What do you think is wrong with the gaming industry?

Activision Blizzard J46Nbh
Aug 28 140 Comments

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xeymz/two-more-women-accuse-nelly-of-sexual-assault

I think after reading this alongside all the other sexual assault and harassment cases and that article about riot games, it's undeniable that there's a real issue in the gaming industry related to sexual harassment, assault etc. The handcuff stuff was really graphic...lol

What are the best ways companies could combat these issues? I feel like we can and should do better, but how? What is the crux of the problem?

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  • Apple
    TWB-tWBu16

    Apple

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    I’m a software engineer. Right now my job is focused on full stack web dev but I love everything related to tech
    TWB-tWBu16more
    I think the problem is that men and women have been getting away with sexual harassment in the workplace for so long that it’s common.

    Once people start getting fined or prison time for sexual harassment, people will be a lot less interested in sexually harassing others.
    Aug 28 29
    • Apple
      TWB-tWBu16

      Apple

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      I’m a software engineer. Right now my job is focused on full stack web dev but I love everything related to tech
      TWB-tWBu16more
      i guarantee that not a single woman would feel uncomfortable if you asked her out politely or respectfully, is my point
      Sep 1
    • Thoughtworks kemosabe
      “Zero people”,
      “99% of people”,
      “I guarantee that not a single woman”,
      all bullshit.
      Nothing is that homogeneous.
      Your made up statistics mean nothing.
      You don’t represent all women and no one represents all men. And because it’s not that one sided, this shit needs to be defined!
      Sep 1
    • New / Mktg
      Marteching

      New Mktg

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      I am very good at what I do. I work in a starving market for my skills
      Martechingmore
      The liberal usage of superlatives made by @TWB-tWBu16 tells me more about the maturity of the person using them than the statistic they hope to share.
      Sep 2
    • New / Finance ASdT78
      did people here read about Katy Perry's accused for sexual assault? was there media outrage from feminist / sjw?
      Sep 2
    • New / Finance ASdT78
      yip, @tikimon is another miscreant of third wave feminist - - ruin lives based on allegation, except when the offender is a female
      Sep 2
  • Microsoft dTJQ43
    Everything will eventually be sexual harrassment, men and women will stop interacting in any way and the human race will eventually go extinct
    Aug 29 6
    • Microsoft dTJQ43
      tikmon The bar may eventually get low enough for you to get in, you never know. Keep your head up and think positive
      Aug 29
    • Nordstrom / Eng tikimon
      Already been there and moved on, kiddo.
      Aug 29
    • Microsoft dTJQ43
      To Nordstrom? 🤣🤣
      Aug 29
    • Nordstrom / Eng tikimon
      Ayup. Quite a few of the other big players too. Turns out there's more to life than measuring your ween by the corporate masters you serve.
      Aug 29
    • Apple Hansel2
      Ah, bring back the good ole days, isn’t it?
      Aug 30
  • Google mequ
    Anonymous complaints lol. The accused on the other hand is all over the page.
    Aug 28 0
  • Riot Games I will be
    If a musical act invites you on the bus, it's not because of your charming personality.
    Aug 28 0
  • Adobe Pnqj67
    I think the problem is that men and women are animals and have a biological imperative to reproduce.
    Aug 29 8
    • New / Eng kurinkishi
      You're from Adobe? You should check out #AdobeForAll
      Aug 29
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      @bartelby

      Yeah, it wasn’t clear. I just meant that there were circumstances where there was no leverage to get away with abusive behavior. The wives could just move somewhere else because their livelihood was based on their part in the tribe, not on a personal income or their partner’s income. The wives just left and if the husband tried to force them to come back, they wouldn’t be able to beat up the wife and her siblings or her friends or just other people in the community who saw that he was in the wrong by their social norms.

      All the high profile #metoo abusers had people who would cover for them and had power over other people’s careers. That’s how they got away with it as long as they did - not because of biology.
      Aug 29
    • Facebook foodlifer
      Orgasm increases chance of pregnancy?
      Aug 29
    • Pivotal bartelby
      I see. Thanks for clarifying @ellisdee25 makes a lot of sense.
      Aug 30
  • Take-Two Interactive Software YPGs25
    Entertainment leads to popularity, popularity leads to power, power leads to abuse. It’s pervasive and the only thing that seems to work is incessantly calling it out, which is more exhausting to the accuser than the accused.
    Aug 28 4
    • TI / Product zleague
      Abuse leads to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
      Aug 29
    • Take-Two Interactive Software YPGs25
      Yoda wasn’t wrong.
      Aug 29
    • Uber / Eng TC or GTFO
      Hello there!
      Aug 29
    • Ripple / Eng
      oekg25

      Ripple Eng

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      Two Sigma
      oekg25more
      Call out culture, you say? 🤔
      Aug 29
  • New fnIy15
    Games industry is a joke, it's 2019 and people only play rehashed garbage and copies of games from 2004.
    Aug 28 5
    • Activision Blizzard / Design Metzen
      Huh?
      Aug 30
    • Facebook pektok
      Metzen: literally WoW classic
      Aug 31
    • Amazon JustQuit
      WoW classic is the best game to come out in 2019 doh.
      Sep 1
    • You think you want it, but you don't.

      Am I talking about wow classic or those idiots in the sexual misconduct thread above? YOU DECIDE
      Sep 2
    • MobilityWare / QA hddfbd
      I feel like that's only half of what's out there in the market.

      Unless you're coming sequels as "rehashed" too.
      Sep 6
  • gaming industry is hard, expect 80 hour weeks during crunch maybe as much as half the pay you would get working in tech or startup. its pretty much bullies taking advantage of young people's passions
    Aug 29 3
    • New cjMg61
      This, I find this more abusive than a sexual joke someone made about a coworker
      Aug 29
    • Nordstrom / Eng tikimon
      That's because this kind of bullying actually impacts you. Y'know, because statistically you're probably a dude who has been subjected to demeaning jokes for so long that you're numb to the effects.
      Aug 29
    • Cerner / Eng fayryover
      Surprising that you find the that affects you, worse than you find the thing that doesnt. Way to empathize...
      Aug 30
  • Microsoft blinkd182
    If the gamedev industry was more like the tech industry that’d be great. You get treated like shit in the gaming industry but work much much harder.

    And game devs solve some of the hardest problems you can imagine.

    It’s actually kinda hilarious how easy the technical problems are if you’re just working on an app or a backend service. Game devs deserve a fuckin medal for the incredibly difficult shit they solve.

    (Source, I do both)
    Aug 29 4
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      Agreed, but the attitude towards prices for/in games these days is ridiculous and needs to change. People don't want to pay a dime for DLC, want a "complete game" (with an arbitrary amount of content), and cry about cosmetic-only loot boxes that help fund the develops the fans claim to love.

      Then they just buy discount game keys from grey-market resellers, where devs see barely, if any, profit.
      Aug 29
    • Microsoft efs343iee
      bs on price. make quality games with no drm and no stupid online requirement for non online games and people will buy your games and dlc if they are good. look at witcher model.
      Aug 30
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      I don't disagree, but not every game is The Witcher and quality is subjective. Just don't buy the game or support the series if you don't want to, but don't cry about the concept across the board. If you like a game or studio, you should want them to be successful, not get paid peanuts and put in 80+ hour weeks.

      Also, people who complain about cosmetic-only items/loot boxes are the worst kind of people.
      Aug 30
    • Microsoft efs343iee
      i absollutely support the studios that make quality games. but loot boxes are absolutely unnecessery especily random ones. while i personally dont care and am never addicted to this crap there are kids who play these games who do not yet have the discipline to resist this gambling. if you are a studio that makes crap and expects the moon well thats too bad as noone is entitled to anything (unless you are a bank that is entitled to be bailed out at taxpayer expense)
      Aug 31
  • eBay coldboy
    Hahaha Vice and Hassan Minhaj, proper garbage
    Aug 29 0
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Splunk / Eng ImaRainbow
      Or, only hire women. After all, men molest other men all the time (see: clergy sex abuse scandal, 2002-2019 or maybe I should say 500BC-2019AD).
      Aug 29
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      Great idea, hiring only women should decrease payroll overhead by 30%
      Aug 29
  • Unity Lvl5Thug
    Power and money corrupts. Who knew
    Aug 28 0
  • Aetna / Data bitizen
    It's crazy to me how many people just can't seem to do the right thing on the daily. I mean, like, don't touch anyone. Pretty simple. I don't touch everyone I see everyday at work. We all get along just fine.
    Aug 29 0
  • Tinder trolol
    I don't see a problem
    Aug 29 3
    • Facebook / Eng
      JomaTecch

      Facebook Eng

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      Google
      JomaTecchmore
      Super suprised a dating site has no sexual harassment issues huh 😂
      Aug 29
    • New Gekyume
      Joma
      Aug 29
    • Tinder trolol
      Surprised*
      Aug 29
  • Splunk bojangless
    Imo gaming in particular attracts the type of misogynists that post on 4chan and worship pepe the frog. This likely translates to more of them wanting to work for a gaming company.

    The vileness leaks into the industry from there imo.
    Aug 29 1
    • Cloudera Ohheythere
      For example, THQ Nordic doing a q and a session on 8chan. Wtf.
      Aug 30
  • Nerds lusting after cheerleaders in high school, viewing porn and MTV daily, and not getting laid in college suddenly getting a modicum of popularity and wealth and acting out...not unique to gaming at all.
    Aug 29 0
  • Wargaming grglad
    The problem is the values of gaming companies. It may seem irelevant but its not. Traditional industries have been forcing values in their workplace, which helped create a less Chaotic environment. The misconseption that gaming industry is fun there is no need for strong values brought us here
    Aug 28 0
  • Wix.com TcEs77
    Sorry, but how could someone FORCE another person to do a blowjob to him , if life threatening is not the case ?
    Aug 29 5
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      It's still forcing if it's threats to ones employment, one's career, the threat of violence, etc etc. It's still sexual harassment. Someone doesn't have to be literally bleeding out for it to be non consensual.
      Aug 30
    • Wix.com TcEs77
      I mean in this particular case.
      Aug 30
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      He grabbed her head? And pushed it onto his dick? What do you think?
      Aug 30
    • Wix.com TcEs77
      If I were her, I would refuse to do that and leave, in the worst case - bite the motherfucker. Definitely won't open my mouth and start sucking it, until he put a knife to my neck or something.
      Aug 30
    • Facebook / Eng lkj630
      Good for you 👍
      Aug 31
  • Riot Games SinOfGreed
    Well, for one thing they still read VICE in 2019.
    But seriously, it's a "boys and their toys" kinda world so you bet they built it in their image.
    Good news is it's getting better, just taking its damn sweet time to get there
    Aug 28 0
  • Pentagon Federal Credit Union / Other 0N10N
    I think the issue is power imbalance in corporate cultures. Harassment is a symptom of a dysfunctional system.
    Aug 29 5
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      You're right, just promote everyone to CEO 🤡
      Aug 29
    • Pentagon Federal Credit Union / Other 0N10N
      That’s not what I said. It’s a system problem, not the seating chart. If we’re going with clown answers why don’t we just throw all executives into a lake and assume that the ones who drown were innocent?
      Aug 29
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      Well, since you haven't suggested anything in your first post (to be fair, neither have I), why shouldn't we throw executives into a lakes?
      Aug 29
    • Pentagon Federal Credit Union / Other 0N10N
      1) the lake idea might not work.
      2) I think the main point would be to focus on improving how important decisions are made in our business culture rather than focus on how some predators committed their crimes. For example if workers scored supervisors in a way that directly affected their pay it would reduce the power imbalance.
      Aug 29
    • SAP
      Man

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      Manmore
      You're still not suggesting anything.
      Aug 29

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