What is corporate politics? How to identify, how to stay immune? Recently started career but want to be aware of it.

Google sQlO48
May 23 199 Comments

I just see everything going good. I'm too native ☹️

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  • Google
    AIMLOK

    Google

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    I once served 5TB
    AIMLOKmore
    You know it's politics when doing the right thing isn't the optimal thing.
    May 23 12
    • Airbnb
      airnemia

      Airbnb

      BIO
      We're talking about homes. We're talking about homes. We ain't talking about the trip.
      airnemiamore
      Aren’t the right and optimal things both just maximizing TC?
      May 24
    • Google
      AIMLOK

      Google

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      I once served 5TB
      AIMLOKmore
      Cracking the coding interview and leetcode didn't prepare us for this
      May 24
    • Chase / Eng ミ●﹏☉ミ
      Well said Aimlok! 👏👏👏
      May 24
    • Wells Fargo / Eng ostrich1
      When the paperwork for a task takes longer than the task. My team spends a lot of time dealing with the ever changing bureaucracy. Yes, it's a bank, but no, duplicate process is never required.
      May 24
    • IBM ApSI70
      @Google, I’ll prepare you ... I learned from the best
      May 24
    • New / Eng
      Psynaptic

      New Eng

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      Working on Brain Machine Interfaces
      Psynapticmore
      That's not necessarily internal politics, that's just business.
      May 24
    • Facebook / Eng
      baldnshort

      Facebook Eng

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      Facebook
      baldnshortmore
      Maybe OP is just a native
      May 24
    • Seagate toti420
      Go to meetings, sit in the back with a bag of popcorn and observe. You’ll understand office politics in no time.
      May 25
    • DocuSign owkdlajw
      Couldn’t agree more. You got the point
      May 25
    • Microsoft / Eng
      OneMSBlind

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      OneMSBlindmore
      ... when doing the right thing isn't in your best interest.
      May 26
  • Politics is when your superiors get positive credit for shit they don't really know and when they don't get noticed for how little they really know.
    May 23 3
  • Intel / Eng CoryP
    Is there a lot of that at Google? I got the impression that overall the politics were pretty lighthearted compared to other companies.
    May 24 15
    • Glassdoor mdcn
      Lol, well said G
      May 24
    • Google / Eng relprime
      I disagree. There are lots of politics. And many of the higher level folks use the lower level folks as pawns in their political games -- especially lower level women or anyone else who is in a vulnerable position socially due to stereotypes or whatnot.
      This is why Google has issues with just about every single group that is in some way different than the average upper manager.
      Maybe it's not any worse than other tech companies 🤷 but it's pretty bad.
      May 24
    • Target Ietd76
      I’ve found “corporate politics” to mostly be social politics. I’ve certainly met cunning/talented/genuine people who participate in politics in a fair, ethical and productive way—but I have met more people whose success has come directly from their friendships, or disregard for lifting other people up.
      May 24
    • New / Eng discreet
      Politics is Strategy combined with Emotion and Survival.
      May 24
    • Google DWaU03
      Google is 120.000 people. I find it disturbing when people use a single data point from their experience to generalize to the entire company.. I personally find Google devoid of politics based on my single data point
      May 24
    • Google / Eng relprime
      @dwau03 - I think that is why the walkout and the sit-in happened. Because the people fortunate enough to escape the problems don't realize what's happening and that makes it even harder for the folks encountering problems.
      May 24
    • Dell LUHV04
      Can you give some examples of politics at google ?
      May 25
    • Google splB80
      Googlers who joined Google as their first jobs and stayed, are in some way, spoiled. Politic shit storms come in never ending waves is norm in most of big corporations.
      May 25
    • Google / Eng relprime
      Not sure if that was aimed at me. Joined Google quite late in my career. It's more political than what I've dealt with at other places.
      It feels like everyone is trying to create a narrative to further their goals. We're all just a cast of characters forced into roles instead of just doing work being valued for what we bring to the table.
      If you're cast in a role that's close to who you are, then it's not really a problem. But, I keep getting stereotyped and cast in a role that is nothing like who I am. People assume that I'm at a very different place in my career with completely different skills. I'm constantly having to fight off false narratives. And sadly, I can't just keep my head down and ignore it because this impacts collaboration and even what work I have in the first place. It wasn't like this before.
      May 25
    • Facebook OlUncle
      I worked at G for a long time and have onboarded many senior xooglers, so, yes, I probably know the company better than you do.
      May 25
  • Google todamoon
    if you're lucky, you won't see much of it. if you're unlucky, you'll know what it is very quickly.
    May 24 2
    • Amazon bHXi80
      I think I was unlucky....
      May 24
    • Amazon / Eng srd
      Patpat
      May 24
  • Microsoft scarypanda
    politics is a skill that you need to master if you want to grow in your career
    May 23 3
    • Sorry, but I don't agree.

      It really depends on what individuals perceive "growing" as.
      Growth is:
      - power/position/title for some,
      - money for the most,
      - sense of accomplishment or learning for some (also harshly categorized as losers by bullies).

      Without politics, many things can be achieved in life, but not everyone has liberty to do what they love.
      May 24
    • Google / Eng relprime
      LaCroix!! Yes!! So much. Yes.
      May 24
    • IBM ApSI70
      For power, position, title as LaCroix mentioned it helps you navigate and doing it with respect is paramount as it requires leadership ... but for money, accomplishment, etc ... fuck politics ... just do you (and maybe transfer to a company that values you more for being you — proper culture fit helps here)

      There was another post somewhere about mission/product vs comp/culture in regards to Elon Musk. Gives you another perspective ...
      May 24
  • Bank of America aiminghigh
    Politics is just people making sure they get the most out of their career. Just realize everyone else is a person and is going to make good/bad and logical/emotional decisions and you’ll be fine
    May 23 0
  • Hertz !XXX!
    Do what is right for the job. Do not argue with people. Be nice with everybody. Do not spend time trying to catch attention of VP/Exec. Do not cheap talk or talk in the back of people. This is how you stay out of politics.
    May 24 5
    • Microsoft grm
      You can do the "right thing" and take appropriate credit for it to get vp/exec attention. That is just smart and not politics.
      May 24
    • Hertz !XXX!
      I do agree Microsoft. In this case, you get attention for your action. You do not spend time on trying to “catch” attention for small things or actions that are not yours for example.
      May 24
    • Microsoft toind
      Sometimes you have to be a vocal advocate for yourself, even to get fair credit. On the one hand, If you’re doing the right thing then you should also not shirk from standing up for yourself/ looking to safeguard your own work. OTOH Sadly this sometimes turns into a slippery slope.
      May 24
    • Apple mNueH
      What terrible advice. This is how you end up with low TC and working at Hertz
      May 24
    • Capital One NightMarch
      @mNueH or maybe you should be a decent human being who's life's value isn't validated by how much money they make and how much s***t they can talk on anonymous digital platforms. This disgusting sentiment is literally what is wrong with the world today and yeah... I work at a bank.
      May 24
  • Google / Eng pm / modi
    It's the euphemism for licking something.
    May 23 2
    • T-Mobile PjPA62
      Ass

      The word you are looking for is ass
      May 24
    • Cision YoHl60
      😂
      May 24
  • Microsoft / Eng YVvj14
    First level manages who don't write code. Get out if this applies to you.
    May 24 16
    • Walmart.com yobo
      The job of a leader is to enable people. You can do it with code (write frameworks, write tools) or by providing motivation, direction etc.
      May 25
    • Facebook AyyoLeMayo
      Microsoft managers are different from other companies, some are even expected to write code
      May 25
    • Amazon / Eng msfalg
      @LazyGuy 1st level manager who doesn’t code spotted. 😂
      May 26
    • DigitalOcean wwDOdo
      Seriously. I don’t want a manager that codes. The ones I’ve had are a pain in the ass who think they know everything and then impose that shit on you. “My way is right”.

      You can’t be expected to write code if you manage a team of people because most of your day is getting pulled into meetings with other people who want something from your team. If you get to code you’ll become a bottleneck. Your job as a manager is to keep shit like politics away from your team.
      May 26
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Agree with digitalocean, maybe the manger can do code reviews if he has enough time, but no point in sharing the coding burden, the point is he will always be distracted and pulled out of context, so his managerial code will be crap, but all others will be nice and play along, without pointing him to his mistakes (the manager will simply lack the time to understand all code base, so his code will be correct at small scale and wrong for long term and large scale)
      May 26
    • AnchorFree 🍪 cookie
      Keep the politics away from the team, plus prioritize properly, and estimate efforts correctly, push back to other teams and PMs who demand too much. That's an ideal manager from my point of view.
      May 26
    • Google / Eng relprime
      Agree with wwDOdo.
      Management is a completely different skillset from doing technical work.

      The worst managers that I've had have been ones who are insecure. This doesn't bode well for any ICs under them who are more technical than them. It's very limiting for the team.

      The best managers that I've had know their strengths and weaknesses and empower their people. Managers don't need to have answers to technical issues. They just need to know who on their team does know and then pave the way for them.
      May 28
    • Coinbase hBpg61
      A line manager who is newly promoted from IC and is filling the “technical lead manager” type role might be expected to code, but if they are progressing in their career, they should stop coding after 6 months - 1 year. If they are still coding, they are likely not focused on their managerial/leadership duties. Of course, this depends on the size of the company, the kind or product/service, the politics of the company, etc. but in my experience, managers who code tend not to be good managers. It’s even worse if they had an inexperienced leader tell them they had to code, so then they try to do both and can’t focus on their managerial responsibilities in a way that shelters their team and ensures that they are getting everything they need to succeed, including developing their skills and careers, org efficiency, recruiting/hiring, performance management, etc.
      May 29
    • Coinbase hBpg61
      “First line managers that don't write code can't make ad-hoc techically decisions that shield their team.” First of all, first line managers shouldn’t be making ad-hoc technical decisions. Perhaps this makes sense in an org where great coders and architects get promoted to manager as part of a career path, but I think that companies like Salesforce have it right by differentiating managers and ICs. Your principal and very senior ICs should be making technical decisions that shield your team, while the manager should be navigating organizational processes in a way that shields the team, either by getting the resources they need, keeping them from doing more work than they can handle, or getting impediments out of the way. If that first line manager was an experienced engineer themselves, then they will need to learn to delegate and coach their reports on how to keep them up to date on what’s relevant for them to do their job and ensure the team’s success. That is the huge challenge at every level of management. And team members who see their manager as someone who (by nature of being technical) should absorb what they are doing by osmosis after being in meetings all day (not practical) should think about why org structure exists. They should learn about the different roles and responsibilities of each role and level that fits together to make an organization successful.
      May 29
    • Navy Federal Credit Union / IT masti
      Coding and managing are two different disciplines. Being a great coder should not be a prerequisite for being a manager. That being said a front line managers should understand what their people do. For a code team that means understanding programming. That does not mean that they should be expert coders or write code. You can’t effectively lead a team if you don’t understand what they do, you may be able compensate for your deficit in other ways or your team may be able to, but either way you will not be able to serve your team in an optimal fashion. As you move to more senior levels of management the coding skills do become less though.
      Jun 3
  • Uber Mandrakes
    I would avoid to an extreme to engage in gossip. Do not ask about it, don’t comment, don’t listen. Just keep doing what you think is right. Try to understand why people disagree with you. Speak the truth when asked, and try to be kind. You’ll be fine.
    May 24 1
    • Riot Games
      ifbx7474

      Riot Games

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      ifbx7474more
      Best advice here for early career people
      May 25
  • Amazon bingming
    Have you ever seen a project done in a very complicated manner then all of the sudden the engineer that led that project gets promoted? That’s corporate politics
    May 24 2
    • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
      It gets even "better" at Intel: the manager that fucks the project/org the hardest gets promoted the highest.
      May 24
    • Amazon !JeffBezos
      Promotion Oriented Design
      May 25
  • Adobe tydiggins
    Politics is finding synergy across orgs and bringing awareness to those realities through the lens of the customer.

    Then ruthlessly working to eliminate those who would rather have stagnant fiefdoms than work towards customer outcomes through leverage aligned with overall strategy.
    May 24 7
    • Microsoft / Eng YVvj14
      You sound like a product manager who has way too highly an option of the impact that you have.
      May 24
    • Apple mNueH
      Lmao @tydjggins is absolutely a PM
      May 24
    • Adobe tydiggins
      Definitely have "way too highly an option of the impact I have". You probably really hate Python because of strict whitespace enforcement and love node.js but have no concept of the difference between prototypical inheritance and classical OOP inheritance.
      May 24
    • Microsoft / Eng YVvj14
      Are those buzz words in your PM cheat sheet? Not really sure how else my language preferences are relavent. If I'm being honest you're right I do dislike python :p (completely wrong about the other stuff though).
      May 24
    • Adobe tydiggins
      Happy to be wrong on the latter. Too many eng interview candidates lately that lack fundamentals :p (Python rules though).

      Was just picking apart your incorrect word choice of option. Cynical humor begets cynical humor.

      Good people do politics so others can do their job with minimal fuckery and fight against duplicate and/or lazy efforts around the company (if it is inside the same group or worse product then things are well fucked). People "failing upwards" is what causes so much political turmoil.
      May 24
    • Microsoft / Eng YVvj14
      I can respect that their are political plays made for the good of organizations. My snarky reply was in the spirit of the negative "politics" connotation in OP's question.
      May 24
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      I never understand the actual implications of such rhetoric. If Adobe is what I will have to become eventually in future if I continue in software engineering, I would rather switch to data science. Thanks for the inspiration tydiggins
      May 26
  • Google
    AIMLOK

    Google

    BIO
    I once served 5TB
    AIMLOKmore
    Ask this question at TGIF. Wear your noogler hat.
    May 24 1
    • Google Methane
      Lol like "rabid Noogler"
      May 24
  • American Express vista133
    I don't do politics, I do what I believe is right for the company, I dont lick anyone stuff ... guess what? those who do adopt the opposite behavior get promoted with less leadership, expertise... your choice?
    May 24 0
  • Target / Data Jediy
    Politics is when someone does the work and someone else takes the credit. Politics is when one deserves promotion but the other lazy one gets the promotion. Politics is when you are forced to follow your senior despite you having all evidences that your opinion is the right one. Politics is when the culture promotes people based on "who" you know rather than "what" you know. Politics reminds me of toxic Walmart environment in Bentonville Arkansas. It kills creativity, kills innovation, kills enthusiasm, and leaves your company with filthy political people good for nothing!
    May 24 3
    • New / Eng EzcI23
      How to deal with gossipers and seniors who are taking the credit of the work you did?
      May 24
    • Target / Data Jediy
      I wish I knew. I became victim of politics and eventually just found a better place to work, where I'm more challenged, and more learned because of solving those tough problems. Honestly, you can't change the company culture. You can just do yourself a favor and find a new job!
      May 24
    • Nvidia tronp
      Wonderfully summed up.
      May 24
  • Google g4ndu
    I cannot recommend this book enough to identify the most common "power play" politics and how you can protect against it. https://amzn.to/2HzsRIl
    May 24 3
    • LinkedIn 🚽🚰☑️
      +1
      I've read this book and it's good. One note of warning, you'll need to conciously practice a lot to reflect and identify things for a while before you start identifying the patterns more naturally
      May 24
    • IBM ApSI70
      Right on @LinkedIn
      May 24
    • New / IT ew18
      Honestly it is a good book, but I am afraid that a lot of its stuff will be applied by people. It is nice to protect yourself against these techniques, but when you see other people are using it, 0 value added.
      May 25
  • Microsoft toind
    In general, understand peoples wants needs goals motivations, do not assume they will be selfless and team oriented, and notice how their actions result in outcomes for themselves or particular others. Learn the rules of the game, and take whatever actions needed to keep yourself out of it (if you prefer to remain “clean”). Try to keep your soul alive though if you can — this means both not yielding to temptation and not getting into the habit of expecting/assuming ill intent on the part of others. Act as if everyone is honest but be prepared to defend yourself and your interests within the realms of integrity.
    May 24 3
    • LinkedIn nubody
      Dude what happened to you? It is awesome that you are still staying positive after all.
      May 24
    • Microsoft toind
      Er what?
      I meant the above to be practical advice for those inclined towards notions of idealism (like op appears to be, and like myself), not necessarily to reflect any personal trauma or bitterness :) I’ve had my share of shitty situations but not too hung up about any of it luckily.
      May 24
    • New / Mgmt
      FourHrWkWk

      New Mgmt

      PRE
      EY, IBM, Financial Times, Google
      BIO
      Founder with Interests in investing, energy, crypto, cannabis, tech. Multiple startups, I enjoy mentoring entrepreneurs.
      FourHrWkWkmore
      “not getting into the habit of expecting/assuming ill intent on the part of others”. 👏
      May 25
  • Sirius XM Yndnd
    Politics is anything that doesn’t involve getting something done that clearly benefits the business. Scenarios that there are justification for but maybe you disagree with don’t count—politics is the stuff that you spot when nearly everyone who isn’t political looks at it and says, in disbelief, “what is this” or “why would we do that.”

    Politics is empire building, reorgs that appear to have no meaningful business purpose, people getting promoted for things other than merit, people who get crapped on despite doing a good job, people who take credit for things they did not do, brown nosing superiors, intentional complexity when simplicity will suffice or be better, change for the sake of change, perpetuating or implementing bad processes, and making decisions that don’t put the company first.

    Rise above the BS and do what you think is right. If doing that gets you in trouble, it’s time to move on to somewhere where there is less BS.
    May 24 6
    • Adobe tydiggins
      Some people have to play politics to provide space for people to do what is right. Find managers who strive to create that space and don't have patience for groups that try and validate their existence through process and complexity. Most people don't want to play these games and it sucks that they are needed but that is just how it goes.
      May 24
    • Sirius XM Yndnd
      I agree that people sometimes have to play that game even when they don’t want to and that having people protect their directs and chain of command below them is very helpful.

      The best line of command is having two or three levels above you of people who know how to play the game if needed but operate in a “no BS” mode by default. I hate politics because it’s a monumental waste of my time but when people play it with me, I play as dirty but by the book as possible so they know not to even try next time.
      May 24
    • Google sQlO48
      OP
      By playing by the book, what do you mean? Some elaboration, examples?
      May 24
    • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
      You just described Intel.
      May 25
    • New / Mgmt
      FourHrWkWk

      New Mgmt

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      EY, IBM, Financial Times, Google
      BIO
      Founder with Interests in investing, energy, crypto, cannabis, tech. Multiple startups, I enjoy mentoring entrepreneurs.
      FourHrWkWkmore
      I think those aren’t politics so much as the traits of a sinking company. And yes, do what’s right in cooperation with others.
      May 25
    • Intel / Eng mr_pleb
      Politics is one of the reasons companies are sinking.
      May 25
  • Amazon Biggles
    If you think you are bad at politics, remain an IC, and get your promotions by switching jobs.

    Also, don’t worry about your neighbors TC being higher than yours, just whether yours is enough.

    90% of politics is now gone.

    You’ll be happier that way.
    May 25 2
  • Microsoft idknbd
    There's no such thing as being immune to politics
    May 24 1
    • Zillow Group ckrbsgjly
      Thank you. If you think you "don't do politics" like some people have claimed, you either aren't aware of what that word actually means or you literally don't work with people ever.
      May 24
  • Microsoft not-a-dev
    As a junior engineer, the amount of politics you’ll have to deal with is minimal.

    As you become more senior, and especially if you move into management (people and/or product), politics become inevitable.

    They’re the effect of the fact that most things require getting people to work together who have different ideas, goals, priorities, agendas, beliefs, ways of working... it’s not necessarily a bad thing. The mere existence of politics is a fact of life, and they are even a positive thing if they force you to think about other people (putting yourself in their shoes, understanding where they come from, etc).

    The challenge is to not become an asshole. Become a leader by helping people be successful, finding compromises, fostering ideas. Avoid playing games, thinking selfishly, being sneaky, backstabbing your coworkers, etc.
    May 27 4
    • Apple mNueH
      What if you’re dealing with a sociopath who has no capacity for empathy?
      May 27
    • Microsoft not-a-dev
      Yeah I hear you and that always happens... thick skin, try not to let him/her step over you, but also remember that being collaborative usually wins (and if your company’s culture is like Microsoft’s, you should be rewarded more)
      May 29
    • Apple mNueH
      Really? You should be collaborative with someone who undermines you?
      May 29
    • Microsoft not-a-dev
      No one wins in a war. Someone has to be the adult!
      May 29
  • Capital One / Mgmt
    IamBuying

    Capital One Mgmt

    BIO
    I love people!
    IamBuyingmore
    Where would we be without politics? Likely at war and at each other's throats. The key is making sure your career is advancing and you're not caught holding the bag. A good boss will apriase you of all the players and their “finish them” moves as well as safeguard you from falling into the gruesome trenches.

    If you feel like you don’t know the details you should ask your boss.
    May 24 3
    • Sirius XM Yndnd
      Good lord Capital One must be a hellhole.
      May 24
    • Capital One / Mgmt
      IamBuying

      Capital One Mgmt

      BIO
      I love people!
      IamBuyingmore
      It actually isn't. People are fairly nice but it isn't absent of politics.
      May 25
    • Microsoft Rsbs67
      Politics is literally just people working together. Any time you have people working together on anything, you will have politics. What people usually mean when they say "office politics" is cutthroat/backstabbing company culture, which is completely different.

      Everyone has their own motivations and agendas. They all want something different out of their life or career. Politics happens whenever people come together, and "being good" at politics means different things within different company cultures. At an org who values teamwork, collaboration, and openness, you will get ahead by working well with others, not getting bogged down by "who's idea was it" and helping lift others up. In an org where the culture is cutthroat, behaving as above will get you crushed and taken advantage of.

      Best advice when it comes to office politics is find and office where the things you like doing are valued by the culture, and things you don't like are not valued. This is called culture fit, and is generally more important to your well-being than "TC or GTFO" type thinking.
      May 25
  • Amazon qRyx15
    It can be either positive or negative. It depends on the culture of the organization. It’s simply a combo of human behavior, org behavior, relationships, tenets, and how people use things like influence, authority and information for the benefit of themselves, others or their teams/company. Not sure being immune is possible, but it is possible to retain your integrity and not get involved in negative behaviors.
    May 24 0
  • Chegg OqTx64
    When you feel your trapped in a game you don’t understand how to win the level you’ve encountered politics. To some degree there are politics everywhere you go. The higher up you go the more politics you likely will see. It’s good to be aware of it and hone it as a skill. Just because you use politics doesn’t make it evil as long as your doing what is right for the company and not just to put another notch in the belt. Oh and no matter what make sure to stick to your values and be ethical as well.
    May 24 0
  • Splunk
    habahaba

    Splunk

    BIO
    Engineering
    habahabamore
    You know it is politics when people are singing high praises of shitty ideas.
    May 24 0
  • ConsenSys / Eng dackjorsey
    What’s the book for this? 48 laws of power?
    May 24 3
    • New / IT Captainjak
      That’s an Evil book
      Don’t read this
      May 25
    • New / IT ew18
      You prevent him from read it, but on the otherside some people are using its technique, he needs to understand other people's techniques so he can protect himself. Still it's people choice to use it for good or bad. The idea is we need to understand more about human behaviour and how to create the best culture.
      May 25
    • New / Mgmt
      FourHrWkWk

      New Mgmt

      PRE
      EY, IBM, Financial Times, Google
      BIO
      Founder with Interests in investing, energy, crypto, cannabis, tech. Multiple startups, I enjoy mentoring entrepreneurs.
      FourHrWkWkmore
      Wow I just read the summary. It seemed like 24 good ideas and 24 ways to find yourself in eternal hell. I guess it would be useful to know that some evil people might be using those tactics -
      May 25
  • Google todamoon
    it's how you go from being a cripple who didn't do much to being the king of 7 kingdoms.
    May 24 1
    • Oath OPnd70
      That’s not true, occasionally roll your eyes back at people, and let them die for you.
      May 24
  • Sage ojava
    I believe that most if not all interaction between people is political. With this in mind I think it is best to be equipped to play politics, however you need to approach it with a strong set of personal principles. For me these principles are that I will not snitch to higher ups about individuals (I will speak to larger trends/attitudes), I will try to positively affect my team culture, and I will not attempt to sabotage a colleague. With these things in mind I'm able to engage in workplace politics without being seen as a threat or as overly ambitious.
    May 25 2
    • Sage ojava
      I find it useful to also maintain a secret map of your political environment. Cliques exist that don't necessarily conform to formalized work groupings (especially in larger teams) and typically those groups have one or two main decisionmakers that also connect that clique to others. Being able to influence those people will allow you to reach a whole group. In a team of 45 participants I am tracking 7 distinct cliques and their relationships (understanding this is actually important to my role btw)
      May 25
    • Google / Eng pm / modi
      What role is this?
      May 26
  • Amazon mahalia
    Corporate Politics is a BS culture created by Indian people in the tech industry
    May 24 0
  • Tintri cknW65
    The definition of Corporate politics varies from person to person.
    I would say if your professional growth and learning curve is restricted because of certain people in your workplace, then there is some politics.
    May 24 0
  • Aetna / Mktg VGUB45
    When the less actual work you do, starts to result
    In you doing better at work.
    May 24 0
  • Indeed ventichai
    Read this: https://hbr.org/2017/04/the-4-types-of-organizational-politics

    https://hbr.org/2015/01/office-politics-isnt-something-you-can-sit-out

    Avoid pathologically political organizations: Politics are out of control. Understanding them becomes the job. People are miserable. Important shit doesn’t get done or totally gets missed because people are too busy fighting, competing with one another, and kissing ass.
    May 24 4
    • Citibank weQL15
      Its hard to do that in finance. They literally control Capitol hill
      May 25
    • Indeed ventichai
      Doesn’t mean you have to work for them.
      May 25
    • Citibank weQL15
      They pay well. Lol
      May 25
    • Indeed ventichai
      It’s your soul.
      May 26
  • New / Eng EzcI23
    How to deal with gossipers who talk negative behind your back and seniors who are taking the credit of the work you did?
    May 24 4
    • Sirius XM Yndnd
      Document your work and your wins in such a way that they are fully traceable back to you. Be proactive in sharing what you’re doing and why, not just at review time but at least monthly in whatever regular setting is most appropriate. It may take a little bit for some to spot you as a real contributor but they’ll realize that you are and the others are full of hot air. If the right people aren’t seeing that and you’re doing the above, you’re in a bad spot and it’s time to move.
      May 24
    • Microsoft toind
      I’d add also deliver value to others even in scenarios where you don’t get credit, or there’s nothing in it directly for you. In addition to the goodwill you earn, over time it’ll become increasingly apparent that you’re the go-to person. That kind of cred is hard to disrupt.
      May 24
    • Sirius XM Yndnd
      ☝️solid point. Be a hand raiser and be helpful when it’s the right thing to do for the business, as long as people aren’t taking advantage of you. It gets noticed.
      May 24
    • Yahoo what?!?!
      Still u have to hang out with the folks in power to do that, or u will be ghosted eventually.
      May 25
  • Oath OPnd70
    It’s the Game of Thrones, truly only one can sit in the Iron Throne.
    May 24 3
    • Chegg OqTx64
      You know your doomed when the Halloween theme is GOT and really it isn’t just a Theme ;)
      May 24
    • IBM ApSI70
      @Chegg ... You gave me hope ... going to wear a Red Hat this year
      May 24
    • Dropbox G&A
      Game of thrones is such a good analogy-- red wedding == layoffs,bad acquisition,etc
      May 29
  • Oracle TKvy28
    Politics is what unsuccessful people use to explain their lack of advancement. Everybody thinks they are an all star but few really are
    May 24 2
    • Microsoft toind
      There is some truth to this—often I have seen the least competent complain the most about how it was only due to politics that their careers were held back. This has become even more virulent in the larger ongoing political/cultural debate.
      May 24
    • Navy Federal Credit Union / IT masti
      This guy gets it.
      Jun 3
  • Indeed / Other
    unikorn

    Indeed Other

    PRE
    Google
    BIO
    Nope
    unikornmore
    I Google engineer and writing is hard...
    May 24 1
    • Microsoft / Design kfuevls
      That’s... unhelpful...
      May 25
  • Lyft zz7yqa45
    If there is either a lot of money involved or prestige, there will be politics. The main thing is to avoid entanglements with dishonest people.
    May 24 1
    • Google Pqmz
      Politics are even worse when the stakes are low. Think non profit and academics
      May 24
  • New / Mgmt
    FourHrWkWk

    New Mgmt

    PRE
    EY, IBM, Financial Times, Google
    BIO
    Founder with Interests in investing, energy, crypto, cannabis, tech. Multiple startups, I enjoy mentoring entrepreneurs.
    FourHrWkWkmore
    I think “Politics” is a catch all phrase when employees don’t feel included in decision making. Don’t worry about it. Ten years down the road you’ll be making the decisions and those who work for you will be calling it all “politics”.

    In the meantime build your network. The second common use of the phrase “politics” is just relationship building. From a new employee’s standpoint it doesn’t make sense that managers are on the phone or in meetings all day. However it is their job to make deals and coordinate the work of others. That takes “political” skill like negotiating, influencing, and creating impressions/perceptions to motivate customers, investors, and employees like you who create and maintain the products.
    May 25 0
  • Adobe / Product xdMan
    Identify the people that do not do their job and try to stay away. They’ll try to use you, steal your ideas and they ll take all the credit
    May 24 0
  • HBO / IT dhein03
    Getting bombarded with sensitivity and inclusion training.
    May 24 0
  • Workday Whatday?
    One word: favoritism
    May 24 0
  • Citibank weQL15
    Ha its when you know something is for the betterment of the organization, employees and bottom line but the power players may not want the ideas brought up because it can reduce their influence. You have to know how to maneuver around key players and how to lobby to effectively get your thoughts and ideas heard. Also, key players will often try to assume your innovation as their own. Multiple times i came up with ideas and my boss told me to shut up so i submitted my ideas to the stakeholders and they made a commercial out of a speech i made and implemented the training course I spoke I created. He literally tried to take all of the credit. It was rediculous.

    I play politics for a living both in and out of work. Literally, all day everyday.
    May 24 4
    • Apple mNueH
      Rule #1: always make your boss look good
      May 24
    • Citibank weQL15
      He banked rolled off of 30 million in a quarter after an idea and training I put through. Then tried to assume it as his own. He good with his money lol
      May 24
    • Microsoft famazon
      Thx for sharing and I guess I’m not the only one who wants to cry. The worst is they use you, steal your ideas and get rid of you so that they can shine.
      May 24
    • Citibank weQL15
      Yeah honestly some of it really is bs because you'll offer so much to the organization and they will take your ideas and won't give you credit
      May 25
  • Charter / IT xlyq06
    Politics is saying or doing something you wouldn't be saying/doing if the person your talking about or taking from was next to you. It doesn't matter if it's another team, a coworker, whatever.

    To stay out of politics can be a personal choice but its going to occur and you will be subject to it regardless of your personal choice
    May 24 2
    • New / IT ew18
      Do you think technology can reduce such sensitive interactions inside the company? Like slack, trello, ..etc
      May 25
    • New / Mgmt
      FourHrWkWk

      New Mgmt

      PRE
      EY, IBM, Financial Times, Google
      BIO
      Founder with Interests in investing, energy, crypto, cannabis, tech. Multiple startups, I enjoy mentoring entrepreneurs.
      FourHrWkWkmore
      I think what you’re describing is gossip. Gossip is a slippery slope, and can burn up a lot of lunch hours. Better to focus on the work. Wish I didn’t get caught up in so much of that myself when I was starting out
      May 25
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Salesforce cbnlk
      Oh you can’t just leave it at that. As John Stewart used to say: Gooooo onnnnnnnn.
      May 29
  • Amazon badonka
    Just beware that if you play the game of thrones, you either win or die.
    May 26 1
    • Amazon badonka
      Tum tum tururumtum tururumtum tururuuuuuun
      May 26
  • Oracle tchtch
    Surprised that no one from Oracle has chimed in yet. Our main business is politics followed by legal. Based on my experience, if the environment is political, there’s not much choice for one to stay out of it. I for one did and suffered from low TC whereas the line managers took credit and got promoted with no work. So you can either be a part of it or gtfo. Any other option will only lead to a serious damage to your career.
    May 25 0
  • New / IT Captainjak
    Watch SUITS in prime video
    May 25 0
  • Microsoft famazon
    Where there is people, there is politics... The people who are playing in my org are not Indian people
    May 24 0
  • Netflix beebox
    Come to Netflix and you will know what it is
    May 24 0
  • Microsoft setting1
    Suck your manager’s d or p, you will do great
    May 24 0

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