I can’t believe no one mentioned this but beside better paying tech jobs the US has another big value proposition: personal liberty. In every other country the government is far reaching in its control over individuals. I came for the TC and stayed for the ideals that the US stands for.
@phrahuthkd You for sure are stupid as you missed the context. OP bought the house for parents, not as an investment. Besides, depending on the location, it might be a good financial decision considering all the 20% + people here who make decide to go back.
So I have been away from the homeland so long I no longer fit in there. I wouldn’t mind living in SE Asia though. The culture is similar to home. Not such a brutal culture. No place is perfect however every place has its pluses and minuses.
I think the best thing about Silicon Valley and the tech industry in general is that you get to work with the smartest minds in the world. This is something you cannot find anywhere. Not Bangalore, not China, not SE Asia, not Australia not Canada. Every time I visit those places I feel like I’m surrounded by dumbasses. Yes I realize this is very arrogant of me.
@ugej58 no foo’ I was actually saying exactly the opposite. @bagsy you could say that. I think being around smart people in the Bay Area has definitely made me smarter than I would have been otherwise.
OP - I think you need few more options in the poll.
Been in the US for few years, so for me;
Was it Worth it - Definitely yes, amazing experience, so much to learn, job satisfaction, opportunity to work with smartest folks in the industry, made and am making lot of money. Wouldn't have gotten most of this otherwise.
Will staying be worth say few years from now? Likely not. - By then I Would have made enough money than I'd ever need for my lifestyle, would've gained technical skills that I wouldn't have gained otherwise, parents would be old and would be a good time to go back to take care of them, would have an opportunity to raise kids in India ingraineing the values in them, can live a rich lifestyle in India, can celebrate all festivals back.home, would not miss food.
There are pros and cons everywhere. You choose what's best for you at every stage in life.
That's true, you can. However you are not the only one instilling values. Environment plays an important role. The environment is different. Neighbors, teachers, friends play an equally important role there.
I’m making 99 percentile house hold income but still cannot afford best education, and housing for my children. Not sure what my children’s life will be without my skill and income. My older cousin was sick in my home country. He literally lived in hospital for two decades. He was fine because the public healthcare and support from relatives (whose annual income was less than my weekly income). If I get the same sickness here, I will likely be homeless and die very soon after it. With such tragedy, his wife didn’t divorce him, they didn’t bankrupt, still having money to support their kid to study in US.
There are always better schools, better houses. If you're in the 1% and can't figure out how to send your kids to good schools or live in a nice house that's a problem, but my guess is you just have the same biases all Americans do - you're doing very well, there's just always someone above you.
The healthcare issue is a big one, your points there are all good. It's really something we need to improve. On the other hand, being rich insulates you from it dramatically.
The question is are you 99 percentile in the local market ? Being in Bay Area or New York and making 99 percentile won't be enough, it's just the cost of living has risen along with your peers making similar amount of money. If you are in 99 percentile and living in Texas, Florida, mid west or some other place with not as cost of living. You will see the difference.
I think he is here because all the down sides are probability, not certainty or reality. He could have career development so he can afford his dream home. He could have smart kids who beat all the legacy and PC competitors and finish Harvard by 20 without expensive private schools. He may never get long term ill until his late 90s. Economic system, affirmative action and healthcare system won’t be always on his side, but what if he has luck and perfect gene:)
Well, somebody wanted to murder my father and rob our family in 1990 in our home country. We had some rough times starting all over in the states. Sometimes I feel like I’ve lived two lives: before emigration and after.
Dad’s still alive. I have a new life. Have to be grateful.
I feel no allegiance to a country that would condone marginalizing people from my background and persecuting us. And yes, I have very little sympathy for all if the snowflakes who don’t know what real life is like.
It depends how old you are. If you have 8 years of experience, family, kids and you the only 1 person working definitely not. Financially If you are from lower middle class then it's worth coming(This is me, i would have defenitely not earned this much if i was in India), you would miss family, friends and events,so weigh your options. Here they have some kind of events, celebrations but you dont feel as in India. Even the food, they say you get good food in bay area, you don't really get that level of spicy and taste. You will have luxury life but nothing else.
@euchrbdj you are exactly correct. Developing country migrants from upper middle class come here and compare ourselves to lower middle class Americans. You who has 5 generations of college graduates come here and compare yourself to someone who is the first in his family to go to college. That they can do that is a testament to the simple fact that they are in an economy that has expanded sufficiently to accommodate their aspirations. You can't use your experience to extrapolate to others. Open your eyes to the issues way too much of your country men face. India has a great culture perhaps but there is also a reason India exports most of its talent. All that youth and creative energy is being used to benefit other économies. Why is that? Accepting the hard truths and flaws will ensure that future generations potentially live a better life. US culture and western culture did not become this way overnight. You can tell that they learned from their mistakes and tried hard to build a decent society, this is why you came here. On the one hand you are benefitting from the culture that that hard work has produced and on the other hand you deny its existence.
It's funny how people who have no clue about India try to comment about India and her issues. It's ok if you are enamored with the American culture, but it's not if you try to use your limited knowledge to interpret the socio economic dynamics of another country and make ignorant comments. If You think the fraction of Indians you see in the US is "all of India's youth and creative energy" I advise you not to embarrass yourself any further by displaying an alarming deficiency of statistical and quantitative aptitude. Also please don't try to assume why I m here - it has nothing to do with the American culture - it's because I was asked to which in turn was because few here can do what I can and I m paid handsomely for it. Yes America is a developed country with amazing infrastructure but so are many countries in Europe but most can't even pay me in Euros what I used to earn in INR. So it's only about the economy, friend. You will understand what I am saying today if the USD ever depreciates considerably wrt INR. Anyways, i don't understand why is it so difficult to accept that not all Indians you see around yourself are your usual GC seeking H1B holder. Some here value their Indian roots more than the American dream, are in for a short term and look forward to returning to India at the end of their tenure.
When I talk about Indian youth and creative energy, I don't mean the US. You know that. I'm talking about ksa, sa, uae, the uk, Australia... The list goes on. India sends the most immigrant workers, both white collar and low skilled, than any other country in the world. Even your pm has said/encouraged as much. If you say it's because of population then think China. Then think at the gains China has made because of being able to retain its talent. I don't say these things to diss India... Quite the opposite. In terms of geo-political importance, India is punching well below its weight. You think that at the rate of Indian migration and focus of India that the world does not have a sense of what Indian society is like? I'm African, we grew up with Indians. We have Indian companies. The same 'legal' exploitative practices they have on my continent, they have here. Likewise the same energy and desire to succeed of regular Indians is the same everywhere. Culture is destiny. My contrast to western civilization is not only focused on India. It can be extended to other places. Recognizing where you are and where you need to be is a good thing. Recognizing success in others will enable you find success for yourself. It's your choice to admit or not, that the fact that you are able to work here successfully, and be treated well, is because of the society that exists here.
Walmart, we are not saying ALL Indians are like this or that. We understand some Indians come to this country temporarily just for the job. But you gotta realize the reality - so many complaints about GC queue is an example. I get that Indian culture is great and people are happy in India and they despise American culture and software engineers are relatively paid well and will save much money. I get that you in particular were so talented and got paid very well in India, and you didn’t come here voluntarily. But if you can’t see the truth and are not willing to look into the reality objectively, there cannot be any discussion. What you said about India can be said at many other developing countries. Vietnam has similar GDP and they have incredible work ethic and the mindset to survive. They even defeated US, France and China. Who else can claim this? Iran has such a colorful history and culture with beautiful Persian culture.
I have been to India. My colleague described India reminds of his home country - South Africa. To me, China is messy despite the recent economic growth. But China looks like a futuristic country compared to India. I could hardly walk due to so many holes on the street. I could see that tech workers are living a good life there. But most of unlucky people were eating in dust, smoking everywhere, dogs were wandering without owners or leash, people look like they took a shower more than a month ago. Basically homeless people in US look like having a better life than 98% of the people in India. I talked with many Indian friends and some have strong pride and some see the reality.
US culture looks bad to you but you gotta realize foreign culture looks bad all the time - partly because it is different than yours not because it is inferior.
India is divided into classes and most of upper middle class (majority of Indians in tech) didn’t have a chance to experience what middle class life is. When you talk about middle class, you should talk about the average Indian families but you hardly had a chance to even go to college together. This is the trap many Indians (and some Chinese) fall into due to strong national pride.
You think race, nation and culture defines the country. While this is true, level of economic maturity has the strongest correlation. Think about Marslow level. When you don’t solve hunger problem, you can’t even think about culture. When economy goes up to certain level, the country becomes surprisingly similar to western countries. Literally everything. Dating culture is one such example. Exposure to sex in early age is another one. Japan for example is more open than most of European countries. Even amongst European countries, countries with lower economic status is more conservative and resembles Asian countries of similar economic status. Russians are very close to Chinese for example in terms of people’s mindset.
India has a great potential. It has had high growth for years but it doesn’t improve GDP per capita much because of extremely high birth rate. When denominator become larger, the greater change is needed to improve the lives of people in general.
@Egypt80 - Like I said, you have no clue about India in general. Don't take it heart brother, but Your home country may not have anything to boast about, but my home country has. We have academic institutions who are more selective than many of the best you know here; institutions where top tech, analytics and investment banking companies around the world line up with foreign offers. The entrance exams to our top colleges and civil services consistently rank amongst the most difficult exams in the world. We have Noble laureates in the field of physics economics literature etc. We have one of the most fascinating space programs in the world that companies from developed Nations use to launch their satellites. India is the most multicultural and multilingual society anywhere on the planet. I can go on and on. Point is you haven't seen even a fraction of the youth and talent of India by growing up with a handful of Indians or looking at foreign Indian workers. Therefore America may be heaven for you brother, but I have a lot to look forward to back home.
@euchrbdj or whatever your handle is - don't spend so much energy and time in convincing me friend, you can't. You have experienced the dusty streets and dogs and "dirty people of India". I don't take offense with your descriptions because India is too huge for you to experience the most expensive home on the planet (antilla), the sprawling neighborhoods of Delhi Mumbai Bangalore or the breath taking views of the mountains and valleys. We have different experiences and hence different opinions about India and her people. I really don't care much about what you think, I think you should do the same. On a lighter note, in case you haven't noticed we have graduated from exporting consultants to exporting beauty (Priyanka Chopra) and she's already taking over ;)
Yeah keep living in bubble and maintain your racist superiority mindset that Indians are better than Egyptians and Americans etc. Just don’t say you are better than Hitler or KKK. BTW, your brilliant engineers don’t even have a single company whose brand name or product is known to the world. Norway and Finland has less than 1% of population compared to India yet they have software companies that sell software people use.
There is not a single university ranked at top 200 in CS research from India. I think Cairo or American university in Egypt may publish more reputable papers than IIT. I had a meeting with college professors and phd students in India’s MIT in Bangalore and the buildings were something of crime riddled Detroit. Bangalore’s recently built airport is not even at the scale of the airports in mid size city in US. Traffic is nightmare where there are not even car lanes and cars drive towards each others. It is an outlaw city.
Also citing rich neighborhoods doesn’t mean much. Do you know what it means? Wealth is unevenly distributed. India has so many billionaires and the numbers are close to China. However, overall GDP is less than 1/4 of China. That means wealth distribution is far worse than China. Greedy people who don’t care about lives of average people.
Yes India has beautiful nature and I have no problem admitting that. Yes India had some of the most influential people like Ghandi. Yes many Indian people are nice. But it seems many Indians in US think similarly to Chinese who are brain washed to believe oppression of free speech is fine. How could you not see what everyone sees? I am fine if these people didn’t insult anyone but they are hiring friends wives and promoting own people (just like we saw from your Indian superiority mindset) and keep preaching how racist white people are while Indians are the biggest racists (not even close to second). There are top many extreme far right Indians who care only about their people.
@e...j - You seem to be talking in front of a mirror as the only racist I find is you. Unlike you I am not expressing disgust towards another country, I m just explaining to you how ignorant you are about India. While your sole purpose is being anti Indian, my purpose is being anti ignorance. For example about Indian product companies - I bet you don't know about Flipkart ($17Billion ) and all other ~ 5 6 different unicorns, I bet u don't know how soft bank and other VCs are pouring millions into the next start up hotbed that is India. I also wont blame you if you haven't heard of AKS primality test or even understand why it's such a big deal or know the significance of the Godel prize - because I think you are not from CS background, or even if you are you probably don't kick ass. So I will discount your comments on CS research cause you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Irrespective of whatever you said, u r led by a man who was born, brought up and educated in India B4 he moved to US. That's the Indian culture for you sir, while you will keep crying yourself hoarse about how terrible India and Indians are, more and more people like Nadella and Pichai and Narayen will quietly come here, "do the needful", step on your shoulders and climb up, while cry babies like you will keep staring up and wonder how did that filthy poor Indian reach there ? With that said, I profess peace now. Not going to comment any more on this thread.
@s2a7 you miss the point completely and I see that you are not willing to get out from behind dogma and think critically. Like it or not, people waiting in a 150 year, or 10 year or 70 year (whatever the projected wait times are these days) backlog and with all the uncertainty that brings can't have a lot of options in their home country. Or they would not wait.... Add to the fact that these are college graduates, some with high skills and you get the picture. Indians would not be 60% of the Emirati population, and be content to never get citizenship, if not for difficulties they face back home to the extent that they have to leave in such large numbers. The list goes on Madagascar, Trinidad etc. To these large populations that have had to leave how has having a few quality higher institutions helped them? Every positive thing you cite seems only accessible to a few, but what about the many? To break it down for you, society is judged by how the weakest and most vulnerable people are treated. What's the welfare of women, children especially orphans and widows. Are police procedures transparent? Can you access government services easily and without needing to bribe. Do low payed government workers create bottle-necks when processing applications because they are disgruntled with their circumstance and there is little personal accountability to motivate them to do the right thing? How about traffic laws, how are they followed? How do drivers treat pedestrians? Are low wage earners treated fairly by their employers simply because it is the right thing to do? What is the trust level in society? People think that western culture is location specific or race specific. It isn't. It is a consequence of trying to improve society. Japan is a very traditional society yet embraces western values. If you think that one's ability to live and thrive in a society is a function of the number of higher institutions of learning then you and I are having very different discussions. Besides, apart from what we say, just looking at the nu the US scores higher on the global human development index than India and so does south africa even. Western or westernized societies in general have higher hdi than none western societies. Why is that? @euchrbdj is right. You have to open your eyes and see things from beyond just your perspective. I grew up in Africa, to à middle class family. I have studied and lived in Europe and now the US. I can live either here or back home and be fine. But this discussion of cultures is not limited to my experience. We must expand it to include the majority.
US is definitely better than my home country, was worth it, but European countries are definitely better than US. US has better burgers, but EU has better healthcare and better cities that are not designed for cars.
The EU is good if you want a comfy life without a lot of ambition. I have a roommate from Norway in college. He later worked in London and New York because he was more ambitious than most Europeans. France is similar.
@MSDo, I was. For a week, until my bicycle was stolen. But I wasn’t a b*tch that doesn’t respect any pedestrians.
I see you work in Booking. Why you share customers bank card details with hotels in open view? Hotel can view it up to 3 times (1 is enough, you know?!). We had to cancel our credit cards 2 times. Thank you for that!
Also, why you spamming my mail with suggestion “do you wanna go to Barcelona?” I’ve been there just week ago, booked on your website, are you kidding me?!
I was born in a village, went to shitty engineering college. I could have never got a job at a hardware company let alone Intel. Feels good man. When I go back I will have good options to choose from for work. Family is proud. Life is tough for open category students in India
Very happy to be in US. As a low caste Indian I don’t feel judged, don’t have to lie when a random person asks my caste, neither do I have to hide it when I am seeking a place to rent. There’s racism in the US but I’ve felt it only twice in 10 years here. Back in India, it was a constant struggle.
@Uber it was true until a few decades ago. Caste-based quotas were intoduced to uplift the lower caste people (because they were poor). But due to those benefits (and also due to the hard work many did) over generations, many lower caste Indians are very rich now.
Not to forget, tuition fees is lower for lower caste people in India.
> But due to those benefits (and also due to the hard work many did) over generations, many lower caste Indians are very rich now.
@uber Yes, many, but still a large majority is relatively poor. Also, the caste discrimination is not an economic class based discrimination. It’s an exclusion from the mainstream society because lower castes are considered impure and filthy (like animals). So even if a lower caste person has money, they’re still debarred and discriminated from participating in the mainstream society.
@microsoft the words and language you use seem to be taken from a sociology textbook published by one of those anti-India academics whose only agenda is to show India as nothing but caste. I doubt you have actually experienced any of what you claim. "Like animals" - this is ridiculous exaggeration and defamation of millions of people. The reality is not just some imaginary "upper caste" vs "lower caste". Even among your so-called lower castes, there is competition to claim higher status. Your so-called upper caste brahmins are only 5% of the population, so is the remaining 95% of the population caste-free? No, even among the so-called lower castes, every caste wants to be above some other caste. Even among the converted Christians and Muslims, there are castes who won't intermarry. So stop blaming vast sections of society for everything. All people want to belong in a community of peers, and that's why caste still exists. Some sort of groupism is always going to exist. Also, please read some history. The strict hierarchy of castes was imposed by the British when they began doing a census. The British system for their own twisted reasons wanted to rank all the castes. There was no inherent "ranking" of communities before the British came to India. So when the British ranked the castes, the different castes opposed it saying they should be placed at higher ranking, because they knew their own high value in society. This was when all the castes were economically independent and wealthy. British rule destroyed a lot of native industries and caused poverty in many castes, and turned them into so-called "lower castes". So if there is any discrimination today, it's because of economic history, not something else.
@microsoft you seem to live in 1950s. I have never bothered to know anyone's caste (I have very poor knowledge of caste based on surnames somehow, maybe because I am from a tier 1 city). But even most people around me don't give a fuck about anyone's caste
For me both feel the same. Graduated from one of the top colleges in India and had ridiculously high salary in Bangalore. More importantly had extremely talented colleagues, some of the best CS talent that India has to offer and very interesting projects to workon. Bachelor life in Bangalore was fcukin awesome when you get to live in 3000sq ft ultra luxury apartments, drive around in an Audi, and date attractive women in fancy restaurants. The things that sucked were traffic, road quality and anything where govt officials were involved (driving license and EPF problems). Now that I am in the US, still somewhat high TC, 3 times the savings in bank compared to India, very interesting and impactful work, amazing roads and clean air. But quality of the average US educated CS grad that we have in our team here is no where close to what I had in India (no offence intended to anyone). This may be due to the poor engineering brand value of Walmart Labs here. Moreover increasingly hostile immigration policies are creating uncertainties around long term life planning. And of course, extremely difficult to find a date!
WalmartLabs india salary structure changed as it grew. The folks who joined during 2012 - 2014 got crazy salary (25L - 30L) and senior engineer designation right out of college. That was followed by super fast promotions to staff engineer in around 2 years time. Avg annual increment of 10% and promotions we're 20%. Then Walmart stocks crashed around 2015 and to retain talent India rsu grants were more than doubled.
"Some people think when a word is spelled correctly but used incorrectly, that is a spelling mistake. I disagree. If a person intended to use a different word, but through a spelling misstep used another word which happens to be spelled correctly, that is a grammar mistake my friend."
In the beginning, it was all rosy and great, but then the loneliness hits. You will have many friends, but it feels all pretentious. If you move back, invest money for long term guaranteed returns and make sure you don’t have to pay house loans and car loans in India. If you have a house to live in and a good car to drive, with no loans to fret about and some money in the bank, you are all set to a comfortable living in India.
What about Children education? What about Job security? IT Companies in India fixed developers/consultant/QA max experience to 15yrs and after that they are firing them... At least in USA, companies offer jobs without considering age until 50
A lot of work needs to be done in order to prove you’re going to add value to America before you can get an interview at the embassy. I had to have lawyers prepare documents for me to take with me and had a long wait before I knew what was going on.
I was just looking at getting a Visa in Australia and it seems pretty hard there too, unless a company sponsors you. I don't have enough engineering experience, without a cs degree, to get a Visa just for a valuable skillset.
I'm a European immigrant, I find the us and especially California a mixed bag. Professionally I'm getting opportunities I would never get but lifestyle sucks big time and the cities are all terrible and zoned by complete fucking morons.
Austin has the same issues, horrible traffic, no public transportation, no free places to congregate and hang out, no nightlife to speak of for folks that are older than 20... Much more to say but the morons in this community are too immature to understand why those things matter.
I think, the problem is as an Indian, we want to come to the US, stay here, enjoy... But, want to follow everything that we used to do in India. Such as, we still will go to Indian Restaurants when going out for lunch/dinner. We still want Indian community while looking for a home or rent. We still want to apply those things on our children too.
If you want to stay here, better you go with the local culture. Mix with local people, learn their festivals too! Try to live like them. Try to enjoy like them, try to be a part of their society. Then, you probably will enjoy.
However, no matter how many years we are gonna stay here, even though we left India, 'Indian' won't leave us.
So, enjoy till you're here. And, enjoy even more once you go back to your country.
My story: Came here thru a Consulting Comp: 75K Changed once: 125K Current Comp: 200K Joining a Tech next week: 300+K I struggled to come here. But, within 3 years, it's paying me back!
@Daedalus, it's easy for Germans to assimilate because American culture is predominantly built from German, English and Italian cultures. Most of the food is based on German and Italian cuisine. Think beer, sausage, steak, cakes, pies, pizza, pasta, all kinds of cured meats, etc. It's always going to be easier for a European today to assimilate in America because America was built and settled by Europeans so American culture is predominantly European culture. So it's not the same situation for an Asian or Indian person. A European doesn't have to give up most of his culture to assimilate in America but an Asian or Indian has to give up a big part of their own culture to assimilate in America. Of course different people have different levels of attachment to their birth culture.
But that’s not what history shows. Germans were highly visible prior to WW1. They’re not anymore because they invested into farming instead of the Italians who conquered politics. You’ll not find German-Americans stating such, but how many proud Italian-Americans do you know?
Personally, I’ve never been a proud German but a proud European, but immigration is a blitch and I’m struggling here with my subconscious that’s holding on to more Germanness than I want.
They may have been identified only if they spoke German or had an accent. But in mainstream America, they're not "visible" while doing things that Americans do like in their food for example. That's because American food is pretty much based on German, Italian and Irish food. And physical appearance completely masks any perceived difference. Can you pick out a German guy in a crowd of American guys?
Yes, I usually can visibly and behaviorally. It doesn’t seem obvious to you, but the cultural differences are quite stark and I’m very attuned to Germans. All I’m saying is that if you come here, try to assimilate. It’s the same for Turkish immigrants in Germany. Most hang out within their previous cultural realm, but some really try to assimilate into the country, and over time it really goes a long way. And heck, these cultures are quite different.
There is a theory why northern American look white and southern American look Indian. That is because wealth was in a few richest families hands in South America. Poor men had to marry colored women. rich white families married among themselves but there were so few of them.
What am trying to say is, Americans will look like Indians much sooner than you expect, thanks to the widening wealth gap. So what you’re talking about will soon be obsolet
If you have a loving extended family and amazing opportunity for your skills and most importantly, you are content with subpar lifestyle, india is good. If you want opportunity, convenience and value for your work US is the way to go. Think with head: choose US, Think with heart: Choose India
It’s great for everyone except Indians and Chinese who have very long green card wait times. Americans are the most hospitable people by and large. Beautiful country with beautiful people. If you have a STEM degree only sky is the limit for what you can accomplish here.
But when I go visit my parents in my home country and see friends I understand that I don’t belong there anymore. US changes people, in a good way for me, you learn to say no in a nutshell and care more about what you want, not your SO and mom, back home is just a narcissistic paradise.
If I ever move out it will be to Europe, not my home country.
Let the past go and look into the future. It seems that you are still tied to your previous life. I moved here when I was 24, I avoided the my country community which eventually brought me to local community. I also do sport and I think it helped me to integrate into local communities a lot.
Why are tech workers so entitled and unhappy? We easily make the most out of every new grad position and yet I find many people still complaining and comparing themselves to others.
I’m a first generation American and my entire community consists of immigrants who came here from the Caribbean/South America, and we are all grateful to live here. Almost all of my friends and their parents are not engineers, make really low pay compared to us, and yet are still incredibly happy and thankful for the opportunities to live here. Yes, they’re still dealing with the same problems as everyone else with getting their visas and green cards.
America was a country founded on immigrants, but not those who shit on the soil they’re living in and complain about leaving - they dealt with problems with hard sacrifice and made the country a better place for the next generation.
@ca8jvx I agree. I used to work a blue collar job with many South Americans who would have 3 jobs 6 kids no car and still manage to make it to work every day, kick ass and never complain. They’re just happy to be in a better situation than they would’ve been at home. To them the definition of success is getting here, surviving and taking care of their family
@capital g it’s a symbiotic relationship. You still need them to drive for Uber. You’re no better than them and they are no better than you. We all need each other in order to keep this country running.
I found Indians are the biggest racists. Americans seem least racists to me. My colleagues and friends from other countries state the same. It is ironic since they are the most disgruntled people against whites and speak trash towards whites citing them as racists yet they discriminate against non Indians the most.
Non of the option is appropriate. It is all depend on situation and the position in your career.
If entry level I would say working in USA is better. As India pay structure is very low for entry level(1/6 of usa pay scale). Although expenditure is less(1/3 of usa cost of living). From usa you can do multiple trips to India in a year.
If mid or higher up level, then India is much better then USA. You have good salary package(1/2 of usa salary) and expenditure is still (1/3 of USA's cost of living). Note, in your mid life, if you have little assets like rental income and own living space in India, then expenditure will reduce to 1/4 of USA's cost of living. You can gain better in India then USA. As you have close family support, reduced travel cost, better education with competitive advantage, cheap home services like maid, cleaner, driver etc. Live like king feeling with little spending.
It was absolutely worth it. I never wanted to move to the US, and it happened rather incidentally, but I don't think I will ever consider moving back to where I came from.
Being surrounded by people from so many countries, with so many different views, who are open to communicate, teach and learn, is such a great gift. I come from Europe and I don't think I could live there again happily. My perception of cultures and views changed too much.
I think people who come to the US and are unhappy are mainly those who come with wrong expectations. There are lots of immigrants who don't want to assimilate, learn other people's views, and who keep living in a local community surrounded by people from the country of their origin and communicate mainly with those, who thought that they would make more money in America, etc.
I personally could be richer where I was born and raised, live a more luxurious life style, and deal only with the folks of my culture and language. But those are things I care little for, and the opportunity to meet new people, learn different perspectives, how to compromise, and so on, happens to be much more important to me.
I was a MS student and worked for 2 and half years of OPT. US university education from a good/awesome university is definitely worth the money and pays back.
I also got a diverse experience in working in diverse domains in a short span of time.
But Bangalore is also huge and almost all medium and large scale valley companies have a sizeable presence and pay awesome.
So yeah stay 5 yrs, learn and lead and live in Bangalore.
The fact is most if not all Indians are or were economic refugees. We ventured out since our economic situation till late 2005 was pretty bad with limited opportunities but this has changed dramatically in 14 yrs. Now buying a one way ticket to US is no longer the game in town.
So if u stay in US great, if u come back also great!
I moved to the US much later in life. Lived there for two years and then had to move back to india. Bangalore is surprisingly good in terms of tech culture and pay. And the added benefit of being with family. Given a choice i would live in the US in a heart beat: i had excellent time with good opportunity and money and social life. But india has also been excellent and much different than when i left just few years back.
1000% yes. Even though nobody on either side of the border believes it, the quality of life in America is just way, way better than Canada. Higher pay, cheaper rent, lower taxes. Groceries are cheaper and there's way, way more variety. Roads are bigger and faster and nicer. Flying is actually affordable. I don't have to suffer through 3 months of -40 temperatures. Health care is dramatically better (and since I have a job what pays for insurance, cheaper too!).
The only real downsides of living here that aren't present back home are the ones intrinsic to my work status. Border guards can ruin my life if they're having a bad day. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars into social security / medicare / etc but by law can never use it. That sort of thing. But overall, it is much much better here.
I met so many people from different countries with different cultures. Made a lot of new friends who will probably be life long friends. Traveled around with a different perspective. Picked up hobbies I would never have imagined back home. I anyway visited my parents 2 times a year while I was home and now I visit once-twice a year from USA . I also prefer spending small amounts of time more often with them. You might have a different opinion and experience. But i feel if you are open minded and have made friends outside your nationality, you would see it differently.
There are always pros and cons. US is not exactly what I expected it to be. But it is still one of the best countries to migrate to. It is definitely very underwhelming for tech workers; because, you know, most software engineers are used to very comfortable life. Life in US is not comfortable. Then getting house, healthcare and raring child is significantly more challenging in US. In pro side though, quality of healthcare (if you can pay for it) is good in US, whereas in South Asia -- you cannot get it (unless you go to Singapore). Quality of pre-university education is shit in US though, especially in most public school; too much focus on athletics and not much on science and math. But, if you are willing to pay for it, you can get good science and math education for your kids. From SA, we are used to get beaten to learn science and math.
In pro side, you can work at companies like Google or Microsoft or in any of those cool startups. In India you have them, but do you get to work on same kind of stuff? IDK (I'm not from India).
Also, you can get good post-grad education (MS or PhD) in US. That is a huge pro. + College is good to (if you can afford it or get scholarship).
I know I am upset with what US can offer to me, but given the same choice again, I'd decide to move to US again. I know it is significantly bad for people from India, as they may often have remain chained to a underpaying job for many years until they can get a green card.