As a woman in tech myself, I often encounter women who are overly sensitive and kind of catty (including some that bad mouth behind people’s backs). Further, some are very unwilling to take feedback from another female peers, and this really bugs me. What am I to do in this situation? I understand being liked shouldn’t be the main priority, but it gets to the point where emotions get more involved than what I’m normally used to when working with my male peers. I’m not into what we do as women, where we go into these long “talks” about whose feelings got hurt, or be apologetic, etc.. What to do? Inputs are greatly appreciated... I don’t think I have to apologize for sharing my experiences here, but honestly I’m worn out from working with some females. Little note: I have no problems with other female peers that are less snowflake-y.
I’m also a female in tech. One of my struggles is my eyes well up when I’m frustrated or passionate about something (Also, yes getting feedback). I’m not trying to be emotional—I’ve tried breathing tricks, meditation, etc and still happens. If any of your coworkers are like that, the best move is just to ignore it and keep going (I can usually control it in 30 seconds if no one makes me self conscious of it) or give them a couple minutes to regain composure/think it through/calm down. Cattiness, on the other hand, I can’t help you with. That’s their problem.
I can relate to the eyes welling up while frustrated, i often come across as emotional whereas it stems from mostly frustration and helplessness. How have you dealt with this? Any tips
Just explain it to your coworkers as a weird quirk you have. Some people may be instinctively or culturally trained to respond to someone tearing up in a certain way because they assume the other person is being hurt, and this is not unreasonable. If you let them know about it and they are normal people and not assholes they'll understand.
Wow that sounds exhausting. As a fellow woman in engineering I literally cannot stand neverending recurring conversations about whose feelings were hurt and why. (Short ones are fine! Sometimes people got to talk things out - yes, men too. In all fairness, I have also encountered my fair share of whiny men ;) ). I'm lucky enough that this practically doesn't happen in my org at all - we don't have lots of women but the ones we do have are total badasses who are AWESOME at their job. You sound like one of these. Rock on, sister.
Do you have examples of people not listening to your advice? It could be just some of the women you work with since you get along with others, but maybe it's you? Maybe try to relate more. For example, you probably don't want to be calling people snowflakes because they might be more sensitive or empathatic than you.
It could be me, you’re right. But I also notice two, if not three types of women in the tech field: one that is badass, one that is trying to be badass but sensitive, and another that doesn’t talk much. I’m talking about the one in the middle. Badass women, am cool with. Quiet women, am also cool with. My problem is the one that’s trying to be badass but can’t hang. I also don’t call them snowflakes in front of their faces. It’s these things that irk me — why can I call someone badass bitches but when I call someone snowflake it’s an insult?
Because one is a compliment the other is an insult?
Almost sounds like you're forced to sit through these conversations. You want to still hang, but don't like the topic staying on feelings too much?
After school I have gotten the chance to work full time in my field for 10 years. 5 out those 10 were working for a female boss (several, actually). No different than a male boss. All were truly decent people but I have heard things from female coworkers: 1.) They hate working for another woman 2.) Male bosses / customers are so much nicer to them 3.) They are more stressed out in a mostly/all female environment
Men treat women nicer because women elicit a certain kind of response that has nothing to do with sexuality from a man, but more of a open/emotionally vulnerable air. It is hard to put into words, but a woman can be very calming to a man and the man does not feel as competitive nor need to be on his toes/intense. A woman gets none of those benefits when engaging another woman, so they will feel as if they are treating you worse than men.
Men treat men differently than they treat women, jist listen to a mans vouce and tone when taliing to a woman or even the concersationaly topics or how much they share, etc
Women are sexist too. Women also discriminate against women. Just because you are female, it doesn't mean you are not sexist. I had a female manager who was like the alpha male type and was extremely sexist, but she didn't recognize and couldn't hear it from me or another girl in our team. She might think I was a snowflake because I was so shocked to see how she treated a girl in the team during a team meeting, and I cried. It was another male coworker called her out. Anyway... you can label me a snowflake, but I'm very happy with my current female manager, who is a great and considerate manager, and I never had any "breakdown" again. So, from my personal experience and your description, i don't have enough context to suggest anything. Just want to point out that it might be how you deliver the "feedback" or "experience".
When men break down they get flustered but usually respond in anger or bravado.
Yep. My worst bosses have always been women. When you are a boss it's incredibly important to be consistent. Not only were my bosses inconsistent, they would react emotionally and in front of other people. I am female and I have no patience for waffling emotions in the workplace
Why not just ignore them??
I can’t ignore them if I have to work with them :/
I had to post this in my office once. For fellow men. They got the message. https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/eleanor_roosevelt.. "small minds discuss people" etc
You are blurring multiple issues. Not all sensitive people - or sensitive women - talk badly about others behind their back or are catty. They just don't talk about their feelings at work, cry in private, and are kind to other women. So, this is easy. #1 Stop spending non-working time chatting with people who annoy you. Keep it about work. #2 Stop using your experiences with annoying catty women to label all sensitive personalities. It will not help your career to exclude those people from your stratosphere of people you respect.
I personally think you should quit before it consumes you. Unless you're able to complete just work and not be affected it's not worth putting any energy towards their behavior...
This response is overboard. No one should quit a job over this.
Agree with Bq836..