I am working as senior software engineer and I have a MS in Computer Science. I am planning to do full-time PhD while working full time. Do you think it is legally possible to do it. As I need the 100 % scholarship from university to complete my PhD. That means I will be working as TA/RA in the university and also maintain a full time job at my present company. I want to explore all the legal options I have to do my PhD.
- Dude, forget TA/RA. If your job is able to sustain you, why do you want to eat up funding?
If you don’t take RA you will be able to work at your own pace without feeling obligated in exchange of funding and your advisor will love you for working for free.
Legally it might be possible, just ask your university’s international students’ office or a lawyer. Don’t take anyone’s word here - always verify with legal expert.
It should be practical to manage PhD along with a full time job. I know of many people who have done that (US citizens so no visa limitations). I would suggest this over quitting job because you will also accumulate industry experience over the 4-5 years which matters a lot. You will avoid opportunity cost with this route.
- Aah, I see. You can check whether your school can give you tuition waver as a scholarship. This would be different from RA/TA. This is not employment so H1 should allow it. All speculation, please check if this actually works under law. Some schools give such scholarships. Even partial waiver will help you.
- Just want to throw one more consideration at you, you might need to pay full tuition only for the duration for your course and research credits. Yes, that too takes good amount of time. But once that is done you can go for reduced coursework and enroll for the minimum credit hours to maintain enrollment while you complete dissertation.
This generally is 1 credit hour per arm or per year depending on Univ. Not saying this is cheap, but if you are adamant about PhD, these are all options to try.
Good luck. No one commits to PhD in sane state of mind, so welcome to the club. It’s a life time of regret that you will feel happy about.Oct 29, 2018 2
- Cisco FXzH34Ok, I have a PhD and let me tell you this. Taking classes + TAing + conducting original research is >60 hour/week job. You won't be able to hold your fulltime job. Also, a university would have to file a new H1b petition for you, which is very rare. Usually students are on F1 and J1 visas. Only university staff members might be eligible for H1b.
- Seriously. You think you can do it until you burn out 1.5 years into it and lose your job along with it. A decent school won't even allow this. They want your full attention in a full time program and won't waste resources or scholarships on someone who thinks 100hrs a week is realistic...a top accredited US school that is. Because where else do they even have the courses you've described?
- IEEE cfgaussYou do know that there are only 24*7=168 hours in a week. If you do then you sir have no idea what it takes to get a PhD. Forget about top schools, even in half decent schools in USA. Either way dont do it. Do not get into PhD unless you really like research and things related to research and can devote your attention full time to it. There are reasons a lot of smart people at even top schools give up.
- If you are on a visa you need to be on F1 to get scholarship. I don’t think you can be on two payrolls on H1. On the other hand if your company have Tuition reimbursement policy, you can do PhD part time and make your company pay for it.
- That might be correct, but that also means that your university will hire you on H1 to pay you TA/RA.
That won’t happen because univs can only hire on quota-exempt H1 so you will have to quit your job to get on that visa. That is assuming you are at all able to convince them to do that. Generally univ offices do not like being ‘creative’ with these matters. It is best to follow a well beaten path. Otherwise eventually you will cause yourself grief.
- MapR Technologies v5gfrj6You can do a part time PhD and work. That is possible and legal. You can go full time for PhD and then work at a company as well (PhD related research) and be a TA/RA as long as total work hours are within limits (not sure if its 20 hours or higher)
- New BananasssHe is right and this is how I did it. Used my employer tuition assistance to pay for my PhD. You can’t work at school while on h1-b. If your employer doesn’t pay tuition then you have to pay out of pocket and the bad news is, it is not deductible probably because you make good money.
- New / Eng ComTruisemoreYou seem smart, and you also seem decided on this regardless of what anyone may say. If it’s worth the risks I say go for it. Failure is not a sin.
They can take your h1b but no one will touch your PhD. No pun intended
- @ComTruise. Thanks for your thoughts. Yea I believe I can do it no matter what others are saying . I am aware of the amount effort it will take. My job is to put an honest effort and as you said failure is not a sin. At this stage I'm not at all thinking about success or failure.
- Google mondlerHey!
I see your comments above that “you’re ready for the grind and only worried about the legal possibilities”.
It’s good to see that you’re motivated about a PhD in Artificial Intelligence. I honestly don’t know about the legal concerns. I wanted to share some of my experience about research in AI.
I’m wondering what background or understanding you have on how Phd in AI is done these days, the conferences that happen throughout the year, no of papers that are accepted, how the review process works, fellow colleagues who are working on similar problems in other universities, professors you want to work with and most of all important: what are the problems that you would like exactly tackle and what solutions you propose and how good these solutions are?
I’m guessing you’re answer to these solutions is a NO. If that is the case, then legally you maybe able to do it, but you won’t be able to get the most out of your PhD if you do your job and Phd together.
Also, do you want to just get a PhD in this area so that you can learn about it or do you want to actually solve these problems for the future of mankind? If you’re motivated by the latter reason, then you should dedicate yourself to Phd and make an attempt. If you’re motivation is the former, I’m afraid a phd might not matter in the long run.
All this is just advice. Would be happy if you made it and prove me wrong. Either way, I would like to see you do well and be happy (of course!).
Edit: yes, you will figure out and do well. But if you want to do a Phd in 6years along with your job.. then the papers you publish will not be if very high quality..(especially if your job is not related to your phd) you’ll still learn a lot about the area and the problems and contribute a bit. What I meant to say was: There’s a lot more you can achieve during a Phd and you’ll have to miss out on them.
- @mondler. Thanks for your thoughts. May be my answer is 'NO' for few of those questions. But I can definitely get those answers over the period of time. Nobody know everything from the beginning. If I knew everything then I won't even try for PhD. All I know is I am ready to do everything needed to complete it and I'm not going to give up.
And thanks for sharing your experience in AI research. That may help me as well.