Uber watered down waterfall development

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Sep 2 32 Comments

Is the development process at Uber more like watered down waterfall disguised as agile? I hear its common to spec and design a project for weeks or months at a time before starting to work on it. Thats just waterfall with more meetings lol. How is the pace of development compared to startups?

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  • Uber mbbbtrrr
    if you take a month specing a project, you will get fired.

    uber has 30k employees, and is no startup by any means. it is not microsoft either. not yet.
    Sep 2 5
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      I didn’t realize it already had so many employees. 30k wow. The day it turns into Microsoft, there will be a giant exodus.
      Sep 2
    • Amazon CeoExtra
      30k counting the drivers?
      Sep 2
    • Uber mbbbtrrr
      3 million and 30k counting the drivers
      Sep 2
    • Uber kisht
      Number of software engineers is 4k not 30k.
      Sep 2
    • Uber mbbbtrrr
      and who said it was 30k engineers?
      Sep 3
  • Facebook ExPo20
    Not sure about how it is now, but about a year and half ago that was not the case. Uber was hands down the most agile and fast moving company I have experienced. Their current troubles seem to suggest they regressed into what you’re pointing towards.
    Sep 2 4
    • Apple
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      Thanks for the insight. How would you compare to the pace at Facebook?
      Sep 2
    • Facebook ExPo20
      Facebook is much much slower. I try not to say that a lot, lol. It might also vary a ton by team. Fb is also massive.
      Sep 2
    • Apple
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      They can code so fast with php once they figure out the features though ;)
      Sep 2
    • Facebook ExPo20
      😂
      Sep 2
  • Uber is a machine. Used to be faster but until today our motto is "let's move fwd". No politics. No BS.
    Sep 2 0
  • Facebook / Eng
    dividebyz

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    No it's the gig economy process.
    Sep 2 0
  • Uber basket
    Fast for its size
    Sep 2 0
  • Uber / Eng zhdbwb
    Every team chooses their own methodology so there is no ‘one way’ across the company.

    That said what you probably heard about is the ERD process, which is writing a spec doc in a week or two and having it reviewed for 1-2 weeks by all other mobile/backend/frontend devs to make sure you’re not going to screw up other teams work inadvertently.

    Otherwise my team is weekly sprints, stand ups when we need them, retros and all that other agile jazz. The company is very process light from my experience, notwithstanding the ERD process which we ripped from google’s RFC process.
    Sep 2 7
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      Well that definitely clears things up! Are the senior engineers level 5 and up responsible for the ERDs, or can the team decide?

      There’s other tools for syncing up on apis with a much faster turnaround time.
      Sep 2
    • Uber / Eng zhdbwb
      5 and above are usually the writers, but the manager has discretion to get anyone to write including 3 and 4. They’re used heavily for design and architecture part of promo, so 3 and 4 benefit from writing them more than 5s. If lower levels write, usually a 5 is a co-writer which ends up just being proof reader. It’s a nice break because you probably wrote a lot of them going from L4 to L5.
      Sep 2
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      Ah, that explains why I was asked about my experience drafting up design docs during my interview. I am waiting to hear the offer details. I will walk away from the offer if it’s not a L5.
      Sep 2
    • Uber / Eng zhdbwb
      Best of luck, great time to join with the stock down, the Uber channel has lots of jealousy for people joining now. I would probably walk away if not L5 also.
      Sep 2
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      Can you pm me please
      Sep 2
  • Uber / Eng TKOmelette
    It slowed down a bit but it’s still a lot faster than Apple.
    Sep 2 2
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      I had a short stint at Apple. Didn’t like it.
      Sep 2
    • Pandora / Eng Tjxb836
      Which team at Apple?
      Sep 2
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    What is scrum if not 2 week waterfall? 😎😝
    Mgmt be like what took 3 months before, do it in 2 weeks. 🤑

    I want leadership teams and head honchos to do scrum. Let’s see how many of them complete their stories in time. And give correct estimates.
    Sep 2 3
    • Apple
      Timmayyyyy

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      Scrum should really be about iteration based on feedback loops. But this is rarely practiced. I don’t think I’ve ever attended a sprint review that had actual feedback from stakeholders. One of the byproducts of scrum is that you will ship faster obviously. If you tell developers to ship stuff every two weeks, that is what they’ll do. Ready or not, here the crap comes.
      Sep 2
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      Agreed. I was being a bit sarcastic - if you see Dave Thomas’s Agile is dead talk, that captures accurately how a methodology by developers morphed into something very different. The absolutely nauseating example of that is https://www.scaledagileframework.com
      Sep 2
    • Apple
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      Scrum has morphed into job security for scrum masters and project managers.
      Sep 2
  • Snapchat Doodzad
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Sep 2 2
    • Apple
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      How’s the process at Snap?
      Sep 2
    • Snapchat Doodzad
      not uncommon to work on design for a sprint or two before implementation, specially for new services or major refactors.
      Sep 2

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