What good has Facebook brought to this world?

Uber buddhu
Aug 10, 2018 89 Comments

Most Facebook employees are so snobbish in Blind (sample pic attached from a thread today). TC and smartness dont account for everything, especially after a point.

What good does your work bring to the world and society? Mostly your company has made people waste time in a virtual world doing useless things when they could have done important things in the real world. And let's not even get into the fake news, online bullying, live suicides etc that your highly valuable company has made possible. Or the vanity that Instagram has promoted, at the cost of humongous computing and energy resources.

Honestly, what makes you come to office everyday when you could use your skills and intelligence to do something worthwhile?

What good has Facebook brought to this world?

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  • Uber urbduek
    What good does uber bring? Just saying. We all out to make money, that's all
    Aug 10, 2018 9
    • Uber let’s people who otherwise won’t have genuine source of income to earn money..

      For us as people it breaks the fucking monopoly of taxis and cab who would charge 20$ for 1 mile journey.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      you’re also taking the huge hassle of car ownership out of riders’ life so they can spend more time instagramming and netflix and chill.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Asurion 7vdcg
      Saves thousands of lives due to reduced drunk driving?
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      You no longer have to worry about travel to anywhere in the world at anytime of the day or night. That is changing the world for good.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Facebook Dr. Dobbs
      Haha, what? OP, you work at Uber and you don't know about taxis?
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Uber is leaps and bounds ahead of products like Snapchat and Instagram in terms of real contribution to society.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Kronos / Other 76
      As if you can honestly compare a taxi service (who you have to actually call, and they might show up sometime) to Uber/Lyft.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook Dr. Dobbs
      Oh, great point. If you wanted to be able to call a taxi at any time, you'd have to carry a telephone around with you everywhere you went, like some kind of lunatic. You're right, Uber really brings that service to a much bigger group of customers.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • TI IOlOl0
      I was just in Europe and they have taxis that have apps like Uber... although I called an Uber in Prague and a taxi driver was driving Uber 🤔
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Airbnb jim.hodlen
    connecting people and entertaining them seems pretty useful to me.
    Aug 10, 2018 10
    • Oath OPnd70
      So did MySpace and looked how they worked out
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      and your point is?
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Oath OPnd70
      They didn't do crap.. just invented the internet star
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      how is it useful? how many of your FB friends do you regularly connect with and what do you do after connecting?
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      I don’t use facebook these days, but I enjoyed it when I used to use it more actively. instagram is hugely entertaining to me. sure you can always make the argument that we should be spending more time colonizing and terraforming mars, developing cures for cancer, and reducing global warming, but human beings need downtime, and instagram seems fine for that.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Oath OPnd70
      Yes, instagram models make the world a better place
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      I’m not arguing against bigtech having social responsibility and all that, but it’s not fair to dismiss a product just because it was built to entertain.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      instagram is much more than models🙄️
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      omg da dogs😍. I’m not able to have my own dog due to allergies, but the ones on instagram fill my heart with joy
      Aug 10, 2018
    • TI IOlOl0
      Check out lunafreya_samoyed! Daily posts of a Samoyed 😍 https://www.instagram.com/lunafreya_samoyed
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng Flatiron
    OP just found out he failed the FB phone screen 😂
    Aug 10, 2018 6
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      Funny, but am not interviewing. Want to wait till IPO. I got pissed at FB employee PimpC s comment on the thread "Why do recruiters want to talk on the phone" in Blind
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng 870
      Imagine being so triggered by a random comment that you would make this post
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Amazon lkjhgfdsap
      You’re just proving his point ^
      Aug 11, 2018
    • IBM GBfd44
      There’s assholes everywhere.. even at IBM
      Aug 11, 2018
    • This
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Facebook cspee
    If FB is so bad, go ahead and delete your account. I watched multiple of my friends try to delete their account and then realized that they love being connected to people they know well, or once knew, or bumped into at a party. 90% of them came back. FB brings people together in many ways. FB solves group-collaboration, video chat, casual voyeurism, business (white/yellow page type stuff), streaming content, and 30 other things. Blaming FB for bad human behavior is like saying we should ban the internet because people troll each other in forums. If we banned cars, there would be no car accidents! Never mind the collateral damage of that. Let’s face it.. you will have bad habits with whatever tools you have at your disposal. Don’t eradicate a tool because you can’t help but hit yourself with it. The media loves to pile on to memes they profit from turning into hyperbole. The media also hates FB because it’s a better platform for delivering content... so the media smears it’s biggest competitor. Stop being a lemming and think critically about your responsibility in this matter.
    Aug 11, 2018 11
    • Facebook cspee
      Msft harvests data. So does google. and Amazon. You deleting all those apps too?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Tesla / Eng
      embedder

      Tesla Eng

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      embeddermore
      I also deleted my account in 2012 when I realized how negatively it was affecting my life. I still stay connected to a close circle of friends, chatting with them almost daily through various means, despite having moved across the country.

      If you fear falling out of touch with people just because of not being on Facebook, that just betrays how little people are really willing to do for their friends and family these days. People managed it just fine for, I don’t know, all of human history before the creation of modern social media?

      I think the biggest benefit of leaving it behind has been that it allows me to focus on what I want to do with my life my not worrying about comparing myself to others and where I “should” be.

      Edit: Data collection is a whole different story, and yes, all big tech is guilty there. My issue with Facebook is the fundamental psychological basis of it and degradation of social interaction and mental well-being that it causes.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng .!.
      You my friend have zero self control. If an app is triggering FOMO, you have a bigger problem. Don't blame, get your shit right. Watching too much porn is your problem, not the porn industry's. 😂

      And now you work at Tesla where you are told balls to walls by your CEO.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Tesla / Eng
      embedder

      Tesla Eng

      BIO
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      embeddermore
      Oh don’t worry, we’re in agreement that our CEO is a giant 💩! But I don’t think FOMO is the issue. I have a happy relationship, a (small) close circle of friends, and I live as comfortably as I could ever ask for. Okay, fine, I could maybe do with a better job... ☺️

      I simply wholeheartedly believe that social media brings out the absolute worst in people and is a pale imitation for real social interaction.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng .!.
      Worst in people by what means? I post and share and don't a fuck about likes and comments? My friends do the same. See them as medium for interaction and social whereabouts, don't base your life on it. Why do you care about anyone? Or anything?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng .!.
      Btw, I actually love Elon Musk. Real life Iron Man. 🤷🏻‍♂️
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Tesla / Eng
      embedder

      Tesla Eng

      BIO
      Interested in all things embedded systems
      embeddermore
      For the same reason that you care enough to defensively reply to a strangers post on the internet right now. Whether you like to admit it or not, it’s human nature. Can’t change it.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng .!.
      It's a human thing. Not Facebook's fault. All set. Good to go bruh.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Fitbit SUperfit
      It’s not whether FB brings people together - it does at a giant cost.

      it’s the absolute lies and hubris from your leaders and ceo. Being duplicitous is how your leaders chose to roll and we vote with our feet. I’m off facebook and a lot happier for it. I do use WhatsApp but my life is better without facebook!

      -Events - paperless post
      Business white pages- google!
      -Video chat - google or Skype
      -Buying things local: craigslist or Nextdoor
      - restaurant reviews - yelp
      - casual voyeurism- don’t fucking care I’d rather work out
      - streaming content - ummmm Netflix or Hulu or HBO GO
      - events - Eventbrite, stubhub Ticketmaster

      The list goes on, why do I need 1 low quality site when I can get stuff done through specialized sites?

      Oh and don’t get me started on facebook getting into the jobs and dating game - laughable...

      Facebook lost major trust when it didn’t take a stand and acknowledge its own misuse of power a few years ago - it took congress to step in? WTF???

      And all the while printing money and paying employees tons of money, so of course they drink the kool aid.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Tesla / Eng
      embedder

      Tesla Eng

      BIO
      Interested in all things embedded systems
      embeddermore
      “It’s not whether FB brings people together - it does it at a giant cost.”

      Well said, and I think that’s the point some people here are missing. There’s increasingly overwhelming evidence that all of this is taking a significant toll on mental health - especially for younger folks growing up in the middle of it.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Oracle 38
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    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn DelineCion
    I really enjoy stalking my ex, my rivals, and old friends I secretly hate on Instagram. It’s a big source of entertainment and I love judging them quietly. That’s kind of useful in a way.
    Aug 10, 2018 1
    • Facebook EfThD
      This ^ But I find LinkedIn more useful when seeking validation.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • New bKWB01
    Uber people talk about culture 🤦‍♂️Facebook is below the bar
    Aug 10, 2018 3
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      We are talking about external impact, not internal culture.
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Amazon lkjhgfdsap
      As much as Uber’s culture blows, they do have external impact. Facebook... not so much.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      vBiW66

      Facebook Eng

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      A lot of drivers don't like Uber. They feel that you have too much control over pricing and your commissions are too high.

      Sure, Facebook has issues with fake news but we are aware of that. We are trying to fix that. Facebook has helped so many people connect. It has let so many small businesses grow.

      Do you think Netflix has no real world impact since people waste time on it?

      OP is just mad at the comment that the other FB blind user made. I agree that comment is not appropriate.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Ops
    Insomzonia

    Amazon Ops

    BIO
    I’m the reason you’re here.
    Insomzoniamore
    Excuse me sir but TC?
    Aug 10, 2018 2
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      lol
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Malde
      Rotfl
      Aug 10, 2018
  • Way back in 2010 when Facebook was still evolving and I was sitting somewhere in east coast on a chilly night of Jan with a coworker: I said trust me in few years a study will come out that Facebook makes people depressed.

    I believe in 2013 a study came out confirming the same.

    What both Facebook and Instagram do is glorify people who are absolutely horrible from within to feel that yes they have 600 friends and each pic of theirs get 100’s of likes confirming. That yes they are all well liked and loved.

    If you see a trend most honest and real people have absolute genuine number of friends which is under 60 while all fake ones have 400+ friends and you see their life is completely revolving around likes and comments.

    Check it out on instagram and see most likes are from people you wouldn’t even know.

    Why?
    Aug 10, 2018 5
    • Reddit DzrI52
      I like where you’re going with this
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Facebook Dr. Dobbs
      Got a link to that study?
      Aug 10, 2018
    • Facebook EfThD
      The name of the boy who conducted the study - Albert Einstein
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Aug 12, 2018
    • Facebook Dr. Dobbs
      Yes, that's what I expected. As you can see from reading those studies, there's a difference between interacting with others on Facebook (posting, messaging, liking), and passively consuming content. Interacting with others actually does the opposite of what you said, it reduces those negative feelings.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    sergey

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sergeymore
    It is usefull to keep me connected to my bullie highschool colleagues and to remember them, from time to time, that I'm making 🌲fiddy while they live paycheck to paycheck.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
    There are two different major ways to look at Facebook’s impact - one as a product and one as a business.

    As a product Facebook is really a set of tools for one to one communication, one to many communication, and many to many communication. And in this case communication is broadly defined as it encompasses various shared experiences. This set of tools also hugely reduced the cost and friction of information flow shrinking geographic and time zone divides.

    While one can argue that humanity is better without having this set of tools, it is a pretty shaky argument. It eventually leads to claiming that we are all better living in nature in the forest watching women die in child birth, children die from minor infections without antibiotics and even a minor accident being fatal for everyone.

    All tools can be misused and society needs time to adjust especially when technical progress is very fast. “Fake news” is an interesting example. The communication tools enable return to more direct form of democracy than we had since ancient Greece by reducing costs and connecting people. Suddenly we were back to a town square with 1000s of voices that can be heard instead a few amplified, filtered voices (traditional media). I would argue that long term that is very good for humanity but we need time to adjust and leverage this. We now get posts, photos, tweets which are unfiltered perception or opinion describing events we care about vs 7pm news.

    Facebook as a business has been incredibly positive for society. You can look at FBs revenue, multiply it by ~100 and that is the direct economic development that FB enabled. The lower cost and friction exchange of goods and services combined with almost negligible barrier to entry allowed businesses to flourish that before couldn’t. That resulted in 100,000s of new jobs and that economic impact being distributed in the communities where people are employed.
    Aug 11, 2018 13
    • Oscar / Eng Flatiron
      In your second point, are you saying that fb is more effective at advertising than anything before it? Or do you mean something else? A concrete example would help :)
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
      Animay - I have had this discussion a few times before so I skipped the intermediate steps. I don’t think it is that difficult to follow and fill them in :)

      But since you are having problems:

      1. Facebook the product is a set of communication tools
      2. People argue that these particular tools make society worse off using personal anecdotes and examples of misuse
      3. That argument is countered by examples of misuse of virtually every tool made by humanity
      4. This forces people to argue against tools in general and for some preferred optimal natural state
      5. The argument ends with disagreement about properties of that natural state

      Flatiron - basically before Facebook targeting small local interest based audience was impossible. Your options were junk mail (via geo region or a list of addresses you paid to access), radio, newspaper classifieds or local TV. The barrier to entry was high either because of the cost of creative/media or because you were paying for audience largely uninterested in your product. That meant that producing a product/service that was valued by small number of people was very hard.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Illumina Animay
      I’m not having problems. I just think you’re crazy biased. I never argued with anything you said. I just don’t like Facebook. I find it has no value for me. You can love it. That’s fine. But you’re crazy biased.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
      Animay - instead of saying “crazy” or “crazy biased” try to explain your argument and show why you disagree with what I said.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Illumina Animay
      Good lord. He speaks of Facebook as if it’s his one true love. That’s why I say he’s biased. He’s practically writing poetry here.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
      Animay - ok you just don’t have anything to say :) I appreciate good trolling but yours is at “intern trying to check in his first diff” level.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Amazon / Design !==!
      Solid points about the communications platform. Agreed. It also enabled this broader communication ability with a deeper verification of identity—because, arguably, AOL and Usenet facilitated similar interactions, but without any real identity aspect.

      The business angle is...well, I’d like to believe that FB’s influence is that exponential and that evenly distributed but you’d have to post some data that demonstrates what exactly you’re claiming. Not saying this isn’t true, and I realize the numbers aren’t that easily acquired, but what new jobs have been created? What barriers to entering a market have fallen because of FB that weren’t already removed by eBay or Amazon?
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Illumina Animay
      Nah. I think we’re better living in nature in the forest watching women die in child birth.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
      Animay - just stop. At this point you are embarrassing yourself. Once you have a partner and you watch her give birth - then try to make that joke.

      !==! - I will give a short version of this argument and use simplified function for each company, but happy to clarify any part of it. Vast majority of commerce happens offline (>95%) and EBay and Amazon marketplaces primarily focus on ecommerce. These two companies are operationally excellent and are focused on stocking inventory, processing payment, shipping efficiently, and customer service. That part of the transaction is referred to as order fulfillment and is the lowest part of the marketing funnel. Facebook focuses on passive product discovery (demand generation) and Google focuses on active product discovery (demand fulfillment). Both of these companies span online and offline worlds. If you think about businesses that closed near where you live (ethnic restaurant, friendly coffee house, children’s indoor playground, a gym that combined yoga with cardio, etc), the primary reason for failure is inability to drive demand. Some of these businesses maybe poorly run or just provided bad product/service, but vast majority couldn’t get their customers to give them a try. This is where what I said earlier comes into play “basically before Facebook targeting small local interest based audience was impossible. Your options were junk mail (via geo region or a list of addresses you paid to access), radio, newspaper classifieds or local TV. The barrier to entry was high either because of the cost of creative/media or because you were paying for audience largely uninterested in your product. That meant that producing a product/service that was valued by small number of people was very hard.” Facebook enabled many more of these businesses to succeed. There is a plenty of studies on this - https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/technology-media-telecommunications/deloitte-uk-global-economic-impact-of-facebook.pdf, but I find larger macro economic argument easier to see.

      Additionally people misunderstand why Facebook and Google make so much profit. People think it has something to do with having market share (aka monopoly argument), but in reality it is because they generate unique economical benefit for which all alternatives are significantly more expensive. Both Google and Facebook sell every ad impression they have and don’t actually set the price (it is set by what the buyers want to bid in an auction). The buyers bid that much because every alternative available to them (newspapers, TV, radio, ad networks, etc) is way more expensive or way less effective. The monopoly argument for profit applies only when the monopolists artificially limits supply to increase prices. If Bing and Google had 50/50 share of US search market - they would just split the money Google makes down the middle and prices would remain roughly where they are.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Amazon / Design !==!
      Got it! And thanks for that detailed response—wish I could give a longer response myself to demonstrate my appreciation :-)

      But yeah, when you lay it out like that, I totally agree. We’re probably just scratching the surface of what the capabilities are here. It’s been funny to watch Amazon struggle with discovery—because they truly have no idea how to do it, and the data continues to show that most customers just search for what they want, add to cart, and maybe get some related products.

      Nearly all Amazon innovations have something to do with logistics or delivery. Which is great! They do well there. But that’s only one part of blending the digital with the physical. I’m intrigued with how far Facebook can take the “connection” paradigm.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Oath OPnd70
    They brought the world FOMO and lots of it.
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft TycoB
    Zuckerberg sold people the lie of connecting them very cleverly. He instead made them miserable and harvested their data to become a shekel-billionaire
    Aug 10, 2018 1
    • Facebook / Eng .!.
      You got to give him credit. Lol he did a pretty good job using your silly photos and cat videos. 😂
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Illumina Animay
    Facebook is destroying the world via fake news and politics. The connections it brings are mostly empty.

    I quit facebook. I was surprised by how much better life is without it. I call old friends when I experience major life events rather than expect they’ll pick it up on Facebook. I find myself more connected with people who matter to me.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
    Delabate

    New Eng

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    This is fun
    Delabatemore
    I think it’s just made us aware that humans pretty ignorant and will believe anything that’s that’s shown as fact.
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon WACC
    If Facebook never existed, our lives would be actually better. It has been one of the most destructive "innovations" in human history.

    However, I cannot imagine a world without Google or Amazon. I remember what internet searches were like before Google; it was not pretty. Most of the searches yielded irrelevant results, and I would have to use multiple browsers to get anything close to a good search result. Even Uber has improved my life for the better. I remember living in big cities before Uber and having to wait to grab a cab and often get into arguments with drivers who would try to rip me off.
    Aug 21, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng LastMan
    This is such a stupid post. 98% percent of techies don't decide on a job because of the "influence" it has on people/society which is different than impact. They care about other things, mostly selfish needs. Only then, and only then, after they have started working there do they formulate some argument to prove their existence is worthwhile and that they are helping humanity. Total bs and facetious thread.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Tesla / Eng
      embedder

      Tesla Eng

      BIO
      Interested in all things embedded systems
      embeddermore
      Everything you said is exactly true, but I don’t think that makes the post stupid - only biased. The question should really be posed toward everyone rather than Facebook.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Fitbit Lagerman
    10000% agree the hubris of facebook employees is off the charts given the negative force the site creates.

    I’m not on the work at facebook feel like a sheep train and work at a giant homogenous campus. Poll anyone there why they work at facebook and it’s generally surface reasons.

    I’d rather build something creative with positive effects ( Fitbit we help people manage weight, get healthy and fit ) and a purpose - driven mission and still make great money.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Uber buddhu
      OP
      you get it, sir. all the best wishes to you and your company
      Aug 11, 2018
  • New bKWB01
    Wall Street gainz
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Capital One / Eng
    60%

    Capital One Eng

    BIO
    death by onions and peppers
    60%more
    Nothing our species has done has brought a single good thing to this planet.
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Design !==!
    It’s not all bad, but I’ve kept friendships with far-off friends without it.

    As for the people, many of the FB folks I meet are great. Not all though, the designers in the Seattle office I encountered were smug little shits.
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    asdesigned

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    asdesignedmore
    Here is the good that Nest has brought into the world: https://nestpowerproject.withgoogle.com/

    Many people spend 20-50% of their income on energy bills. Some who are in poverty must choose between eating and paying for electricity and heating.

    Nest creates products that reduce this burden, and works with energy suppliers in low income areas to give free Nest Thermostats to them, which intelligently manages their heating and cooling to reduce cost and become more efficient.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng
      asdesigned

      Google Eng

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      asdesignedmore
      Nest Thermostats also made up for 5% of lost energy capacity during the solar eclipse by reducing power usage along the solar eclipse’s path. Effectively saving ~7 power plant’s worth of energy during that time.

      https://vimeo.com/263705955
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Amazon #MyHashtag
    Aug 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon Kxqy63
    Uber does not seriously review the background of drivers and has led to violent crimes and murders of passengers. Uber has attracted tons of illegal immigrants as drivers who are illiterate and speak funny English. The routes you recommend are not optimized when traffic is bad. People do not spend lots of time on Uber but when they do, it could be a click to danger and disappointing experience. Deal with your own problems before all cities reverse back to Vegas mode which does not allow Uber.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Tesla / Eng
    embedder

    Tesla Eng

    BIO
    Interested in all things embedded systems
    embeddermore
    You can ask this question for a lot of big tech. Not all of it - there’s some good here and there - but most of it is pretending to be something it isn’t.
    Aug 11, 2018 0

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