What to do when recruites say not a match

Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
Sep 9 27 Comments

So i am facing this a ton, where the recruiting team comes back saying profile is not a match. have got this from

Dropbox
Flexport
Square
Slack
Cruise automation
True Car

Got in touch with recruiters through linked in and had a brief call but after 2 days they said not a match.

Currently i am a Sr Director Tech in a tech consulting firm, i have extensive experience in leading teams. 19yr exp, 260k TC and open to a step down to Engineering Manager/Sr. Engineering manager role, open to move but no dough. Oh yea and I am on a H1B.

Is it a poor resume, agism, the black mark of consulting? i keep myself upto date, been leetcoding for 4 months, feel i can do most easy-medium LC. when i started prepping, never thought getting enough interview calls would be the problem.

i look at posts here where folks go for 10 phone screens, get to 5 onsites and get like 3 offers. without this volume of interviewing it seems impossible to get your dream job

really struggling to find enough opportunities to do tech screens. so far got three phone screens (Braze, Yelp and Stripe) passed 2 out of 3 ans moving to their onsite rounds. any suggestions on what could be the issue?

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  • Salesforce
    OHANA GANG

    Salesforce

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    Netflix, Google
    OHANA GANGmore
    Recruiters are like hitters in baseball. At best, they get it right about 1 in 3 times. At worst, they haven't got a clue.

    You need to short circuit the process. Bypass them entirely and network directly with hiring managers.
    Sep 9 2
    • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
      OP
      How do you know who the hiring manager is? Most of my applying is on jobs via LinkedIn and vettery
      Sep 9
    • Salesforce
      OHANA GANG

      Salesforce

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      Netflix, Google
      OHANA GANGmore
      You need to search creatively. Don't search directly on LinkedIn. Instead, search "company" + "team name" + "manager" + "linkedin" on Google.

      That usually gets you what you want. You need to leverage the old adage: every step up in difficulty eliminates a disproportionate amount of competition.

      Most people apply through recruiting portals, and are consequently filtered out. Comparatively few find a way to obtain a warm intro or referral, and immediately rise to the top of the stack. It's often nontrivial to do it, but it's strictly better than relying on a non-technical recruiter's imperfect estimation of your technical abilities and experience.
      Sep 9
  • It’s ridiculous that someone at the Director level has to leetcode.
    Sep 9 0
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    OP
    1. Yes I have managed manager and sr manager for over 4-5 yrs
    2. Coming from consulting I am assuming they will put me a level down and I am ok with it given that the salary bump will be significant
    3. I thought all Manager/Sr. Manager roles required some amount of coding.

    Does cruise not do coding round for sr. Mgr interviews? Would you be open to referring me?
    Sep 9 7
    • Kabbage / Eng zzfd12
      I'm going through EM interview process at Cruise now. The very first interview over the phone was coding. No coding onsite.
      The only company I interviewed for that didn't do coding for EM was lyft.
      But all companies do system design
      Sep 11
    • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
      OP
      How was level of system design with Lyft? Grokking system design interview enough or are there deeper questions? I am good with basics of sharding, caching, load balancing, CAP, infra/capacity etc. what else should I read up
      Sep 11
    • Kabbage / Eng zzfd12
      I believe system design interview difficulty depends on interviewers. I was asked to design Twitter. Very common system design question. It was not super difficult. If you are familiar with AWS, kube, caching, scaling, sharing/partitioning, multi-region set up you should be fine.
      Sep 11
    • Kabbage / Eng zzfd12
      I have second onsite with Lyft soon, I'll have one more system design, but it seems that will cover one of the projects I and my team implemented before.
      Sep 11
    • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
      OP
      Interesting that people still ask Twitter and Facebook feeds questions. Straight out of grokking. Curious where the interviewer digged deeper.
      Sep 11
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    OP
    I am personally ok with the LC grind, it hard at start but you eventually get into the grove.

    But agree it’s a bit odd, but hey you gotta do what needs to be done.
    Sep 9 3
    • I guess that’s the price of admission if you want to get into faang. Otherwise, there’s plenty of startups and big companies that only ask practical questions.
      Sep 9
    • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
      OP
      Which ones? Except amazon I have not found a single one that said no coding
      Sep 9
    • Look for a thread titled companies that don’t require leetcode or something like that.
      Sep 9
  • Scribd qKWi07
    I have recently done loops for SEM roles and all still required coding, many during the phone screen so stick with it
    Sep 9 1
    • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
      OP
      How was your experience?
      1. Was it mostly LC medium?
      2. Also how important is dynamic program
      3. Is Grokking the system design interview, enough for covering system
      design rounds?
      Sep 9
  • Amazon / Eng ftPD07
    Try bigger companies, they need all kinds of people (especially Amazon).
    Sep 9 1
    • Salesforce hello908
      Totally agree.
      Sep 13
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    OP
    I asked them but nothing useful. Mostly they ghost out, others say we don’t have any specific feedback for you
    Sep 9 1
    • Cruise Automation tlij23
      Recruiters will never give you honest feedback, there's no benefit to them and it can only get them in trouble. Try to seek out feedback from a mentor instead, or someone who would normally review resumes such as yours (at a similar company to what you are targeting).

      Or, as others have said, just find directors or senior managers for the team you are interested in and message them on LinkedIn (or even better email their personal email you find on GitHub etc).
      Sep 9
  • American Express D.BCooper
    How is consulting a black mark? Generally curious here.
    Sep 9 0
  • Cruise Automation dolboeb
    Sr managers/director matches are tough. Have you managed managers at your current/prev job? Also why tf are you doing LC? Afaik sr managers and up are only asked design questions even in faang
    Sep 9 0
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    OP
    In consulting you don’t get the experience of internet scale/transaction per second etc. also if your not passionate it’s easy to get by with a breadth of knowledge within any real depth
    Sep 9 0
  • Publicis Sapient / Eng LCdebugger
    OP
    Yea amazon is just one. I feel for reasonable odds you really need to interview at like 10
    Sep 9 0
  • Apple
    TWB-tWBu16

    Apple

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    I’m a software engineer. Right now my job is focused on full stack web dev but I love everything related to tech
    TWB-tWBu16more
    Maybe they are looking for a particular skill or technology? Do you ask them why it is not a match?

    The biggest thing companies look for but candidates don’t have is experience with a particular technology.
    Sep 9 0

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