I think only babies that have at least one citizen parent at time of birth should receive it.
Otherwise, the little Putins and little Xi Jinpings will continue invading the US with their babies.
It’s called Birth Tourism. There are birth tourism vacation packages for foreigners to come to the US.
- Most of the people who do birth right tourism actually tend to be pretty rich. It's not cheap to have babies in the US.
And don't we want rich people coming to the US?
- Against it. Child status should be dependent on the status of the parent. We live in the 21st century where anyone can get on a plane and be anywhere in the earth in less than 24 hours. Yet geography of where the mother has the baby give automatic citizenship in the US? Huh?! It’s just so odd.
- You keep saying that yet can’t cough up a concrete example as I repeatedly asked for. Why not? Is it that hard? Don’t waste my time without giving an explicit example of how ending birthright citizenship “takes rights away and replaces it with a privilege subject to the whims of the political class”. Whatever the fuck that word salad means. Fix DACA, remove birthright citizenship, kids born here thereafter inherit the same legal status as their parents, and then tell me how your problem exists again?
And interesting how you bring in the second amendment into this. Because naturally if you read the writings of the founding fathers you know that the construction needs to be vague and amendable because society evolves and so does the interpretation of the laws within the framework of the constitution. Hence the debate over which arms and ammo are allowed and which ones should not be. The point is the constitution is by design a living document. And so this discussion is entirely valid.
The turbulent growing pains this nation had to grow and become the super power it is today no longer exists. Same with the reasoning and necessity for birthright citizenship. And precisely why older developed nations got rid of it. Because it’s just being abused.
- Kemper Maj. PayneAll right this will be my last post. You said yourself that children inherit their parents status. So the children of undocumented people will themselves be undocumented even though this is the only country they know. When they grow up, what rights will they have? How is that hard to understand? By the way not all undocumented qualify for DACA. How will history not repeat itself for these people the same way DACA is being used to score political points with no concern whatsoever about the people caught in between? Shutdown 2050 I guess.
- I realize not every kid qualifies for DACA. Only kids without any criminal history. The rest don’t get an exemption and working papers. Remember DACA doesn’t grant citizenship either. Just gives them legal status to be here. They need to then go through the legal process to get citizenship or green cards, which their children will thus inherit.
I’m not concerning myself with the criminals here illegally, but want a solution for the glut of illegals already here that have stayed out of trouble.
Is all of this worth it? I think so. Will it actually happen? Not likely. Nobody likes it when citizenship is being gamed by foreigners. My mom was an OB nurse for 40 years and near the end of her career nearly 40% of her patients were illegals who would say there came here to have a baby for free so their kid can have citizenship and they can stay with benefits. Ask an OB nurse what they think about it and chances are they’ll not be terribly fond of birthright citizenship since they see how many illegals game it, to say nothing about the Chinese maternity tourism industry, which operates out of private businesses. It’s one of those issues that eventually rub people the wrong way over time. This position isn’t rooted in racism or bigotry. It’s rooted in right and wrong. Talk to more folks about this issue and you’ll find a lot of people don’t like it for the same reason.
- The kid is a citizen. We can’t deport citizens, so either tear the family apart or let them stay. So we let them stay as long as they stay out of trouble. And because the kid is a citizen, the family can qualify for low income housing, food stamps, and welfare. Some programs have restrictions, others don’t. How do you think the population of illegal immigrants grew to 11 million so fast?
- You make some factually incorrect statements.
Pregnant women and nursing mothers could be eligible for certain benefits under the Women-Infants-Children (WIC) program , which provides food and nutrition vouchers to low-income families, if they have a child that was born in the U.S.
Their children could also enroll in Medicaid, although the undocumented parents could not.
We don’t think a right should be eliminated, because of false information.
- I know. Notice I explicitly said some programs have restrictions. Either way, it’s quite obvious the parents and families don’t leave, yet you assumed their would follow the law and leave. I grew up with many us born kids whose parents are undocumented and here illegally. The benefits are for the kids. And this has been going on for many years. There’s a reason why people argue that birthright citizenship encourages more illegal immigration, but I think it’s more of a function of benefits and available work.
There was a time when migrant workers came here on temp work visas, lived in labor camps, and went back home after the season was over. Then they gradually decided to stay and being their families here instead and remain undocumented.
- Lol. Scroll up. I don’t think I could have described more exhaustively the harms thus far. You on the other hand haven’t provided a single example of how removing it with a DACA solution would cause any harm whatsoever. And until you do, I’m done wasting my time with you.
To recap the harm. Shady fuck Maternity tourism, increased illegal immigration, increased drain on resources, sowing public distrust and discord.
It’s clear you’re just looking through the lenses of rose colored goggles. You’re in a bubble. You haven’t grown up with this like I have and the rest of middle America has. Why do you think it was so easy for folks to be fooled by Trump?Jan 270
- If you don’t like it, amend the Constitution.
And, have a better reason than other countries with less respect for liberty don’t have it.
History has more than demonstrated the government abuses from having permanent classes of non-citizens.
- It won’t happen. Once you have that policy it will put burden of parents to prove their citizenship. If you know Court just ruled against asking about if one is citizen or not during census counting.