What next after Google

Google / Eng
KygoWest

Google Eng

BIO
Software Engineering at Google.
KygoWestmore
Nov 23, 2018 41 Comments

Thinking of changing job if some other company can offer better compensation and career growth.

Some options look like: AirBnB, Netflix, Uber, Square.

L4
YOE: 2 years
TC: 230K

Edit (adding some more context):
Work is good at Google and so is WLB. I have learnt a lot from the senior members in the teams. I can see myself getting promoted to L5 in 2 years timeframe. Some reasons I am considering switching:
- Seems like I can get more ownership at a smaller company compared to Google. This could be better for the career long term.
- Some of the unicorns are planning to IPO in the next 2 years. I might get a nice payout if they IPO at a higher valuation (or even the current valuation). Also, seems like potential upside might be higher (easier for a stock to go from 30B to 60B than 800B to 1.6T).

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  • Google
    syryu

    Google

    PRE
    Amazon
    syryumore
    Try Amazon
    Nov 23, 2018 15
    • Amazon / Eng Okgfccy
      Scalability is BS, borg just abstracts all that away, people work way harder at Amazon tuning VMs and optimizing for hw than anyone I’ve seen at G.

      Google’s “ML” projects and problems and basically all of google Brian is just implementation engineering for scientists - if you’re an SDE you’re just plumbing ML pipelines together and not doing any amount of model building.
      Nov 24, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Okgfccy
      Also e commerce is way harder to scale than basically trivially scalable but large QPS numbers.
      Nov 24, 2018
    • Google
      syryu

      Google

      PRE
      Amazon
      syryumore
      Peak order rate of 40k per min (during Prime day and Thanksgiving) is harder to scale than say Google ads or maps or search? Are you even an engineer? Qps systems have tight latency requirements given that they are customer facing.
      Most of e-commerce services are not even customer facing, just support herd wfs etc in the background. There are ton of useless services which just act as sqs listeners and do light weight things.
      All customer facing (tier 1) are legacy systems with ton of tech debt.
      Nov 24, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Okgfccy
      Okay that’s just wrong. I’ll say a couple of things and get out of this discussion

      1. Order rate != request rate, if you want to compare things, it needs to compare apples and apples.

      2. Not many people in google actually work on the hard scaling problems of search, maps and YouTube. Most of the scaling problems your regular engineers work on are no harder / less harder than the ones at Amazon because engg at Amazon can not hide behind abstraction layers like SREs and borg. Engineers are responsible for the code they write all the way to the VM that actually runs it.

      3. If you disagree just go to the google version of blind and see people complaining about boring work / lack of impact.

      4. It’s pretty well acknowledged that an L6 at Amazon is more influential in technical / business direction than an L5 at Google. L6 is basically a TL at Google but not one of those weird L4 TL things that sometimes happens. Amz L6 maybe paid somewhat similarly / maybe even slightly less on average than goog L5s but that doesn’t translate into impact.
      Nov 25, 2018
    • Google
      digfii

      Google

      PRE
      Amazon
      digfiimore
      1. I know order rate is not equal request rate for a service. Similarly I highly doubt a query for Google maps has 1:1 mapping. The service which I owned at Amazon, use to have 20 requests per order and was one of the critical services. Now 40k×20/60 (14k + 6k for aws, imdb or other non retail traffic) tps is not a lot. It's actually trivial compared to Google's scale. Now if you compare something like Sable with big table etc, Sable does not even come close.
      Doesn't Sable take more tps than even Dynamodb during peak(I might be wrong)?
      2. Do you know how much is abstracted for you by AWS? Do you know when you add capacity to a host class (click a button!) how many things happen in the background in AWS data centers? There is a training on this (I forgot the name).
      Big companies have to build some base infrastructure, so people don't go on reinventing the wheel. Similarly AWS is the infrastructure at Amazon. Google has it's own infrastructure. "Abstraction is a necessary thing".
      As a swe vip spillovers etc are nice to know but I would rather have SREs handle that so I can concentrate on other things. I have done enough operational shit at Amazon. But make no mistake, an engineer should be on top of operational issues and in constant touch with SREs.
      3. About impact - I'll just say this, at Google you are competing with star engineers and you need to up your game a lot. At Amazon more than half of the engineers are subpar and you can easily stand out, hence you feel you are making more impact.
      Nov 25, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    goldbug

    LinkedIn Eng

    PRE
    Google
    BIO
    Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
    goldbugmore
    Look at Snapchat or Dropbox stock and reconsider joining a startup. If you know which company will go from 30B to 800B you might as well just buy their stocks and become the next Warren Buffett.
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng
    nothnxgvng

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Google, GlobalLogic
    nothnxgvngmore
    You can spend some more time in Google. For better career growth, consider changing team!
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng omidy
    2 years won't land you E5 are FB. Kids these days lol..

    2 years is L4 everywhere
    Nov 23, 2018 1
    • Amazon VpYJ78
      Not Amazon
      Nov 23, 2018
  • Only 2 YOE... Why not just change teams lol
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • New hgyii
    I think you can find better offers as L5.
    Nov 23, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng
      KygoWest

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Software Engineering at Google.
      KygoWestmore
      OP
      Which companies might consider me for L5? I doubt Facebook will. Maybe Pinterest, Uber, AirBnB etc.?
      Nov 23, 2018
    • New hgyii
      Sorry, I meant after you are L5 at Google.
      Nov 23, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      KygoWest

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Software Engineering at Google.
      KygoWestmore
      OP
      Ah got it! I don't see getting promoted in the next 1 year. Probably 1.5 years if I grind or 2-3 years if I don't. I like working at Google (work is good and so is the WLB). Assuming the unicorns might IPO in the next year or two, I am thinking if I can get on the boat for better payout if the IPOs are at a higher valuation.
      Nov 23, 2018
    • Google
      syryu

      Google

      PRE
      Amazon
      syryumore
      Hey, that's my post. 😂😂
      Nov 23, 2018
  • Amazon crypto*
    Two Sigma
    HRT
    Renaissance Technologies
    Nov 29, 2018 0
  • Intel / Eng
    gorgee

    Intel Eng

    PRE
    Google, Amazon
    BIO
    Hardware quality and reliability professional
    gorgeemore
    Get more horizonal experience at G
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Northrop Grumman frontbutt
    You can trade with me.
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Try Roku. You can get better comp if you are good.
    Nov 23, 2018 3
    • Google / Eng
      KygoWest

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Software Engineering at Google.
      KygoWestmore
      OP
      The platform revenue seems quite good and growing at a good pace. Do you think the platform can continue growing independent of the hardware? Also curious what you think that the current valuations. Is it justifiable given the competition by other streaming platforms from Amazon and Google?
      Nov 23, 2018
    • I’m not sure I have the answers you are looking for. The engineering organization is great. They are very picky, and everyone is given real responsibility. No placeholders or slackers. Compensation is great too, probably better than google. I wouldn’t get this kind of responsibility anywhere else, and I love it.
      Nov 23, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      KygoWest

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Software Engineering at Google.
      KygoWestmore
      OP
      Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the input. :-)
      Nov 23, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Facebook E4, snap L3, or OCI MTS3 for liquid stock.
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Vertivco / Eng
    FastPapuan

    Vertivco Eng

    PRE
    YouTube, American Bureau of Shipping, Facebook
    FastPapuanmore
    Lockheed Martin
    Nov 23, 2018 0
  • Airbnb / Other
    unemployd

    Airbnb Other

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    Accenture
    BIO
    Sup
    unemploydmore
    Take a look at Stripe.
    Nov 27, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng somecsdude
      How is Stripe doing?
      Dec 13, 2018
  • Gusto plskillme
    Dropbox?
    Nov 23, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng
      KygoWest

      Google Eng

      BIO
      Software Engineering at Google.
      KygoWestmore
      OP
      Thanks for the suggestion. I am not sure if Dropbox is going to grow much and don't feel too excited about their products. Curious if you can provide some info on how Gusto is doing?
      Nov 23, 2018
  • New / Eng RhpJ71
    Isn't there a list of unicorns somewhere?
    Nov 23, 2018 0