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Top ten companies with approved H1B visas in 2017.

Company. H1B Salary Bach/Mstrs/PhD
COGNIZANT 28,908 85k 22k/6.5k
TCS. 14,697. 73k. 11k/2.9k
INFOSYS. 13,408. 85k. 10k/3k
WIPRO. 6,529. 75k. 3.9k/2.5k
DELLOITTE. 6,027. 106k. 3.9k/2k
ACCENTURE. 5,070. 85k. 3.6k/1.4k
TECH MAH. 4,931. 78k. 3.1k/1.7k
AMAZON. 4,767. 118k. 3.2k/1.3k
HCL. 4,392. 87k. 2.7k/1.6k
MSFT. 4069. 130k. 2.1k/1.6k

CAPGEMINI. 3580. 84k. 2.6k/1.1k
IBM. 3000. 79k. 1.8k/1.1k
GOOGLE. 2758. 134k. 1.7k/0.7k/0.3k
INTEL. 2625. 104k. 2k/0.2k/0.4k
APPLE. 2055. 142k. 1.1k/0.6k/0.2k
CISCO. 1587. 128k. 1k/0.6k
FACEBOOK. 1566. 145k. 0.9k/0.5k/0.1k
ORACLE. 1546. 123K. 1k/0.6k

- Some of these companies have approvals for people without bachelor or masters degrees.

- Immigrants who have long wait times (153 years for Indians, 6 years for Chinese) to get PR, how do you feel about this?

Source : https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/Reports%20and%20Studies/Immigration%20Forms%20Data/BAHA/Approved_H1B_2017_Employers_3.2.18.pdf

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Intuit 0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣
Wow those salaries are low.

Part of me is angry at the wealthy taking advantage of things like this, but part of me is also empathetic for people who want a better life in the US. I am here because my grandparents/great grandparents had the opportunity to come here, as many other Europeans did in the early 20th century.

Borders are pretty dumb for limiting opportunities, based on where you are born. The world didn’t have modern borders or visas until 100ish years ago.
Jan 2619 7
- New ★★★★★
  Borders keep you safe buddy.
  
  No borders and your salary will be cut 90%....there are billions out there desparate to live and can rasily replace you. If you like india, just go live there.
  
  Your grand parents paid their dues....new immigrants must do the same or else it cheapens the citizenship and dilutes value for existing members.
  Jan 2610
- Intuit 0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣
  I don’t think borders keep us safe. I think our strong military and the idea that you don’t mess with the United States because of our military is what keeps us safe.
  Jan 263
- HP / EngBrodozermore
  The military protects citizens who pay for the military via taxes. If people are sneaking in illegally they are ripping the system off, including the Military.
  Jan 261
- Apple rsusfallinmore
  Brodozer, oh look... https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes
  
  Before you complain about immigration legal and illegal, do some research...
  Jan 260
- Intuit 0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣
  They pay billions in taxes and can’t claim any of the benefits (no SS or Medicare for them, which by far compose the vast majority of all social safety net spending in the US).
  Jan 260
- New ★★★★★
  Yeah and you pay for illrgals fue procesding, their kids in dchool or jail...SS or medicare doesnt benefit mpst in tech so why do you want this situation to continue?
  Jan 270
- Intuit 0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣1️⃣0️⃣
  If their kids are here, I’d rather they be educated than not, otherwise they’d get into trouble (just like any kid who wouldn’t be in school).
  Jan 270
Microsoft Dr. Root
Cognizant, TCS and Infosys have been DDOSing the h1b lottery for decades. Fucking hate these body shoppers. They're the reason that we're in this 30 year GC wait time.
Jan 2631 1
- Amazon BfRx68
  They are taking advantage of a poorly designed system. The immigration system Is broken and that is the real problem.
  Jan 310
SAP z3dd
Cognizant is the plague
Jan 2624 0
Tableau krxi15
2017 was trump and republicans
Jan 262 8
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Dude, seriously? How can you change a reform in ~2 months in office? He was sworn in on January 20th and the deadline to apply for visa I
  is April 1st.
  Jan 263
- Tableau krxi15
  What reform? Political parties dont control who applies how many applications. Cognizant just tends to apply a lot.
  Jan 261
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Limit the applications to those who actually qualify. I bet undergrad from South Asia is definitely not the same as in the US.
  Jan 261
- Tableau krxi15
  I am not debating that. I am trying to understand how are you blaming democrats for this. There was no such law before democrats that applied limits and democrats removed it. It has always been like this. So again how is this their fault that cognizant applied a lot.
  Jan 260
- Tableau krxi15
  Also stop acting entitled...”I bet undergrad from South Asia is definitely not the same as in the US.”
  
  An undergrad from IIT is way more better than a masters degree from a ton of average universities in USA.
  Jan 265
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Haha.. So many people from IIT go these sweat shop Companies?
  Jan 262
- Tableau krxi15
  Yes, why wouldn’t they?.... if they are doing small time job in india and these companies give a chance to them to come to US and make their life better. No everyone who went to IIT is rich to come to US on their own dime to do masters.
  Jan 260
- Microsoft horizontal
  Exactly 0 IIT grads in indian consultancy sweat shops.
  Jan 260
Google euBx84
The fucked up part is that salary is usually 50%-60% of TC at tech companies. They don't do bonuses or equity or refreshers at bodyshoppers. So they legit only get that low salary. Pretty fucked up.
Jan 260 9
- Facebook public2
  73k is low?!
  Jan 260
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Yes, in Tech, it's low. Hire an American and pay more
  Jan 263
- Google euBx84
  Yes it's low. And that's the average. Keep in mind people don't get promod or raises at these companies. They negotiate one time for a shitty salary, and are pretty much stuck with it
  Jan 260
- Facebook public2
  No, it's not low at all. You guys are in a bubble. The average american software engineer makes about 77k/year.
  Jan 260
- Google euBx84
  Okay guy. My dad works at a consultancy and has for the past 15 years. Trust me you have absolutely no idea how bad they are. Usually when they start the job, everyone is on the bench until they find a client. The company usually puts 15-25 people in a two bedroom apt, and gives them one car to get groceries. It's dirty af, and the only reason people don't complain is because they want to stay here.
  
  I've heard of Infosys folks in Bay area working at tech Giants making 80k/year. Most of the time they're clearly not as skilled for qualifications of fang job. But still 80k in the bay.... No raises, no promos, no hope. I'm a h1b now at google, and it makes me feel super duper guilty that my dad had to go through that to put me through college.
  Jan 262
- Facebook public2
  Thanks for the explanation and that does sound terrible. I'm not sure I understand though, if they are making 80k a year why do they live with 15 people in am apartment? Or is that just when they first arrive? $4,600 a month post tax is not enough to support a luxury lifestyle in the bay for sure but its far from broke and many people live in the bay on 15/hour. I bought a house at 77k/year after several years of aggressive saving. It's not easy but it's absolutely possible. Something isn't adding up.
  Jan 261
- Google euBx84
  Yep only when they first arrive. They usually give an allowance of ~300 cash every month too.
  
  Well yeah people live on $15 in the bay. But not in the tech industry. There's additional costs/uncertainty too. My dad had to pay partially for green card app, and anytime he wants to send app on premium processing ($1200). For my dad the issue was raising family of 4 with college and what not while living with uncertainty that he could be sent home and not make US wages anymore.
  
  Many of his colleagues were sent to India with 1 week notice(applied for h1b, and then withdrew application). He will likely be sent back this year, but our education is finished so he's happy. They are also treated like work horses and work everyday of the week. He said policy at capgemini right now is 1 person onshore(in USA) for every 15 people offshore(in India) and plan is to try complete offshoring soon(they've tried this before but clients get pissed when the employees they talk to are in completely different time zone).
  Jan 261
- Facebook public2
  Thank you for sharing your story. This sounds like abuse for sure. So he was being paid 300 a month and not 4600? I know the system is broken but curious how does clear abuse like this not get reported? H1b is supposed to be for highly skilled workers hence the high pay. I'm sorry the system failed your dad that is infuriating.
  Jan 261
- Google euBx84
  Initially yes he was being paid far less. Now h1b lottery is tougher than when my dad came here(2000ish), so companies won't just bring in random person. But 10s of thousands of students on OPT try their best to stay in US and work for random Indian consultancies(big or small). Honestly, I would tell them they'll likely have more opportunity at home if they're willing to put in the effort, but many stay here just because USD>>>INR (and they took big student loans). It doesn't matter how much effort they put since they'll be stuck in same job here. These companies will promote in India because the marginal cost of promo is minimal in terms of USD. I really hope all the folks at consultancies can go to any other company that needs tech in any other industry.
  
  Thanks, we're happy my dad's sacrifice was worth it in the end. I make twice what my dad does with 1.5yrs experience and we both live in high COL areas. He has 30 YOE. You live and you learn.
  Jan 260
Twitter Oomnj
Orange man actually bad?
Jan 260 2
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Nope
  Jan 265
- HP / EngBrodozermore
  Can confirm. Nope.
  Jan 262
Symantec drthvader
Indian IT service companies are finding holes in the system and taking advantage of that. They file green card EB1 for these guys whose job is scrum master or project manager because it has manager in the title. These companies are lobbying heavily to keep the system intact and on the flip side Silicon Valley companies hardly do anything for their h1b candidates other than filing green card.
Jan 267 2
- Tableau krxi15
  No one stopping you from joining them as scrum master 😂
  Jan 260
- Oracle MLman
  All
  Such visa extensions are getting rejected by USCIS now in bulk - reason is not a specialty occupation
  Jan 260
LinkedIn mSNI75
The problem is the American education system & American greed. Why else would these companies hire cheap labor from outside?
Also, while these salaries are low for the Bay Area, a lot of these folks are in parts of the country where that amount is good money.
Jan 262 4
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  BTW, all those companies are not US baaed companies. They're Indian based who work for US companies
  Jan 261
- Apple / Engmegamex
  @lmaoo I’d like to agree with mSNI75 here. To your point:
  
  …and a lot of these Indian-based companies are kept afloat by the US companies who want to save the costs by not directly hiring!
  
  Why, because direct-hires would cost a lot more than what these Indian-based companies’ hire tend to cost and that is the real cause.
  
  Seems like a long-term side effect of capitalism
  Jan 262
- Uber / Designbromance
  Having lots of high-paying jobs is also a long-term side effect of capitalism
  Jan 271
- HP / EngBrodozermore
  Bro, I hear ya. Long live Capitalism!
  Jan 270
Facebook public2
I don't see what is wrong with this? Highly skilled and paid immigrants is good for the country, not bad.
Jan 260 12
- Google Methane
  I agree but it also just kicks the can down the road. The real problem is our shitty education system at the K-12 level. H1Bs basically keep our economy afloat. I'd like to think that without H1Bs we'd be forced to fix the real issue, but I'm probably being idealistic. They'd just find some way out of it.
  Jan 260
- Facebook public2
  Low pay? This pay is very high. The average american family for 4 makes about 55k a year. These folks are making 75 to 120k as a single person right?
  Jan 260
- Facebook lmaoo
  OP
  Can you even read? Who's paying you $120k? All those sweat shops pay less.
  Jan 261
- Facebook public2
  Yep, can you? I said 75 to 120k ;). The supposed "sweatshop" paying 73k is significantly more than the median american family (two earners) and is inline with the average software engineer salary. Not everyone can earn millions a year like we do. I don't see the problem at all. Good, high paying, sustainable middle class jobs are great. I can see americans complaining that they aren't getting more jobs like this but the simple truth is not enough of us have the necessary skills to get such a good job. 73k is not a sweatshop, that's a house, two cars, and a yearly vacation.
  Jan 260
- Microsoft leet_away
  The only reason you can earn millions is because the floodgates have not been opened yet. There are 10s of thousand of engineers that are as good if not better than you in India & China. They would do your job for 100k a year in a heartbeat if weren’t for the US immigration system. Make sure to save $$ while it lasts cause with our for corporate overlords seeking only profit and naive people like you it’s only a matter of time...
  Jan 260
- Facebook public2
  Oh I'm no longer a swe which is why I earn good money. Bring as many immigrants as possible; I would love to employ them!
  Jan 270
- Microsoft leet_away
  Yes, I’m would love to be able to employ them as cheap as possible and as subservient as possible. It’s shit like this that’s going to block any immigration reform in this country.
  
  You must have sucked as an engineer if you had to switch in order to earn good money.
  Jan 270
- Facebook public2
  Swe pays well and has a high floor but very low ceiling. Most swe who can evolve will find almost every other role at their company has a lower floor but almost no ceiling. I know you were trying to be snarky but just in case someone is actually serious wanted to share!
  Jan 270
- Amazon BfRx68
  I don’t think there are so many good engineers in India and China. Many engineers..yes. Good ones..no. Otherwise we would be doing much better tech wise.
  Jan 310
- Bank of The West GSWmore
  What a flawed logic. You can have lot of talent but if not used in the right direction you will just suck!
  Jan 310
VMware kungfu!
I like that USCIS is vetting the applications more stringently nowadays. They should’ve done that in the past.
Some rejections are unfair though where they only look at the person’s engineering major instead of his entire experience and skillset.
Hopefully they define a fair standard for what they think is acceptable for h1b.
Jan 264 0
New ★★★★★
85k is too much for know nothings at indian bodyshops.....why are engineers like to self sabatagr their own occupation. You dont see doctors and lawyers doing this....even pro atheletes have a union......must be know it all liberal smugness....until they get replaced by h1b when they hit 40.
Jan 262 0
Bank of The West GSWmore
The system is a mess and both parties don’t want to solve it. No solution is on table and whatever one comes up with will he not adequate enough. Also the downside of h1b is that job moves overseas. What trump has said but not done is to ensure that “specialized skill” can come but not anyone with any skill. Like Business Analyst role isn’t h1b qualified but a java developer is and can be. There is a clear need to show that these body shoppers are paying decent salary (min should be 100k) and is bringing experienced employees not fresh out of college (a lot of them do and pay less)

Hope that 45 can do something about it although he is right now fixated on the wall so legal immigration isn’t even in background ....
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WTF! We definitely need H1B reform.

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