Was it worth it to leave your home and come to USA?

ServiceNow / Engworkhater
Feb 25 429 Comments

I am from India and do not find it worth it. Considering to move back

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    • Amazon hello_DS
      Just shut the fuck up
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft / EngFuccbat
      Maybe they're unsure due to xenophobic asshats like yourself
      Feb 26
    • Cisco rXeU48
      You're welcome for the billions tax dollars.
      Feb 26
    • Google hatsud00
      Lol boy got rekt
      Feb 26
    • Facebook GFown
      Stfu yooooolo.
      Feb 26
    • Amazon / EngKHCr70
      Cant take it when someone doesnt think the US is the best place in the world? Lol
      Feb 26
    • Wells Fargo yyNq22
      No one cares about your comment. Thank you next next .
      Feb 26
    • Wells Fargo yyNq22
      Oh sorry forgot to tell ur an idiot as well.
      Feb 26
    • Nvidia
      420_Blaze

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      420_Blazemore
      I'm an Iraq vet and will clearly take anyone of these "job stealers" over your dumbass anyday bruh
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Nobody cares if you want or don't want us. We will be here regardless. 🙂
      Feb 26
  • Bain & Company ioAl18
    US kinda sucks man, everything is set up to make it hard for immigrants. Why not go to a country like Australi or Canada that welcome immigrants.. Considering a move like that, better for my family..
    Feb 2521
    • Facebook person52
      Some people enjoy playing on harder difficulties.
      Feb 26
    • Tesla / EngmrDonald
      lol. US has ones of the easiest immigration policies.
      Good luck to sneak into a Canada if you are over 35 and don’t have a Canadian degree 😆
      Feb 26
    • eBay / EngNobuddy
      Other countries don't make it easy for Americana either. It's not America that's the problem. The whole idea of immigration is difficult.
      Feb 26
    • Zillow Group ayyyyyLma0
      Coming from India, America is the best country ever and if you disagree you're lying to yourself
      Feb 26
    • Expedia hnAy18
      Then your TC sucks in these countries
      Feb 26
    • Chase qoSz07
      yoooooolo nobody needs you to explain an obvious right someone know they have. It looks stupid actually.
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft leet_away
      I can’t believe no one mentioned this but beside better paying tech jobs the US has another big value proposition: personal liberty. In every other country the government is far reaching in its control over individuals. I came for the TC and stayed for the ideals that the US stands for.
      Feb 27
    • Lending Club kviL74
      Don’t forget US was immigrant welcoming country back in the days. Canada and Australia or any other country will stop taking immigrants once they feel they have achieved what they need.
      Feb 27
    • Marvell 8gu
      Amen @leet_away!
      Feb 28
    • Intel orient
      Leet_away Family courts in USA are ridiculously overcontrolling. Wait until you need to go to courts.
      Mar 2
  • Google 3743676
    Yup. I would have hardly made 5 lac per annum in India. Was from a shitty college.

    Turned my life around during Master's.

    Now at Google. 300k TC. I never even dreamed of it, while in undergrad.
    I bought my parents a 2500 sq ft flat for 2.5 crores. Cash down.
    I can finally think about myself now. Chase my dreams.
    Feb 2523
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      Lol sure @whatsnew -HMU
      Feb 26
    • Lol I wish you best, OP.
      Feb 26
    • Amazon yox
      Now Kith
      Feb 26
    • Amazon / Engphrahuthkd
      Earlier you were stupid, now you are rich stupid. Wasting 2.5 crores on a flat in India. Should have found better investment.
      Feb 26
    • Nvidia
      420_Blaze

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      Feb 26
    • New PDlz68
      I want to get invited to this wedding lol
      Feb 26
    • VMware roger2018
      @phrahuthkd You for sure are stupid as you missed the context. OP bought the house for parents, not as an investment. Besides, depending on the location, it might be a good financial decision considering all the 20% + people here who make decide to go back.
      Feb 26
    • Intuit ZeroSnark
      You are a good son/daughter
      Feb 26
    • Pls invite me too
      Feb 26
    • All blinders are welcome!
      Feb 26
  • Facebook quuuuuuux
    Back home I was poor and lonely. I’m now rich and lonely. It’s an improvement.
    Feb 263
    • Cisco / Engekdamkadak
      Lol
      Feb 26
    • Amazon / EngKHCr70
      You could always get hitched. Then you'll be married and poor
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft hotsteppa
      When crying, it's better to cry in a Ferrari
      Feb 26
  • I don't find it worth, planning to move back next year.
    Feb 2517
    • I am not sure why you miss food. There are so many restaurants and tiffin services around in all major cities. But I hate the part that I have to cook by myself.
      Feb 25
    • Microsoft fofx
      How many years did u stay in the us? Including your studies!
      Planning on returning myself
      Feb 26
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      @fofx -almost been 4 years. Planning to stay 2 more years
      Feb 26
    • Amazon / Eng
      mr cool

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      mr coolmore
      Don't be too ecstatic about us leaving @yooloo, you won't get any jobs that will be left when we leave, coz you are incapable of doing the smart work that we do.
      Feb 26
    • Why another 2 years OP? If you don't like it here, why waste any time?
      Feb 26
    • No one mentioned freedom .... freedom to start my own business .... I can’t right now on a h1b and its slowly killing my urge
      Feb 26
    • Cisco / Engyohellow
      I bet you won't move back. I have many friends staying this since many years none has actually done it.
      Feb 26
    • Bloomberg Ivli45
      I know bunch of people who made a move back to india and people who are in transition phase to move back. For job, startup, family etc
      Feb 26
    • EMC YDRJ12
      Why not this year
      Feb 26
    • Amazon iHoH47
      Two years is a tricky thing. Every two years you keep thinking two more years and then you end up staying forever. I know a bunch of people who ended up that way.
      Feb 26
  • New / Engsparked
    Needs 🍿option
    Feb 250
  • Amazon EzYE14
    Bye bye!
    Feb 2512
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      @ezye14 The visa is called h1b. You’re thinking of the flu virus which is h1n1.
      Feb 25
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      I am not whining. Just asking what others think. Someone in the same boat may get some help from this post
      Feb 25
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      So I have been away from the homeland so long I no longer fit in there. I wouldn’t mind living in SE Asia though. The culture is similar to home. Not such a brutal culture.
      No place is perfect however every place has its pluses and minuses.
      Feb 25
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      @Nutanix - same here, I love Singapore
      Feb 25
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      There are other lower cost places like Jakarta, Bangkok, KL, Manila also which have decent standard of living.
      Feb 25
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      I think the best thing about Silicon Valley and the tech industry in general is that you get to work with the smartest minds in the world.
      This is something you cannot find anywhere. Not Bangalore, not China, not SE Asia, not Australia not Canada.
      Every time I visit those places I feel like I’m surrounded by dumbasses. Yes I realize this is very arrogant of me.
      Feb 25
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      @ezye14 yes it was pretty funny.
      I think OP is weighing their options. Not whining per se.
      Feb 25
    • Intel UGeJ58
      ^^What's this about stupid Americans?
      Feb 26
    • So you were a dumbass and became smart after migrating ?
      Feb 26
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      @ugej58 no foo’ I was actually saying exactly the opposite.
      @bagsy you could say that. I think being around smart people in the Bay Area has definitely made me smarter than I would have been otherwise.
      Feb 26
  • Microsoft !MSFT
    OP - I think you need few more options in the poll.

    Been in the US for few years, so for me;

    Was it Worth it - Definitely yes, amazing experience, so much to learn, job satisfaction, opportunity to work with smartest folks in the industry, made and am making lot of money. Wouldn't have gotten most of this otherwise.

    Will staying be worth say few years from now? Likely not. - By then I Would have made enough money than I'd ever need for my lifestyle, would've gained technical skills that I wouldn't have gained otherwise, parents would be old and would be a good time to go back to take care of them, would have an opportunity to raise kids in India ingraineing the values in them, can live a rich lifestyle in India, can celebrate all festivals back.home, would not miss food.

    There are pros and cons everywhere. You choose what's best for you at every stage in life.

    And be grateful for what you have!

    YMMV. Good luck!
    Feb 257
    • New / Engsparked
      But in America you can instill whatever values you want! You can even instill them all!
      Feb 25
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      I love your reply
      Feb 25
    • Microsoft !MSFT
      That's true, you can. However you are not the only one instilling values. Environment plays an important role. The environment is different. Neighbors, teachers, friends play an equally important role there.
      Feb 25
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      What options you need me to add?
      Feb 25
    • New / Engsparked
      @MS definitely, I was just being a troll; I’m glad you’re enjoying your time in the US and wish you the best wherever you go
      Feb 25
    • Nutanix hmbsjc1
      These days in the big cities Indian values are worse than Hollywood values. In that respect I think a suburban life in US is better.
      Feb 25
    • Microsoft !MSFT
      @ServiceNow :

      Maybe something like:

      WasWorth-MovingBack
      Was!Worth-MovingBack
      WasWorth-!MovingBack
      Was!Worth-!MovingBack
      Citizen
      Troll :)
      Feb 25
  • Microsoft ZeissZa
    I’m making 99 percentile house hold income but still cannot afford best education, and housing for my children. Not sure what my children’s life will be without my skill and income. My older cousin was sick in my home country. He literally lived in hospital for two decades. He was fine because the public healthcare and support from relatives (whose annual income was less than my weekly income). If I get the same sickness here, I will likely be homeless and die very soon after it. With such tragedy, his wife didn’t divorce him, they didn’t bankrupt, still having money to support their kid to study in US.
    Feb 268
    • AIG / Product
      Raging

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      Go to Toronto, dude
      Feb 26
    • Salesforce / EngpRtz42
      There are always better schools, better houses. If you're in the 1% and can't figure out how to send your kids to good schools or live in a nice house that's a problem, but my guess is you just have the same biases all Americans do - you're doing very well, there's just always someone above you.

      The healthcare issue is a big one, your points there are all good. It's really something we need to improve. On the other hand, being rich insulates you from it dramatically.
      Feb 27
    • Oath silentab
      The question is are you 99 percentile in the local market ? Being in Bay Area or New York and making 99 percentile won't be enough, it's just the cost of living has risen along with your peers making similar amount of money. If you are in 99 percentile and living in Texas, Florida, mid west or some other place with not as cost of living. You will see the difference.
      Feb 27
    • eBay Yeah Bruh
      Obviously the positives outweigh the negatives correct? Or is there another reason you are here?
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft mimes
      I think he is here because all the down sides are probability, not certainty or reality. He could have career development so he can afford his dream home. He could have smart kids who beat all the legacy and PC competitors and finish Harvard by 20 without expensive private schools. He may never get long term ill until his late 90s. Economic system, affirmative action and healthcare system won’t be always on his side, but what if he has luck and perfect gene:)
      Feb 27
    • Adobe CodeCircus
      Find a company where you can work remotely. There are plenty of wonderful places in the US that aren’t on the coasts.
      Feb 27
    • Google blazerrun
      Wouldn't employer given isnsurance cover everything after u reach out of pocket?
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft mimes
      you will lose your job if you are long term ill. My former manager didn’t even want the company to know his blood pressure.
      Feb 27
  • Google
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    Well, somebody wanted to murder my father and rob our family in 1990 in our home country. We had some rough times starting all over in the states. Sometimes I feel like I’ve lived two lives: before emigration and after.

    Dad’s still alive. I have a new life. Have to be grateful.
    Feb 268
    • Facebook tGTv63
      What country is that?
      Feb 27
    • MGM Resorts joTz32
      Canada
      Feb 27
    • Amazon KumquatK
      One of the post soviet republics would be my guess
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft mimes
      sounds like South Africa
      Feb 28
    • Marvell 8gu
      🍿
      Feb 28
    • Google
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      Pakistan
      Feb 28
    • Facebook iamreal
      Do you feel like doing something for Pakistan and feel disconnected from the 1st world problems here?
      Mar 2
    • Google
      JpWt88

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      I feel no allegiance to a country that would condone marginalizing people from my background and persecuting us. And yes, I have very little sympathy for all if the snowflakes who don’t know what real life is like.
      Mar 5
  • Metromile CGks70
    It depends how old you are. If you have 8 years of experience, family, kids and you the only 1 person working definitely not.
    Financially If you are from lower middle class then it's worth coming(This is me, i would have defenitely not earned this much if i was in India), you would miss family, friends and events,so weigh your options.
    Here they have some kind of events, celebrations but you dont feel as in India.
    Even the food, they say you get good food in bay area, you don't really get that level of spicy and taste.
    You will have luxury life but nothing else.
    Feb 2630
    • New Egypt80
      Legal business and exploitation are mutually exclusive, as I'm sure you are well aware.
      Under British rule, exploitation of the colonies was legal.
      Feb 27
    • New Egypt80
      @euchrbdj you are exactly correct. Developing country migrants from upper middle class come here and compare ourselves to lower middle class Americans.
      You who has 5 generations of college graduates come here and compare yourself to someone who is the first in his family to go to college. That they can do that is a testament to the simple fact that they are in an economy that has expanded sufficiently to accommodate their aspirations.
      You can't use your experience to extrapolate to others. Open your eyes to the issues way too much of your country men face.
      India has a great culture perhaps but there is also a reason India exports most of its talent. All that youth and creative energy is being used to benefit other économies. Why is that?
      Accepting the hard truths and flaws will ensure that future generations potentially live a better life.
      US culture and western culture did not become this way overnight. You can tell that they learned from their mistakes and tried hard to build a decent society, this is why you came here.
      On the one hand you are benefitting from the culture that that hard work has produced and on the other hand you deny its existence.
      Feb 27
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      It's funny how people who have no clue about India try to comment about India and her issues. It's ok if you are enamored with the American culture, but it's not if you try to use your limited knowledge to interpret the socio economic dynamics of another country and make ignorant comments. If You think the fraction of Indians you see in the US is "all of India's youth and creative energy" I advise you not to embarrass yourself any further by displaying an alarming deficiency of statistical and quantitative aptitude. Also please don't try to assume why I m here - it has nothing to do with the American culture - it's because I was asked to which in turn was because few here can do what I can and I m paid handsomely for it. Yes America is a developed country with amazing infrastructure but so are many countries in Europe but most can't even pay me in Euros what I used to earn in INR. So it's only about the economy, friend. You will understand what I am saying today if the USD ever depreciates considerably wrt INR. Anyways, i don't understand why is it so difficult to accept that not all Indians you see around yourself are your usual GC seeking H1B holder. Some here value their Indian roots more than the American dream, are in for a short term and look forward to returning to India at the end of their tenure.
      Feb 27
    • New Egypt80
      When I talk about Indian youth and creative energy, I don't mean the US. You know that.
      I'm talking about ksa, sa, uae, the uk, Australia... The list goes on.
      India sends the most immigrant workers, both white collar and low skilled, than any other country in the world. Even your pm has said/encouraged as much. If you say it's because of population then think China. Then think at the gains China has made because of being able to retain its talent.
      I don't say these things to diss India... Quite the opposite. In terms of geo-political importance, India is punching well below its weight.
      You think that at the rate of Indian migration and focus of India that the world does not have a sense of what Indian society is like?
      I'm African, we grew up with Indians. We have Indian companies. The same 'legal' exploitative practices they have on my continent, they have here. Likewise the same energy and desire to succeed of regular Indians is the same everywhere.
      Culture is destiny.
      My contrast to western civilization is not only focused on India. It can be extended to other places.
      Recognizing where you are and where you need to be is a good thing.
      Recognizing success in others will enable you find success for yourself.
      It's your choice to admit or not, that the fact that you are able to work here successfully, and be treated well, is because of the society that exists here.
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft euchrbdj
      Walmart, we are not saying ALL Indians are like this or that. We understand some Indians come to this country temporarily just for the job. But you gotta realize the reality - so many complaints about GC queue is an example. I get that Indian culture is great and people are happy in India and they despise American culture and software engineers are relatively paid well and will save much money. I get that you in particular were so talented and got paid very well in India, and you didn’t come here voluntarily. But if you can’t see the truth and are not willing to look into the reality objectively, there cannot be any discussion. What you said about India can be said at many other developing countries. Vietnam has similar GDP and they have incredible work ethic and the mindset to survive. They even defeated US, France and China. Who else can claim this? Iran has such a colorful history and culture with beautiful Persian culture.

      I have been to India. My colleague described India reminds of his home country - South Africa. To me, China is messy despite the recent economic growth. But China looks like a futuristic country compared to India. I could hardly walk due to so many holes on the street. I could see that tech workers are living a good life there. But most of unlucky people were eating in dust, smoking everywhere, dogs were wandering without owners or leash, people look like they took a shower more than a month ago. Basically homeless people in US look like having a better life than 98% of the people in India. I talked with many Indian friends and some have strong pride and some see the reality.

      US culture looks bad to you but you gotta realize foreign culture looks bad all the time - partly because it is different than yours not because it is inferior.

      India is divided into classes and most of upper middle class (majority of Indians in tech) didn’t have a chance to experience what middle class life is. When you talk about middle class, you should talk about the average Indian families but you hardly had a chance to even go to college together. This is the trap many Indians (and some Chinese) fall into due to strong national pride.

      You think race, nation and culture defines the country. While this is true, level of economic maturity has the strongest correlation. Think about Marslow level. When you don’t solve hunger problem, you can’t even think about culture. When economy goes up to certain level, the country becomes surprisingly similar to western countries. Literally everything. Dating culture is one such example. Exposure to sex in early age is another one. Japan for example is more open than most of European countries. Even amongst European countries, countries with lower economic status is more conservative and resembles Asian countries of similar economic status. Russians are very close to Chinese for example in terms of people’s mindset.

      India has a great potential. It has had high growth for years but it doesn’t improve GDP per capita much because of extremely high birth rate. When denominator become larger, the greater change is needed to improve the lives of people in general.
      Feb 27
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      @Egypt80 - Like I said, you have no clue about India in general. Don't take it heart brother, but Your home country may not have anything to boast about, but my home country has. We have academic institutions who are more selective than many of the best you know here; institutions where top tech, analytics and investment banking companies around the world line up with foreign offers. The entrance exams to our top colleges and civil services consistently rank amongst the most difficult exams in the world. We have Noble laureates in the field of physics economics literature etc. We have one of the most fascinating space programs in the world that companies from developed Nations use to launch their satellites. India is the most multicultural and multilingual society anywhere on the planet. I can go on and on. Point is you haven't seen even a fraction of the youth and talent of India by growing up with a handful of Indians or looking at foreign Indian workers. Therefore America may be heaven for you brother, but I have a lot to look forward to back home.
      Feb 27
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      @euchrbdj or whatever your handle is - don't spend so much energy and time in convincing me friend, you can't. You have experienced the dusty streets and dogs and "dirty people of India". I don't take offense with your descriptions because India is too huge for you to experience the most expensive home on the planet (antilla), the sprawling neighborhoods of Delhi Mumbai Bangalore or the breath taking views of the mountains and valleys. We have different experiences and hence different opinions about India and her people. I really don't care much about what you think, I think you should do the same. On a lighter note, in case you haven't noticed we have graduated from exporting consultants to exporting beauty (Priyanka Chopra) and she's already taking over ;)
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft euchrbdj
      Yeah keep living in bubble and maintain your racist superiority mindset that Indians are better than Egyptians and Americans etc. Just don’t say you are better than Hitler or KKK. BTW, your brilliant engineers don’t even have a single company whose brand name or product is known to the world. Norway and Finland has less than 1% of population compared to India yet they have software companies that sell software people use.

      There is not a single university ranked at top 200 in CS research from India. I think Cairo or American university in Egypt may publish more reputable papers than IIT. I had a meeting with college professors and phd students in India’s MIT in Bangalore and the buildings were something of crime riddled Detroit. Bangalore’s recently built airport is not even at the scale of the airports in mid size city in US. Traffic is nightmare where there are not even car lanes and cars drive towards each others. It is an outlaw city.

      Also citing rich neighborhoods doesn’t mean much. Do you know what it means? Wealth is unevenly distributed. India has so many billionaires and the numbers are close to China. However, overall GDP is less than 1/4 of China. That means wealth distribution is far worse than China. Greedy people who don’t care about lives of average people.

      Yes India has beautiful nature and I have no problem admitting that. Yes India had some of the most influential people like Ghandi. Yes many Indian people are nice. But it seems many Indians in US think similarly to Chinese who are brain washed to believe oppression of free speech is fine. How could you not see what everyone sees? I am fine if these people didn’t insult anyone but they are hiring friends wives and promoting own people (just like we saw from your Indian superiority mindset) and keep preaching how racist white people are while Indians are the biggest racists (not even close to second). There are top many extreme far right Indians who care only about their people.
      Feb 28
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      @e...j - You seem to be talking in front of a mirror as the only racist I find is you. Unlike you I am not expressing disgust towards another country, I m just explaining to you how ignorant you are about India. While your sole purpose is being anti Indian, my purpose is being anti ignorance. For example about Indian product companies - I bet you don't know about Flipkart ($17Billion ) and all other ~ 5 6 different unicorns, I bet u don't know how soft bank and other VCs are pouring millions into the next start up hotbed that is India. I also wont blame you if you haven't heard of AKS primality test or even understand why it's such a big deal or know the significance of the Godel prize - because I think you are not from CS background, or even if you are you probably don't kick ass. So I will discount your comments on CS research cause you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Irrespective of whatever you said, u r led by a man who was born, brought up and educated in India B4 he moved to US. That's the Indian culture for you sir, while you will keep crying yourself hoarse about how terrible India and Indians are, more and more people like Nadella and Pichai and Narayen will quietly come here, "do the needful", step on your shoulders and climb up, while cry babies like you will keep staring up and wonder how did that filthy poor Indian reach there ? With that said, I profess peace now. Not going to comment any more on this thread.
      Feb 28
    • New Egypt80
      @s2a7 you miss the point completely and I see that you are not willing to get out from behind dogma and think critically.
      Like it or not, people waiting in a 150 year, or 10 year or 70 year (whatever the projected wait times are these days) backlog and with all the uncertainty that brings can't have a lot of options in their home country. Or they would not wait....
      Add to the fact that these are college graduates, some with high skills and you get the picture.
      Indians would not be 60% of the Emirati population, and be content to never get citizenship, if not for difficulties they face back home to the extent that they have to leave in such large numbers.
      The list goes on Madagascar, Trinidad etc. To these large populations that have had to leave how has having a few quality higher institutions helped them?
      Every positive thing you cite seems only accessible to a few, but what about the many?
      To break it down for you, society is judged by how the weakest and most vulnerable people are treated.
      What's the welfare of women, children especially orphans and widows.
      Are police procedures transparent? Can you access government services easily and without needing to bribe. Do low payed government workers create bottle-necks when processing applications because they are disgruntled with their circumstance and there is little personal accountability to motivate them to do the right thing? How about traffic laws, how are they followed? How do drivers treat pedestrians? Are low wage earners treated fairly by their employers simply because it is the right thing to do?
      What is the trust level in society?
      People think that western culture is location specific or race specific. It isn't. It is a consequence of trying to improve society. Japan is a very traditional society yet embraces western values.
      If you think that one's ability to live and thrive in a society is a function of the number of higher institutions of learning then you and I are having very different discussions.
      Besides, apart from what we say, just looking at the nu the US scores higher on the global human development index than India and so does south africa even. Western or westernized societies in general have higher hdi than none western societies. Why is that?
      @euchrbdj is right. You have to open your eyes and see things from beyond just your perspective.
      I grew up in Africa, to à middle class family. I have studied and lived in Europe and now the US. I can live either here or back home and be fine. But this discussion of cultures is not limited to my experience. We must expand it to include the majority.
      Feb 28
  • Google arUb75
    US is definitely better than my home country, was worth it, but European countries are definitely better than US. US has better burgers, but EU has better healthcare and better cities that are not designed for cars.
    Feb 258
    • Amazon AT-33!
      Oh yeah, move to Amsterdam and you’ll sick of this bicycles and crazy bicyclists in a couple months.
      Feb 26
    • Facebook JWpK27
      You mispeled hours
      Feb 26
    • Elementum tc0rgtfo
      EU is boring af
      Feb 26
    • Salesforce MorningLad
      And you won't have a single dutch friend.
      Feb 26
    • Booking.com MSDo
      @AT-33! on the contrary, you’ll experience bliss as you become one of them :)

      (cyclists, not Dutch)
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft BudLight
      EU is not work friendly.
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft whymsft
      The EU is good if you want a comfy life without a lot of ambition. I have a roommate from Norway in college. He later worked in London and New York because he was more ambitious than most Europeans. France is similar.
      Feb 26
    • Amazon AT-33!
      @MSDo, I was. For a week, until my bicycle was stolen. But I wasn’t a b*tch that doesn’t respect any pedestrians.

      I see you work in Booking. Why you share customers bank card details with hotels in open view? Hotel can view it up to 3 times (1 is enough, you know?!). We had to cancel our credit cards 2 times. Thank you for that!

      Also, why you spamming my mail with suggestion “do you wanna go to Barcelona?” I’ve been there just week ago, booked on your website, are you kidding me?!
      Feb 26
  • Intel s67kfbd
    I was born in a village, went to shitty engineering college. I could have never got a job at a hardware company let alone Intel. Feels good man. When I go back I will have good options to choose from for work. Family is proud. Life is tough for open category students in India
    Feb 253
    • Nutanix / Eng
      3*h

      NutanixEng

      PRE
      Nutanix, Cisco
      3*hmore
      The options you mention are not for arranged marriage right ?
      Feb 26
    • Intel s67kfbd
      Lol no. I am already married. Talking about companies to choose from.
      Feb 26
    • Intel s67kfbd
      Updated my comment
      Feb 26
  • Google tGtt04
    On behalf of the next generation: I am very grateful to my parents for making the leap.
    Feb 251
    • eBay wDPv87
      I am so happy to see this comment. At least first generation sacrifices will make someone happy!
      Feb 26
  • Google / Eng
    prodaccess

    GoogleEng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    prodaccessmore
    Yes. It was a life changing move for me and my family. We should become US citizens next year and we are not looking back.
    Feb 259
    • Google 3743676
      How long was the wait for GC?
      Feb 25
    • Google / Eng
      prodaccess

      GoogleEng

      BIO
      Top Contributor or GTFO
      prodaccessmore
      7 months (EB-1B)
      Feb 25
    • Google 3743676
      Manager?
      Feb 25
    • Google / Eng
      prodaccess

      GoogleEng

      BIO
      Top Contributor or GTFO
      prodaccessmore
      Nope.
      Feb 25
    • Google 3743676
      O1 category?
      Feb 25
    • Google / Eng
      prodaccess

      GoogleEng

      BIO
      Top Contributor or GTFO
      prodaccessmore
      First O1 then EB-1.
      Feb 25
    • Google 3743676
      Cool
      Feb 25
    • Microsoft / Eng
      funkuup

      MicrosoftEng

      PRE
      Valve Corporation
      BIO
      A software engineer passionate and involved in open-source development. Also music is AMAZING
      funkuupmore
      Congratulations
      Feb 26
    • Intuit ZeroSnark
      Welcome! True Americans love immigrants :)
      Feb 26
  • Microsoft bh5!55$!78
    Very happy to be in US. As a low caste Indian I don’t feel judged, don’t have to lie when a random person asks my caste, neither do I have to hide it when I am seeking a place to rent. There’s racism in the US but I’ve felt it only twice in 10 years here. Back in India, it was a constant struggle.
    Feb 269
    • Uber
      p4pd

      Uber

      PRE
      Google, VMware
      p4pdmore
      I was told only high caste Indians can afford the college tuition. So it is not true?
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft bh5!55$!78
      College is not as expensive in India as it is in US. And some lower castes folks aren’t dirt poor either.
      Feb 26
    • @Uber it was true until a few decades ago. Caste-based quotas were intoduced to uplift the lower caste people (because they were poor). But due to those benefits (and also due to the hard work many did) over generations, many lower caste Indians are very rich now.

      Not to forget, tuition fees is lower for lower caste people in India.
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft bh5!55$!78
      > But due to those benefits (and also due to the hard work many did) over generations, many lower caste Indians are very rich now.

      @uber Yes, many, but still a large majority is relatively poor. Also, the caste discrimination is not an economic class based discrimination. It’s an exclusion from the mainstream society because lower castes are considered impure and filthy (like animals). So even if a lower caste person has money, they’re still debarred and discriminated from participating in the mainstream society.
      Feb 26
    • New / Enganagram.
      @Microsoft I don't know which century you're talking about. Urban areas like Mumbai, Bangalore are so cosmopolitan, they don't give a shit about your caste.
      Feb 27
    • Intel GWGA84
      @microsoft the words and language you use seem to be taken from a sociology textbook published by one of those anti-India academics whose only agenda is to show India as nothing but caste. I doubt you have actually experienced any of what you claim. "Like animals" - this is ridiculous exaggeration and defamation of millions of people. The reality is not just some imaginary "upper caste" vs "lower caste". Even among your so-called lower castes, there is competition to claim higher status. Your so-called upper caste brahmins are only 5% of the population, so is the remaining 95% of the population caste-free? No, even among the so-called lower castes, every caste wants to be above some other caste. Even among the converted Christians and Muslims, there are castes who won't intermarry. So stop blaming vast sections of society for everything. All people want to belong in a community of peers, and that's why caste still exists. Some sort of groupism is always going to exist. Also, please read some history. The strict hierarchy of castes was imposed by the British when they began doing a census. The British system for their own twisted reasons wanted to rank all the castes. There was no inherent "ranking" of communities before the British came to India. So when the British ranked the castes, the different castes opposed it saying they should be placed at higher ranking, because they knew their own high value in society. This was when all the castes were economically independent and wealthy. British rule destroyed a lot of native industries and caused poverty in many castes, and turned them into so-called "lower castes". So if there is any discrimination today, it's because of economic history, not something else.
      Feb 27
    • Intuit CowsRfuzzy
      Castes are so weird. Just goes to show that it doesn't matter your skin color.....we always find ways to hate each other.
      Feb 27
    • @microsoft you seem to live in 1950s. I have never bothered to know anyone's caste (I have very poor knowledge of caste based on surnames somehow, maybe because I am from a tier 1 city). But even most people around me don't give a fuck about anyone's caste
      Feb 27
    • ANSYS sam1
      You're obviously exaggerating. No one cares if your caste is lower/higher anymore in India. In fact lower caste people get more opportunities in India too.
      Feb 28
  • T-Mobile OYlM03
    Canada all the way
    Feb 266
    • New lddj87
      the cold tho...
      Feb 27
    • Adobe CodeCircus
      The beauty, culture, food, jazz, and people...tho.
      Feb 27
    • Facebook pvHj72
      The salaries....
      Feb 27
    • Google / EngNewYoda
      Check salary, temperature and tax. Canada is not worth it.
      Feb 27
    • Primer AI / Eng
      gEMD88

      Primer AIEng

      BIO
      Two time CTO with experience bringing SaaS to market. Can provide career advice.
      gEMD88more
      Cost of living and quality of life and global warming may make it a great place in 10 years
      Feb 28
    • But right now it’s frigid grey and boring place
      Feb 28
  • Amazon toreador
    Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody’s gonna die.
    Feb 267
    • Facebook / DesignYOL28
      Sounds like happiness. Lol. Not.
      Feb 26
    • Facebook quuuuuuux
      So come watch TV.
      Feb 26
    • Nordstrom
      matali

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      matalimore
      So, better to die Rich!! Why die being a poor then?
      Feb 26
    • PayPal DoOrDie
      Lol, “everybody is going to die”, lol.
      Feb 26
    • PayPal DoOrDie
      You also die without taking any money with you, so I don’t get how you die rich or die poor ;)
      Feb 26
    • Nordstrom
      matali

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      matalimore
      You still talk those Bollywood/Tollywood dialogue. Be practical!

      I'm talking about before you die stage. Earn money, spend money and save for your next generation. All of your generation will thank you after you're gone. This will happen only if you earn enough!

      If you die without all of those mentioned above, you become liability for them! And, then you die... Your own family members will curse you! 😁😉
      Feb 26
    • Pure Storage sunmoon7
      TC or GTFO
      Feb 27
  • Walmart.com s2a7
    For me both feel the same. Graduated from one of the top colleges in India and had ridiculously high salary in Bangalore. More importantly had extremely talented colleagues, some of the best CS talent that India has to offer and very interesting projects to workon. Bachelor life in Bangalore was fcukin awesome when you get to live in 3000sq ft ultra luxury apartments, drive around in an Audi, and date attractive women in fancy restaurants. The things that sucked were traffic, road quality and anything where govt officials were involved (driving license and EPF problems). Now that I am in the US, still somewhat high TC, 3 times the savings in bank compared to India, very interesting and impactful work, amazing roads and clean air. But quality of the average US educated CS grad that we have in our team here is no where close to what I had in India (no offence intended to anyone). This may be due to the poor engineering brand value of Walmart Labs here. Moreover increasingly hostile immigration policies are creating uncertainties around long term life planning. And of course, extremely difficult to find a date!
    Feb 2615
    • Oracle blahbl
      Fuck! That’s crazy!! How did you get paid that much? My friends from IITs now get paid 30l after 2yr exp and people think that itself is really huge money
      Feb 26
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      WalmartLabs india salary structure changed as it grew. The folks who joined during 2012 - 2014 got crazy salary (25L - 30L) and senior engineer designation right out of college. That was followed by super fast promotions to staff engineer in around 2 years time. Avg annual increment of 10% and promotions we're 20%. Then Walmart stocks crashed around 2015 and to retain talent India rsu grants were more than doubled.
      Feb 26
    • New OwjS77
      Labs pays high even today. Much higher than Amzn and Microsoft. My new grad TC is 180k excluding a 50 signon.
      Feb 26
    • New / Enganagram.
      Same situation as your Bangalore situation here (except for the women, of course). Where to find dates here though 😅?
      Feb 27
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      OwjS77 - wow 180K for new grad!! Amazing ! What level ?
      Feb 27
    • New OwjS77
      Data Scientist. Masters grad from top school
      Feb 28
    • Oracle blahbl
      Hey OwjS77, I’m starting grad school this fall and need some advice. I PMed you
      Feb 28
    • Walmart.com s2a7
      Cool, congrats to you both - on the offer and on starting grad school.
      Feb 28
    • Oracle blahbl
      Thanks
      Feb 28
    • Walmart.com alHU28
      What role pays 350 tc at Walmart
      Mar 11
  • Oracle / Eng
    KeJB58

    OracleEng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    KeJB58more
    Leaving in US and working in IT is one of the best things to do these days. I enjoy it a lot. It’s never too late to come back to home country.
    Feb 254
    • Google 3743676
      *living bro
      Gotta nail that grammar
      Feb 25
    • Bain & Company ioAl18
      *spelling bro
      Gotta nail that vocabulary
      Feb 25
    • Google 3743676
      "Some people think when a word is spelled correctly but used incorrectly, that is a spelling mistake. I disagree. If a person intended to use a different word, but through a spelling misstep used another word which happens to be spelled correctly, that is a grammar mistake my friend."
      Feb 25
    • Microsoft / Biz DevMemeGenX
      *got to bro
      Got to nail that slang avoidance
      Feb 25
  • VMware / Engunknownman
    In the beginning, it was all rosy and great, but then the loneliness hits. You will have many friends, but it feels all pretentious. If you move back, invest money for long term guaranteed returns and make sure you don’t have to pay house loans and car loans in India. If you have a house to live in and a good car to drive, with no loans to fret about and some money in the bank, you are all set to a comfortable living in India.
    Feb 265
    • Cloudera hkhfc56t
      Agree
      Feb 26
    • New mikito
      Why do you need a good car? Is it a status thing?
      Feb 26
    • Facebook tGTv63
      Dependable car maybe?
      Feb 27
    • SAP / Other
      IKnowThing

      SAPOther

      PRE
      IBM
      BIO
      Scared about things that I predicted
      IKnowThingmore
      What about Children education? What about Job security? IT Companies in India fixed developers/consultant/QA max experience to 15yrs and after that they are firing them... At least in USA, companies offer jobs without considering age until 50
      Feb 27
    • Uber ubereatz
      This hits home
      Feb 27
  • Ericsson williams96
    Wouldn’t even dream of moving back to London. Could barely afford a beer there. Doubled my salary coming over to LA doing the exact same job. Complete lifestyle change, and couldn’t be more grateful.
    Feb 265
    • Adobe warabi
      So... Is LA where the English guys tend to go? 😇
      Feb 26
    • Ericsson williams96
      Only the lucky ones! Despite what people say, it’s very difficult to get a visa to work in the states.
      Feb 26
    • Intel GWGA84
      It's difficult to get a visa even for you guys? Why? Are there too many people applying like for Indians?
      Feb 27
    • Ericsson williams96
      A lot of work needs to be done in order to prove you’re going to add value to America before you can get an interview at the embassy. I had to have lawyers prepare documents for me to take with me and had a long wait before I knew what was going on.
      Feb 27
    • Adobe warabi
      I was just looking at getting a Visa in Australia and it seems pretty hard there too, unless a company sponsors you. I don't have enough engineering experience, without a cs degree, to get a Visa just for a valuable skillset.
      Feb 27
  • LinkedIn / Productgassoup
    I'm a European immigrant, I find the us and especially California a mixed bag. Professionally I'm getting opportunities I would never get but lifestyle sucks big time and the cities are all terrible and zoned by complete fucking morons.
    Feb 265
    • Microsoft 🐟FishyFish
      No wonder California is a shithole state
      Feb 26
    • Amazon / EngobWd68
      Why do you say that about lifestyle?
      Feb 26
    • Lyft swetool
      Thanks for your taxes, don’t let the door hit you on the way out
      Feb 26
    • AIG / Product
      Raging

      AIGProduct

      PRE
      Deloitte Digital
      BIO
      Counseling CxOs for AI-first strategy !
      Ragingmore
      Go to Austin, dude
      Feb 26
    • LinkedIn / Productgassoup
      Austin has the same issues, horrible traffic, no public transportation, no free places to congregate and hang out, no nightlife to speak of for folks that are older than 20... Much more to say but the morons in this community are too immature to understand why those things matter.
      Feb 27
  • Nordstrom
    matali

    Nordstrom

    BIO
    I'm me😂
    matalimore
    I think, the problem is as an Indian, we want to come to the US, stay here, enjoy... But, want to follow everything that we used to do in India. Such as, we still will go to Indian Restaurants when going out for lunch/dinner. We still want Indian community while looking for a home or rent. We still want to apply those things on our children too.

    If you want to stay here, better you go with the local culture. Mix with local people, learn their festivals too! Try to live like them. Try to enjoy like them, try to be a part of their society. Then, you probably will enjoy.

    However, no matter how many years we are gonna stay here, even though we left India, 'Indian' won't leave us.

    So, enjoy till you're here. And, enjoy even more once you go back to your country.

    My story:
    Came here thru a Consulting Comp: 75K
    Changed once: 125K
    Current Comp: 200K
    Joining a Tech next week: 300+K
    I struggled to come here. But, within 3 years, it's paying me back!
    Feb 269
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

      SAPBiz Dev

      BIO
      I climb the stairs every morning. The elevator is for Democrats!
      DaedalusSFmore
      Take it from the Germans. Biggest foreign group in the US, completely assimilated and invisible.
      Feb 26
    • Glu Mobile qEVj14
      300 years ago maybe, doesn’t count today. In 300 years we all gonna look Philippino
      Feb 26
    • But why would you want to “assimilate and be invisible” German guy?
      Feb 26
    • OP I hope you are able to pass down your culture to your kids and enjoy it yourself even in the US. It sucks that you have to “try to be like them” to enjoy life here.
      Feb 26
    • Intel GWGA84
      @Daedalus, it's easy for Germans to assimilate because American culture is predominantly built from German, English and Italian cultures. Most of the food is based on German and Italian cuisine. Think beer, sausage, steak, cakes, pies, pizza, pasta, all kinds of cured meats, etc. It's always going to be easier for a European today to assimilate in America because America was built and settled by Europeans so American culture is predominantly European culture. So it's not the same situation for an Asian or Indian person. A European doesn't have to give up most of his culture to assimilate in America but an Asian or Indian has to give up a big part of their own culture to assimilate in America. Of course different people have different levels of attachment to their birth culture.
      Feb 27
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

      SAPBiz Dev

      BIO
      I climb the stairs every morning. The elevator is for Democrats!
      DaedalusSFmore
      But that’s not what history shows. Germans were highly visible prior to WW1. They’re not anymore because they invested into farming instead of the Italians who conquered politics. You’ll not find German-Americans stating such, but how many proud Italian-Americans do you know?

      Personally, I’ve never been a proud German but a proud European, but immigration is a blitch and I’m struggling here with my subconscious that’s holding on to more Germanness than I want.

      Good luck!
      Feb 27
    • Intel GWGA84
      They may have been identified only if they spoke German or had an accent. But in mainstream America, they're not "visible" while doing things that Americans do like in their food for example. That's because American food is pretty much based on German, Italian and Irish food. And physical appearance completely masks any perceived difference. Can you pick out a German guy in a crowd of American guys?
      Feb 27
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

      SAPBiz Dev

      BIO
      I climb the stairs every morning. The elevator is for Democrats!
      DaedalusSFmore
      Yes, I usually can visibly and behaviorally. It doesn’t seem obvious to you, but the cultural differences are quite stark and I’m very attuned to Germans. All I’m saying is that if you come here, try to assimilate. It’s the same for Turkish immigrants in Germany. Most hang out within their previous cultural realm, but some really try to assimilate into the country, and over time it really goes a long way. And heck, these cultures are quite different.
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft mimes
      There is a theory why northern American look white and southern American look Indian. That is because wealth was in a few richest families hands in South America. Poor men had to marry colored women. rich white families married among themselves but there were so few of them.

      What am trying to say is, Americans will look like Indians much sooner than you expect, thanks to the widening wealth gap. So what you’re talking about will soon be obsolet
      Feb 28
  • Google WVXD02
    Your mistake is asking blind. Half the people here think immigrants and minorites are the reason FANG won't take them. I hope you don't make your decision based on the responses. GL man.
    Feb 268
  • Xilinx / Mgmtchilly00
    Yes and No.
    Living the American dream.
    Sucks to have aging parents and extended family so far away.
    Feb 256
    • What's the American dream?
      Feb 25
    • ServiceNow / Engworkhater
      OP
      Ya exactly even I want to know the American dream. I have been here for 3 years and still did not figure out what exactly an American dream means
      Feb 25
    • Xilinx / Mgmtchilly00
      Tried googling?
      Feb 26
    • Juniper drei
      It means seizing an opportunity here that you would not have the chance to obtain elsewhere and gaining success/prosperity/fulfillment from it ...or something like that
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft btYV46
      You figure out what American dream is when you move back and wake up, then you appreciate
      Feb 26
    • Please enlighten me before it's too late
      Feb 26
  • GoDaddy rughntugh
    If you have a loving extended family and amazing opportunity for your skills and most importantly, you are content with subpar lifestyle, india is good. If you want opportunity, convenience and value for your work US is the way to go. Think with head: choose US, Think with heart: Choose India
    Feb 263
    • Juniper drei
      Well put
      Feb 26
    • It’s sad that you have to leave your heart behind.
      Feb 26
    • New / IT
      uQrd43

      NewIT

      PRE
      Booking.com
      uQrd43more
      Think with both head and heart - choose Europe.
      Feb 27
  • Intuit Mqedg
    It’s great for everyone except Indians and Chinese who have very long green card wait times. Americans are the most hospitable people by and large. Beautiful country with beautiful people. If you have a STEM degree only sky is the limit for what you can accomplish here.
    Feb 260
  • Glu Mobile qEVj14
    It was definitely worth it.

    But when I go visit my parents in my home country and see friends I understand that I don’t belong there anymore. US changes people, in a good way for me, you learn to say no in a nutshell and care more about what you want, not your SO and mom, back home is just a narcissistic paradise.

    If I ever move out it will be to Europe, not my home country.

    /not Indian
    Feb 266
    • Facebook tGTv63
      I resonate with your sentiment, I feel I don't belong with my old friends group but I also don't feel I belong here in the US.
      I am just stuck in no mans land.
      Feb 27
    • eBay / ITRNhp2
      tGTv63: Welcome to being an Immigrant.
      Feb 27
    • Cruise Automation jukhfjdgj
      tGT: How long in US?
      Feb 27
    • Glu Mobile qEVj14
      6 years
      Feb 27
    • Facebook tGTv63
      Been here for 8 years now
      Feb 27
    • Cruise Automation jukhfjdgj
      Let the past go and look into the future. It seems that you are still tied to your previous life. I moved here when I was 24, I avoided the my country community which eventually brought me to local community. I also do sport and I think it helped me to integrate into local communities a lot.
      Feb 27
  • Amazon ca8jvx
    Why are tech workers so entitled and unhappy? We easily make the most out of every new grad position and yet I find many people still complaining and comparing themselves to others.

    I’m a first generation American and my entire community consists of immigrants who came here from the Caribbean/South America, and we are all grateful to live here. Almost all of my friends and their parents are not engineers, make really low pay compared to us, and yet are still incredibly happy and thankful for the opportunities to live here. Yes, they’re still dealing with the same problems as everyone else with getting their visas and green cards.

    America was a country founded on immigrants, but not those who shit on the soil they’re living in and complain about leaving - they dealt with problems with hard sacrifice and made the country a better place for the next generation.
    Feb 273
    • SAP / Biz Dev
      DaedalusSF

      SAPBiz Dev

      BIO
      I climb the stairs every morning. The elevator is for Democrats!
      DaedalusSFmore
      I love this comment!
      Feb 27
    • We have a lot more responsibility than driving for Uber. We are making Uber
      Feb 27
    • Juniper drei
      @ca8jvx I agree. I used to work a blue collar job with many South Americans who would have 3 jobs 6 kids no car and still manage to make it to work every day, kick ass and never complain. They’re just happy to be in a better situation than they would’ve been at home. To them the definition of success is getting here, surviving and taking care of their family

      @capital g it’s a symbiotic relationship. You still need them to drive for Uber. You’re no better than them and they are no better than you. We all need each other in order to keep this country running.
      Feb 27
  • Citrix Systems / EngRonaldfoot
    I want to go back because I feel bad about parents And nowadays Indian companies pay handsome. Like 30 lpa if you work for msft or LinkedIn or uber
    Feb 252
    • Yes, I too feel bad. Family first.
      Feb 25
    • American Express / Engwuali
      "Indian companies" 🙃
      Mar 5
  • Visa FoffBoy
    Where's the 'I was 🅱️orn here' option
    Feb 261
    • LogMeIn VtfB01
      Are you lost? You seem to be in wrong thread.
      Feb 26
  • New ONsf17
    See ya
    Feb 250
  • Too lonely here
    Feb 254
  • Oath biow46g
    Depends... If you move to a place with good curry it's worth it
    Feb 262
    • Amazon Rurytere
      There's nowhere in us that has good curry.
      Feb 26
    • Google XoIl35
      Steph Curry is pretty good
      Feb 27
  • Credit Karma positive+
    One of the best decisions of my life despite all these racists here and in the society.
    Feb 264
    • Tesla / EngmrDonald
      Asian countries are racist for sure.
      They hate newcomers not their skin color, faith and origin.
      So funny when Indians here say that the US is racist.
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft hollygoat
      I found Indians are the biggest racists. Americans seem least racists to me. My colleagues and friends from other countries state the same. It is ironic since they are the most disgruntled people against whites and speak trash towards whites citing them as racists yet they discriminate against non Indians the most.
      Feb 26
    • Tesla / EngmrDonald
      Of course they’re. They even hate Indians from nearby states 😆
      Feb 26
    • New / Eng
      BogoSort

      NewEng

      PRE
      Samsung Electronics
      BogoSortmore
      Ha ha. I just used to think every other races are racists, until I came to US. (now I think my race is the biggest bigoted of all racists).
      Feb 27
  • Apple ijbv
    There are people who consider moving back and there are people who actually move back.

    I have seen 1000s of post where people wer confident that they will move back but no one ever did.

    Just my 2 cents
    Feb 250
  • Intel / QA
    CreatEnDev

    IntelQA

    PRE
    Qualcomm, Samsung Electronics, NXP Semiconductor
    CreatEnDevmore
    Non of the option is appropriate. It is all depend on situation and the position in your career.

    If entry level I would say working in USA is better. As India pay structure is very low for entry level(1/6 of usa pay scale). Although expenditure is less(1/3 of usa cost of living). From usa you can do multiple trips to India in a year.

    If mid or higher up level, then India is much better then USA. You have good salary package(1/2 of usa salary) and expenditure is still (1/3 of USA's cost of living). Note, in your mid life, if you have little assets like rental income and own living space in India, then expenditure will reduce to 1/4 of USA's cost of living. You can gain better in India then USA. As you have close family support, reduced travel cost, better education with competitive advantage, cheap home services like maid, cleaner, driver etc. Live like king feeling with little spending.
    Feb 260
  • It was absolutely worth it. I never wanted to move to the US, and it happened rather incidentally, but I don't think I will ever consider moving back to where I came from.

    Being surrounded by people from so many countries, with so many different views, who are open to communicate, teach and learn, is such a great gift. I come from Europe and I don't think I could live there again happily. My perception of cultures and views changed too much.

    I think people who come to the US and are unhappy are mainly those who come with wrong expectations. There are lots of immigrants who don't want to assimilate, learn other people's views, and who keep living in a local community surrounded by people from the country of their origin and communicate mainly with those, who thought that they would make more money in America, etc.

    I personally could be richer where I was born and raised, live a more luxurious life style, and deal only with the folks of my culture and language. But those are things I care little for, and the opportunity to meet new people, learn different perspectives, how to compromise, and so on, happens to be much more important to me.
    Mar 33
    • PayPal
      Skeltp

      PayPal

      PRE
      Amazon
      Skeltpmore
      What about your family... is everyone here?
      Mar 4
    • My spouse and our kids are also in the US.
      Mar 4
    • Verizon Media sxSG85
      That's amazing, happy for you.
      Mar 12
  • LinkedIn cool_putra
    I was a MS student and worked for 2 and half years of OPT. US university education from a good/awesome university is definitely worth the money and pays back.

    I also got a diverse experience in working in diverse domains in a short span of time.

    But Bangalore is also huge and almost all medium and large scale valley companies have a sizeable presence and pay awesome.

    So yeah stay 5 yrs, learn and lead and live in Bangalore.

    The fact is most if not all Indians are or were economic refugees. We ventured out since our economic situation till late 2005 was pretty bad with limited opportunities but this has changed dramatically in 14 yrs. Now buying a one way ticket to US is no longer the game in town.

    So if u stay in US great, if u come back also great!
    Feb 263
    • Citrix Systems / EngRonaldfoot
      Nice. May I know wher are you now ?? USA or India ? I am of the same opinion as you. Where do you work currently ?
      Feb 26
    • LinkedIn cool_putra
      In Bangalore now.
      Feb 26
    • Cisco / Engekdamkadak
      Mind sharing level and CTC?
      Feb 26
  • Square
    square-bun

    Square

    PRE
    Oath, Symantec
    square-bunmore
    I moved to the US much later in life. Lived there for two years and then had to move back to india. Bangalore is surprisingly good in terms of tech culture and pay. And the added benefit of being with family. Given a choice i would live in the US in a heart beat: i had excellent time with good opportunity and money and social life. But india has also been excellent and much different than when i left just few years back.
    Feb 260
  • Facebook bl@ckmamba
    See ya !
    Feb 250
  • Indeed cyhy46
    1000% yes. Even though nobody on either side of the border believes it, the quality of life in America is just way, way better than Canada. Higher pay, cheaper rent, lower taxes. Groceries are cheaper and there's way, way more variety. Roads are bigger and faster and nicer. Flying is actually affordable. I don't have to suffer through 3 months of -40 temperatures. Health care is dramatically better (and since I have a job what pays for insurance, cheaper too!).

    The only real downsides of living here that aren't present back home are the ones intrinsic to my work status. Border guards can ruin my life if they're having a bad day. I've paid tens of thousands of dollars into social security / medicare / etc but by law can never use it. That sort of thing. But overall, it is much much better here.
    Feb 264
    • Microsoft oMAG58
      There's no pizza pop here and the corn pop cereal here tastes like packing peanuts compared to Canada.
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft oMAG58
      Also I crossed the border every other weekend on TN for like two whole years and didn't have any issue. So pretty sure there's no real concern there.
      Feb 27
    • Google whocansay
      You should be able to get a green card quickly if you want it. That'll help at the border.
      Feb 27
    • Microsoft oMAG58
      @whocansay, he/she may be Canadian but still born in China or India.
      Feb 27
  • Amazon onmH64
    🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
    🇺🇸 can’t make 6 figures anywhere else fam
    🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
    Feb 262
  • Microsoft woolloomoo
    You will love your own country more and want to go back eventually. USA is good, but it also helps me to understand there’s no perfect country.
    Feb 270
  • Amazon johnyquest
    I met so many people from different countries with different cultures. Made a lot of new friends who will probably be life long friends. Traveled around with a different perspective. Picked up hobbies I would never have imagined back home.
    I anyway visited my parents 2 times a year while I was home and now I visit once-twice a year from USA . I also prefer spending small amounts of time more often with them.
    You might have a different opinion and experience. But i feel if you are open minded and have made friends outside your nationality, you would see it differently.
    Feb 260
  • Intuit zz0zz
    Depends. Come to US. Earn enough and move back to India.
    Feb 260
  • Apple
    app-pill

    Apple

    PRE
    AMD
    BIO
    Spittoon of Upper Mgmt
    app-pillmore
    Feb 265
    • Nordstrom
      matali

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      matalimore
      🖕 whatever you'll do, we won't go!! Do whatever you want to do!!!

      And, YES! You can't do anything to stop us.
      Feb 26
    • Microsoft mimes
      I guess Indian H1B cheaters should and can be stopped if only someone has a brain gets elected to the office. If you didn’t cheat, yes, he cannot stop you. But it is hard to tell.
      Feb 26
    • Nordstrom
      matali

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      matalimore
      Agreed! We're here legally and that's the point!
      Feb 26
    • PayPal Faggins
      Only times have changed and roles have reversed. Infosys is the new East India Company. 😛
      Feb 26
    • Nordstrom
      matali

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      matalimore
      Infosys is the new Sh*t India Company!

      No offense to my Infy friends!!
      Feb 26
  • New / Eng
    BogoSort

    NewEng

    PRE
    Samsung Electronics
    BogoSortmore
    There are always pros and cons.
    US is not exactly what I expected it to be. But it is still one of the best countries to migrate to. It is definitely very underwhelming for tech workers; because, you know, most software engineers are used to very comfortable life. Life in US is not comfortable. Then getting house, healthcare and raring child is significantly more challenging in US.
    In pro side though, quality of healthcare (if you can pay for it) is good in US, whereas in South Asia -- you cannot get it (unless you go to Singapore).
    Quality of pre-university education is shit in US though, especially in most public school; too much focus on athletics and not much on science and math. But, if you are willing to pay for it, you can get good science and math education for your kids. From SA, we are used to get beaten to learn science and math.

    In pro side, you can work at companies like Google or Microsoft or in any of those cool startups. In India you have them, but do you get to work on same kind of stuff? IDK (I'm not from India).

    Also, you can get good post-grad education (MS or PhD) in US. That is a huge pro. + College is good to (if you can afford it or get scholarship).

    I know I am upset with what US can offer to me, but given the same choice again, I'd decide to move to US again. I know it is significantly bad for people from India, as they may often have remain chained to a underpaying job for many years until they can get a green card.
    Feb 262
    • New yUIJ81
      Based on what I’ve seen, us education system produces much more well rounded people
      Feb 26
    • New / Eng
      BogoSort

      NewEng

      PRE
      Samsung Electronics
      BogoSortmore
      I have met well rounded people from both US and abroad. And I have seen extremely narrow minded and limited skilled people from both US and abroad.
      Feb 27
  • iCrossing secretshow
    Moving to NYC from Russia was the best decision of my life.
    Feb 261

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