What happened to old fashioned flame and tech wars online?

New Ab44
Sep 8 22 Comments

Now every discussion online(not only here) seems to be about compensation, new VC hipster products like AirBNB for dogs or SWJ inclusive stuff at some company

I miss the old days when you read Slashdot and an article about a new Java release would get 400 comments how much Java sucks or how anyone ever could work for IBM or Sun. Now people are gladly working at companies like Palantir or Facebook that is totally against the typical silicon valley hacker philosophy of open source and rational debate.

Seems like the new (5-10 years since) type of students are more career and product types than enjoying those nerdy discussions, what do you think?

Look at this video with Steve jobs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-tKLISfPE , never saw someone asking Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos such stuff

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  • Google
    kielbasa

    Google

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    Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft
    kielbasamore
    Tech has taken mainstream society and the pool of tech workers has mushroomed. It’s not only tech nerds anymore, but people who get into tech for the career opportunities and who are less interested technological side and more interested in the societal impact. So yes, tech conversations have changed a lot.
    Sep 8 5
    • New Ab44
      OP
      Yeah some of those new guys haven't even compiled their own kernel on their linux laptop with LILO multi boot or been running a server outside AWS

      so sad
      Sep 8
    • Facebook stopmiring
      Or wasnt born in 1960s, you gotta be a real moron to compile your own kernel nowadays with the wide variety of VMs, containers and cloud providers
      Sep 8
    • Microsoft unfanged
      Gatekeeping much?
      Sep 8
    • New Ab44
      OP
      it's about trying for the sake of trying... that part seems to be gone
      Sep 10
    • Google
      kielbasa

      Google

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      Amazon, Yahoo, Microsoft
      kielbasamore
      I’m pretty sure those people who compile their own Linux kernels are still around and their numbers are the same. It’s just there are a lot more people doing other stuff, so proportionally it seems their are fewer hard core geeks.
      Sep 10
  • Facebook / Eng e999
    Facebook against open source? What are you smoking?

    Have you seen our github projects? React? Open compute?

    Maybe you should turn your brain on from time to time..
    Sep 8 3
    • Amazon Vulgar
      I have no brain, you insensitive clod!
      Sep 8
    • This was my first thought, Facebook might be one of the biggest contributors to open source or at least maintaining some of the most significant projects.

      Regardless, silicon valley was never about open source so it's a ridiculous argument to begin with.
      Sep 8
    • New Ab44
      OP
      Yeah they publish some stuff for sure, I more meant the people going there and hiring for some generic developer roles. There aren't much talk of joining the React or Kubernetes team as such
      Sep 10
  • Money happened. So now we are stuck with a kazillion mercenaries with no love for the craft. Waiting for a recession to flush out the fools
    Sep 8 2
    • Amazon Vulgar
      They left in dotCom crash.
      They didn’t leave in the Great Recession.

      Doubtful they’ll leave this next time. They have no marketable skills and they’ve gotten awfully good at becoming indispensable, peddling things like Scrum, SAFe, PMP certifications, etc. this is a damned easy job and the higher ups have no sense of how it gets done.
      Sep 8
    • Apple ld24a0743
      Recession didn’t hit tech too much. Especially compared to the dot com crash that specifically targeted tech
      Sep 8
  • Amazon Vulgar
    Take off the rose colored glasses, friend.

    Slash for circa 1999 was a fuckton of people decrying how “easy” things had gotten with Windows, Perl, PHP, and HTML letting non-programmers into the cathedral.

    All the 1337 crowd was truly good at was tribalism and arguing, caring nothing about the User, who ya know...paid the fucking bills. “Linux on the desktop” is still a joke 20 years later because the “many eyes” couldn’t do the hard, tedious shit necessary to make good experiences.

    I love what’s come out of F/OSS. But it’s really an anomaly, and it’ll be interesting to see how things evolve in the next 20 years as the founders retire/die.
    Sep 8 3
    • Agreed. The same slashdot elitism and arrogance was rampant in computer science departments back then. People were definitely more passionate about their stuff then. On the other hand I am certain none of these new kids really care for the user which is if caring for the user didn’t pay these stratospheric tech salaries none one would give a fick. Tech is basically the new investment banking. No one is in it for the craft, everyone is here for the $
      Sep 8
    • Amazon Vulgar
      Fair. I never thought I’d be making so much money.

      There are definitely people in the industry (not developers, but the periphery) pulling down scratch who couldn’t care less. Maybe that’s fine, and a sign of maturity?
      Sep 8
    • New Ab44
      OP
      My point is not about specific tech, but the debate and community itself. I enjoy reading this tech fighting, regardless of what. Things was easier or harder before, depending on how you count

      It just feels like the latest years devs aren't as passionate about those things but care more about the latest VC hipster growth product
      Sep 10
  • Salesforce / Eng namehere1
    Please kindly get off your “I’m the OG better than you” elitist horse.
    Sep 8 1
    • New Ab44
      OP
      It's not that at all, was more a general observation how the typical coder type has shifted
      Sep 10
  • Bank of America / Product Quacky
    "Typical silicon valley hacker philosophy of open source..." 🤔
    Sep 8 1
  • Lyft done2
    Oh it’s absolutely become a debased culture out here.

    Remember when the mantra used to be “information wants to be free”

    We went from that to monopolized companies that are propaganda arms for the deep state. We went from do no evil, to pure evil
    Sep 8 0

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