400K
sign-in bonus - 15K

There's still some room to negotiate the offer with Uber. Square told me that they don't increase much from the initial offer. Both companies' teams and projects sound exciting. I'm expecting Uber will at least match the numbers someway or other with Square.

Questions:
1. Do these numbers look reasonable?
2. What can be considered a good TC for each of these companies given my yoe? I was expecting to get around 200K base, 550K rsu and 50K+ sign-in bonus. Are these unreasonable numbers? If not, how can I pitch these to the recruiters?
3. Any comment on this two companies, their work culture, or anything else that i need to know.

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TOP 40 Comments
  • Square
    KyleQ

    Square

    PRE
    Facebook, Google
    KyleQmore
    Real money vs paper money
    Sep 13, 2018 8
    • Uber IRxn25
      That shows how much you know about Uber. IPO is next year and we have RSUs not options
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Square Cdjkddj
      So a year (allegedly) + likely a 180 day lockup (standard after IPO). Aka I’m basically still right. 💅
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Uber IRxn25
      Your theory is basically don’t work for Uber as there is a lock up. What do you have to say about people who joined Square pre-IPO? And who are these “many” people claiming Uber is overvalued? People throwing shit in the air w/o facts? Check out morning star report on Uber and it’s possible valuation on IPO, get your facts right.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Square
      KyleQ

      Square

      PRE
      Facebook, Google
      KyleQmore
      Ignore the money. I recommend just choosing based on company culture. These two companies couldn’t be any more different.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Www qq
      Square culture is very much like Google (in a good way). Because it was started by a lot of Googlers. I interviewed with both but felt Uber culture felt a little toxic, but this can be very team specific. But don’t care my feeling, do gather facts. Which team do you think you will enjoy working with?
      Sep 15, 2018
  • LinkedIn Liveandevi
    Both companies are fine except
    - You already missed the Square’s train
    - Uber’s last train is approaching
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      This is what I'm feeling as well.
      Sep 14, 2018
  • LinkedIn kleF03
    My suggestion is Square. Uber will be fine. But I don’t see any upward potential after going public as its valuation is way higher than it should be.
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Cruise Automation Llllllkll
      I don’t think so. If it’s way higher then there won’t be two new investments after softbank shrinks its valuation to 48B. The 2017 was unexpected, valuation was overvalued. Now as lyft expansion slow down and Ubereats doing well, the valuation is justified.
      Sep 13, 2018
  • Comcast JygG83
    Uber doesn't do sign-on bonus. Makes me think this is a troll post.
    Sep 16, 2018 2
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      actually, uber is offering me good amount of sign-on bonus
      Sep 16, 2018
    • Facebook job-huntin
      I have a Uber and square offer as well, and Uber did offer me sign on to cover up for low base salary.
      Jan 28
  • Epic akaimma
    OP
    Can someone comment on the TC and all? Do these numbers look reasonable? Where can they be improved and by how much?
    Sep 14, 2018 2
    • Apple / Eng Www qq
      TC is low, to be honest. I have 4 years of experience and was offered a little more than this from both companies.
      Sep 15, 2018
    • Facebook job-huntin
      Mind sharing your numbers, @Apple?
      Jan 28
  • Chegg snt124
    Needed that square offer 2 years ago.
    Really depends on which company you believe in more. Personally I’d go with Square and it’s not that close
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      Do you mind sharing your reservation towards Uber?
      Sep 14, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng robotparts
    There is no such thing as a ‘high’ whatever level.
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • LinkedIn Liveandevi
      Eh. There is definitely a quartile and position. How does OP know his is another story
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Groupon preorder
    Square looks good. Congratulations.
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Square MkWG35
    That Square offer looks similar to my L5 offer a year ago. You can maybe push the RSU’s a bit higher. But otherwise a reasonable offer.
    Sep 14, 2018 0
  • Cruise Automation Llllllkll
    Can Uber level up? My friend had PhD and 3 years experience got a similar SDE II offer from Uber (a little lower). What price are you quoating here?
    Sep 13, 2018 3
    • Cruise Automation Llllllkll
      Actually 20k per year lower. This is really the highest of L4 I think.
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      Thanks. Price is around 41. How much increase in TC can I expect if uber offers me L5?
      Sep 13, 2018
    • Cruise Automation Llllllkll
      I don’t know, Uber people may help. Since square stock has been doing well, it’s really tough I think
      Sep 13, 2018
  • bay area or seattle ?
    Sep 13, 2018 2
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      Bay area
      Sep 14, 2018
    • pm me and I can offer you some advice
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Yahoo TopPerform
    OP, have you made a decision? In similar boats as you.
    Sep 14, 2018 1
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      Can you share details on your offers?
      Sep 14, 2018
  • LinkedIn Gojiberry
    Get an offer from google and use it as leverage. Without other offers, it’s hard to move the needle significantly beyond 10-30k
    Sep 13, 2018 1
    • Epic akaimma
      OP
      I already have two offers. Do I need more?
      Sep 14, 2018
  • Epic kMGm60
    Which one did you pick eventually?
    Oct 20, 2018 0
  • Square EHbt10
    That's about what I got from Square but mine was a year ago so things are good.

    They're both good offers, Uber is a lot higher variance and TBH I'm not that impressed with Uber's prospects - most of their position now is first-mover advantage and I don't think they'll be first to self-driving technology
    Sep 20, 2018 0
  • Epic akaimma
    OP
    Thanks everyone for your valuable comments/suggestions/insights.
    Sep 15, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng UuUuUui
    Why not both. They are in the same building anyways ;)
    Sep 13, 2018 0