What next?

Google Hxpkhn
Sep 7, 2018 41 Comments

Frustrated underslotted L4 here. Thanks to $GOOG doing well, am around 420-450k TC. But the fact that I am not getting promoted despite two SEEs coz of tenure has totally killed my motivation to stick around.

What next? I also want to try my hand at TLM role to see how I'd do. Don't prefer slog houses like $AMZN and $FB. I also believe there is no money to be made in Uber/Lyft at this late stage.

No hot startup will take me as a TLM and I am not willing to go as TL to prove myself before being promoted - - I have learned my lesson to not trust anyone that "come join and we will promote you". What are some good options to get a slight bump, not need to slog and get TLM?

As an aside, I also happen to think we are close to a major correction for tech stocks. So while I have enough in bank to pay off mortgage (can take risk, not worried to lose job), I would prefer to join somewhere that's not going to get killed in bear market.

What are my options? Would second tier companies as TLM (assuming I can get it) make sense? Any other company suggestions?

Edit: would appreciate if I could meaningful advise about positions to try rather than getting stuck on the TC. The TC looks extraordinary but with 13yoe, it is even lower than some of my friends in non FANGs.

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TOP 41 Comments
  • Facebook Instagrаm
    Ololo!
    450k as L4? You’re at L6 territory, bro!
    Sep 7, 2018 15
    • Netflix Gghhjjkk
      Late stage startups will give you cash+paper money around 400k for an engineering role. What is TL / TLM?
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      Tech lead manager. Yes if the startup has lot of promise, I don't mind taking the risk with paper money. Would Rubrik fall in this category? Any other recommendation? Am a systems /infra backend engineer
      Sep 8, 2018
    • If you have enough saved. Why not start your own company?
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Facebook Instagrаm
      Why start a company if he can rest and vest at Google?
      Sep 8, 2018
    • I don't think you are getting promoted due to tenure. You must be slotted at the highest end of L4 to be getting that TCO. I am L5 and earning less than $400k. Sometimes you should just stop, smell some roses, and recognize that you have been extremely fortunate ~ don't blow it as money won't grow on trees for SWEs in silicon valley forever ...

      Since only 2% or 3% of startups ever see a liquidity event, even if your TCO is $200k + $2M of stock, that's still only $240k-$260k income, expected value.
      Oct 26, 2018
  • Google Clck58
    I don’t think you can realistically do this in one move. You need a two step move: go to a lower level company, manage people, stay for a year or two, move to a tier 1 company as manager.
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      Excellent advice!
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Oracle iRVG77
      Tier 1 ain't going to hire a tier 2 manager as manager unless you show some kind of success.. eg managed revenue growth
      Oct 17, 2018
  • VMware bububu
    Fuck, what a looser I am (going to kill myself, but most likely will fail at it as well).
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • State Farm Locandro
      When did the spelling of “loser” become “looser”? It’s like an epidemic.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Amazon WarrenPeas
      I always read it as elongated and tinged sith Sarcasm. Sometimes, depending on context I picture Zoolander saying it
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Google Vdzlw
    Change your title on work day. Boom "promo". You make more than most L5s
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • Dropbox / Eng
      fksoqn

      Dropbox Eng

      PRE
      Jane Street Capital
      fksoqnmore
      Huh I would guess Google has its own version of workday
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt JeffBaizos
    1st world problems.
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Expedia 👖optional
    Lol. Join Expedia if you don’t care about TC. We pay in kudos and feel good meetings
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    No hire
    Sep 7, 2018 0
  • Oracle iRVG77
    Learn AI
    Sep 7, 2018 0
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    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      Not quite but have held senior tech roles.
      Sep 8, 2018
    • Facebook XLhI02
      It's going to be an extremely hard sell for anywhere to hire you into a management position without experience, especially given your level.

      Think about it as an org leader. Would you be comfortable telling some of your people to report to a new person who has no people management experience? I wouldn't, at all.

      I think the best you can get is to go somewhere in a more senior role and make it clear that you'd like to move into management as the place grows.
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Google lnsw4i5f
    same situation. Just waiting for my 4 years to be over.
    Sep 7, 2018 2
    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      How many yoe? Which companies might make sense as next hop?
      Sep 7, 2018
    • Google lnsw4i5f
      i am trying to get L5. Then other FAANG + uber/airbnb.. can match the pay you are used to :)
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Oracle iRVG77
    Your problem is basically you are on a dead end career path. You have three choices, become a stuffed shirt - ie, on a VP / csuite track (MBA); become an architect; or become an IC in AI / data science. Easiest and most fun I think is AI, but if you are more charismatic than smart (or old), go on the VP track. Hardest is architect. Boring and you have to be hyper bright or a sleazy suck up.
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      Definitely hate sucking up. Probably the reason I haven't stuck with a single position for more than 2 years :(
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Airbnb / Eng Lodestar
    TLM?
    Sep 7, 2018 1
    • Google Hxpkhn
      OP
      Tech lead manager, essentially want to have a reporting team
      Sep 7, 2018
  • What did you end up doing? Any updates you’d be willing to share?
    Apr 8 0
  • Oracle iRVG77
    Nice necropost. This was a great blind thread. Hopefully OP will update us as to what he did. 90% chance he's just resting and vesting
    Oct 17, 2018 0
  • Don’t confuse your good luck with skill. Making lots of money does not make you management material, it makes you fortunate. That is all. Most people never get an income higher than President Trump, but I have done it and it is not something you should walk away from on a whim. Stay at Google and work towards a manager role. It starts by showing you can do everybody’s job, and it ends by winning everybody’s respect and admiration, ideally.
    Oct 17, 2018 0
  • Oracle XSIK31
    Are you on crack?
    Sep 7, 2018 0

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