What’s going on at oracle?

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  • Microsoft MMKy42
    ORACLE - One Rich Assh0le Called Larry Ellison
    Jun 12 2
    • Facebook dhjdnxnsms
      Haha. This is great!
      Jun 12
    • Dell / Eng
      vokX18

      Dell Eng

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      Dell
      vokX18more
      Pure genius!
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft no-sql
    Oci is probably dead
    Jun 12 17
    • Microsoft Fun☀️time
      Their legal department has been alive and well. Engineering not so much.
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GLA

      Microsoft Eng

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      GLAmore
      Tbh you sound like someone who didn’t get an offer. TC’s more than great and work is awesome.
      Jun 12
    • Amazon poiuyt6
      I'm expecting an offer. How much should I expect for IC4?
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GLA

      Microsoft Eng

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      GLAmore
      Depends on your current TC most probably.
      But expect fat refreshers if you are top talent (at least until money runs out). If you average though you’ll get zero refreshers.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle xdka00
      Which org had awesome refresher? I can switch team.
      7d
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GLA

      Microsoft Eng

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      Amazon
      GLAmore
      Most of OCI from what I understand. Depends on your rating though.
      1-2-3 you get nothing
      4 you get a little bit
      5 you get a lot
      7d
    • Oracle xdka00
      I am IC4 with 4 rating, got 2000 RSUs
      7d
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GLA

      Microsoft Eng

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      GLAmore
      Which is a fair amount for a 4 rating.
      5 might have gotten you 3 times that.
      7d
    • Microsoft / Eng
      GLA

      Microsoft Eng

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      Amazon
      GLAmore
      Every year. Refreshers vest over 4 years.
      7d
    • Amazon
      menthos

      Amazon

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      Microsoft, Oracle
      menthosmore
      Remember Satya lates-off 5/6 times and doing well now. It’s normal and expect Oracle to do well as the deal with Microsoft also good for both enterprise company’s.
      6d
  • Amazon / R&D
    psqn71

    Amazon R&D

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    Apple
    psqn71more
    Oracle dead in the next 5 years!
    Jun 12 8
    • Amazon Rathole
      You know nothing John snow
      Jun 12
    • What do you know rathole
      Jun 12
    • Amazon Rathole
      They are investing as fuck and refreshing workforce from Google/Amazon layoffs are for old school ppl. They still have a shittons amount of money and they pay more than Amazon goodbye suckers
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng 🍍boi
      can someone please explain to me in English what rathole is trying to say?
      Jun 12
    • Amazon Xqfc21
      Oracle is investing a lot to catch up, the layoffs are to get rid of the old guard and they are hiring new people from Amazon/Google
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng
      AWSom3

      Amazon Eng

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      AWSom3more
      This reminded me of the scene from the airplane movie with the old lady on the plane.
      Jun 12
    • Visa EffOffBoy
      can I hang out with the Amazon crew
      Jun 12
    • Salesforce F7sx3y
      Right, because the problem is the old engineers just aren’t good enough. That they were 8 years too late to the party and mired in 40+ years of questionable business practices has nothing to do with it.
      Jun 12
  • F5 Networks RRA
    I can't believe it. Don and Clay are such capable, transformational leaders.
    Jun 12 10
    • Oracle / Product
      dbiA46

      Oracle Product

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      F5 Networks
      dbiA46more
      Lul
      Jun 12
    • Oracle dev_ors
      Lol
      Jun 12
    • Salesforce F7sx3y
      Truly inspiring figures. Visionary, curious, so measured and calm.

      Don I can’t really speak for. Clay would be more useful as fertilizer.
      Jun 12
    • F5 Networks RRA
      Don is an gloomy, emo serial killer. Clay is a cheap Android.
      Jun 12
    • Salesforce F7sx3y
      Don does look like the type who collects vintage dolls and fantasizes about murder. I’m not sure how Clay hasn’t had some beat the shit out of him yet.
      Jun 12
    • F5 Networks RRA
      Don has killed and will kill again. And then the cops will ransack his home and find all the masks.
      Jun 12
    • Amazon look4job
      Nice try on your wife, Jeff
      Jun 12
    • Salesforce F7sx3y
      I’d laugh, but this is probably true, and thus it’s not a laughing matter
      Jun 12
    • Flagged by the community.

    • AIG / Product
      Raging

      AIG Product

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      Deloitte Digital
      BIO
      Counseling CxOs for AI-first strategy !
      Ragingmore
      LOL
      7d
  • Amazon Rathole
    Interviewing right now and probably joining
    Jun 12 15
    • Amazon Xqfc21
      They are investing a lot, they have a better w/l balance they allow me to work from abroad and they pay me more than Amazon ( europe is not Seattle where you have thousands of teams)
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      LE spotted
      Jun 12
    • Amazon Xqfc21
      @HcsN56 some details?
      Jun 12
    • Amazon alPb35
      If you aren’t paid well at amazon get them an offer, amazon pay a lot if you know how to negotiate, I have a teammate working remotely from Las Vegas full time, agreed not as much variety in teams like Seattle but same thing with oracle and Redwood City, investing is a waste of money with no vision/plan and hell of competition from Amazon, Google and Microsoft
      Jun 12
    • Amazon Xqfc21
      LE your mother
      Jun 12
    • Homeaway uWuoWo
      What does LE mean
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng firefly123
      Least Effective is Amazons bottom stack rank, u are likely on a path to managed out
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      Hahaha this cracks me up so much
      Jun 12
    • VMware / Mktg KhGTvf
      I just went over. Solid experience so far. My whole team is brand new to oracle.
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      Maybe cuz you are brand new?
      Jun 12
  • Amazon ehuuS
    That’s what happens when you let sales and lawyers run the company into the ground
    Jun 12 2
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

      New Eng

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      TechLeedmore
      Shocker a company that brings lawsuits to build vendor lock in isn't the first choice for new projects?
      7d
    • Compass 905
      Right?
      6d
  • Microsoft idknbd
    Are they still paying outrageous TC in OCI? I'll put up with the politics for a few years. I have lots of practice
    Jun 12 11
    • How outrageous? Heard rumors but nothing concrete.
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft idknbd
      Cliff isn't a problem, I'll just leave
      Jun 12
    • Dropbox fixer17
      Like, get fang offer. They tack on 100k more, and say sign by EOD or offer gone. That kind of Outrageous.
      Jun 12
    • Facebook asfdjrjpj
      What’s the TC like on OCI if joined 4 years ago?
      Jun 12
    • Snapchat lullerina
      Guessing the TC of those days are long gone? And are there any that are like that today?
      Jun 12
    • Oracle flippingch
      Yes. TC is still really well. I like how lots speculate, but no one waits to see what the business is actually doing with the q4 report.
      7d
    • Snapchat lullerina
      So you’re saying TC is 450k for senior devs at OCI still!? Holy!
      7d
    • Oracle OCInic
      OCI is not doing drop dead offers any more.
      6d
    • Snapchat lullerina
      😭 know any places that are still?
      6d
    • Oracle OCInic
      Nah, not like OCI was. First tier tech companies around Seattle will still pay you really well though.
      6d
  • Oracle Donut_King
    Paywall. Can somebody post the article here?
    Jun 12 8
    • Google yXQQ4A
      Here are the main points:
      Employees tell us that Oracle has been quietly laying off thousands of people all spring and that they fear there's more to come.
      A Wall Street analyst said that Oracle's growth had been paltry at best and that it seemed to be losing market share in its critical database business.
      Oracle needs its old-school software revenue to stay strong while it remakes itself into a player in cloud computing, a market it entered late and where it trails the leaders Amazon Web Services and Microsoft.
      Meanwhile, there was a political battle between two cloud groups at Oracle, won by the newer team, based in Seattle. But because that group has very few customers and Oracle is cutting expenses, it was not spared from the layoffs.
      The situation has left some employees feeling frustrated with what they describe as a chaotic, political work environment.
      Jun 12
    • Nike 7isDDb
      You can also use https://outline.com to see the article :)
      Jun 12
    • Amazon / Product
      R.O.U.S.🐀

      Amazon Product

      PRE
      Microsoft
      BIO
      I know you don't know what PMs do. You need us to make $$.
      R.O.U.S.🐀more
      I heard that Redwood City won the battle for OCI. Did Seattle keep it?
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft yTZJXs
      I heard Seattle won it too!
      Jun 12
    • Oracle lHEA77
      Everyone's a winner! 🎉
      Jun 12
    • Amazon cakes
      What’s OCI
      Jun 12
    • Lyft gunda
      Outline.com might help
      Jun 12
    • Indeed PxGJ81
      Cut the s off of https...
      Jun 12
  • Microsoft bVoM16
    At best it will become another IBM. Stable but uninspiring revenue. They made the same mistake as HP and got into cloud really late, but didn't pull the plug like HP smartly did.
    Jun 12 5
    • Nordstrom / Eng tikimon
      Will become?
      Jun 12
    • Workday mrmouse123
      What dismantles those who were cloud first or moved to cloud successfully?
      Jun 12
    • Workday Whatday?
      Don't rule out Oracle or SAP just yet! Not too long ago people had said Microsoft was dead (anyone remember?) but they have bounced back to new heights!

      Many old tech titans still own huge businesses and have the financial resources to compete and even crush the so-called first comers. There are numerous examples where late comers eventually won.

      If you believe Workday has already won, you have drunk too much of their Kool-Aid!

      Time to wake up, Workmates!
      Jun 12
    • Workday mrmouse123
      True...Complacency definitely will kill us. Regardless of Oracle sticking around.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Eng wwled
      I’ve seen the crappy way MSFT provisions new data centers. OCI has a major advantage in region build efficiency.
      5d
  • Oracle / Product
    orclbuta

    Oracle Product

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    Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
    BIO
    OCI future is cloudy
    orclbutamore
    Since when is BI quality news. Click bait
    Jun 12 6
    • Microsoft brewitall
      Business Insider is a Microsoft mouthpiece and OCI and Azure recently announced partnership to save their sinking ships.
      Jun 12
    • Facebook sVzmBg
      BI has pretty great coverages
      Jun 12
    • Amazon ldsY65
      Oracle is butthurt
      Jun 12
    • Airbnb LLeeEP
      Truth is painful
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Product
      orclbuta

      Oracle Product

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      Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
      BIO
      OCI future is cloudy
      orclbutamore
      Amazon go back to crying by your desk.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle SfsM37
      Amazon is butt hurt on CNN today

      https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/12/economy/aws-jedi-contract-amazon/index.html

      Insisting on the highest standards lol. Let me buy an echo so my house can talk like on Peewee's Playhouse
      7d
  • Coinbase EXCTB4
    Specifically, 300 people were cut from Oracle’s Seattle offices in the early rounds of layoffs, including 25% of the all-important group known internally as Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, or OCI, one employee told us and another, who was laid off in Seattle, confirmed. *Corporations do not have to report layoffs in Washington unless 500 people are affected in a single location at one time,* and Oracle has not publicly reported layoffs in the state.

    Wow
    Jun 12 0
  • Amazon / Eng sde3
    It is good, we laid off a bunch of OCI-C people and OCI low performers (most from msft, worst devs I have seen in industry). TC is 600k+ now, and I always switch company after 3-4 years regardless of the situation.
    Jun 12 15
    • Oracle ocioci
      True :)
      7d
    • Oracle simple3
      This is the attitude amazon devs have. Exactly why there are >100 sev2’s per week in aws and wlb is shit. Short term gains and jump ship.
      7d
    • Amazon / Eng sde3
      What an idiot, if you want to generalize, include msft and google as well as I used to work there :)) And the fact that you are offended means you suck shit.
      7d
    • Oracle simple3
      What makes you think I was offended? I was commenting based on my experience. I wasn’t generalising. Who cares how many fangm companies you worked for?
      7d
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      Lol, simple3, you worked at Amazon before? Or you failed at our door step?
      7d
    • Oracle simple3
      Yes I did work
      7d
    • Amazon / Eng sde3
      Well moron. How is my mindset to get out of comfort zone and try a new challenge every few years is the same for all amzn devs? And how is this the reason that wlb in aws is bad, lol seriously? And the reason that I brought up I worked here and there is in the first part of the very same sentence (if you can read).
      7d
    • Oracle simple3
      Your tc is 600k+ at oci? I don’t think anyone can save OCI as long as you are here
      7d
    • Oracle simple3
      Dumb asses like you who have to call the other guy an idiot or moron in every sentence getting 600k+ lol believable
      7d
    • Amazon / Eng sde3
      You are called moron for what you are. Read everything again and see how you keep dodging argument and running around like a headless chicken. And now you are attacking 600k TC? Lol it is not that good, FB and G pay even more, snapchat pays shitload more. I refuse though, but will leave once I deliver my shit. It is how ownership and commitment work, unlike you who suck shit and is scared of getting fired.
      7d
  • Google yta
    As an engineer, I always feel having Oracle on my resume will be a shame.
    Jun 12 9
    • Amazon look4job
      Google Ads company, failing at all other projects.
      Jun 12
    • Airbnb 🌳 50
      Looks like someone missed having their 🍌 today ^
      Jun 12
    • Google yta
      I totally understand someone may hate google. No intention to force everyone to agree on all things.
      Jun 12
    • Amazon look4job
      joined a non Ads so non-profit team at google. Got bored and quit after a year.
      Jun 12
    • Google yta
      Did not find another team with more interests?
      Jun 12
    • Amazon look4job
      Just wanted to see the outside world. Found out amazon was worse. Looking for new ones
      Jun 12
    • Google yta
      Honestly, Amazon is another place I’ll never consider. Hope you can find somewhere matches better.
      Jun 12
    • Pure Storage NowOracle
      Blaze build :all
      Jun 12
    • New VFcO68
      Google if u were too picky you would not work at advertising company which is what google is
      6d
  • Microsoft brewitall
    And Azure partners with OCI. Losers coming together for the end.....layoffs in Azure coming. No real long term revenues guaranteed in cloud as AWS has mined and minted it in cloud.
    Jun 12 4
    • Oracle / Product
      orclbuta

      Oracle Product

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      Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
      BIO
      OCI future is cloudy
      orclbutamore
      Soooooo shortsighted. Take your iaas that shit is boring. Saas and paas baby!
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft Zuki64264
      Microsoft prolly partnered to get a first pick when oci fails
      Jun 12
    • Salesforce F7sx3y
      Azure will be happy to take the data centers.

      PaaS for SaaS! What the fuck does that even mean!
      Jun 12
    • Microsoft Tyrian
      Azure is never gonna fail. Microsoft has lot of Enterprise connections and Satya is a smart guy.
      7d
  • New / Other
    DuQvV7y

    New Other

    BIO
    Did stuff. Hustled hard. Retired
    DuQvV7ymore
    😂 OCI
    Jun 12 0
  • Facebook / Eng idnr
    And Google cloud hired the head of OCI
    Jun 12 4
    • Oracle / Eng
      unwelcome1

      Oracle Eng

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      unwelcome1more
      Lol, you mean the shithead that was playing his 2 cloud orgs against each other? No joke, it's like he was trying to make them both fail.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Sales xTHU717x
      TK not OCI
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Eng
      unwelcome1

      Oracle Eng

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      unwelcome1more
      TK owned OCI and classic...and suckered Google into hiring him.
      Jun 12
    • Oracle / Eng
      unwelcome1

      Oracle Eng

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      unwelcome1more
      And Don would be the 'head of OCI' but last I checked he's still the head of OCI, so parent comment is probably not referring to Don.
      Jun 12
  • Amazon R0cker
    "Between the infighting, the layoffs and the emphasis on efficiency, all three employees we talked to seemed exasperated."

    The whole sensational article was written on the back of talking to three employees.

    Justsayin
    Jun 12 0
  • Facebook teetees
    Yeah they're D-Players at this point
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft burningit
    Why the heck would Satya partner with OCI knowing it’s a mess??? OCI is all ex Microsoft and there was no doubt it was a failure. Looks like Azure has conceded to AWS owning cloud and getting in bed with OCI is s sign of hard times for Azure. The paid media going hung up on Azure will have to eat their words. How long can Satya and Amy cook Azure numbers before being held accountable???
    7d 6
    • Oracle / Product
      orclbuta

      Oracle Product

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      Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
      BIO
      OCI future is cloudy
      orclbutamore
      Can you please take business and finance classes at your community college
      7d
    • Microsoft burningit
      Truth hurts my friend
      7d
    • Oracle / Product
      orclbuta

      Oracle Product

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      Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
      BIO
      OCI future is cloudy
      orclbutamore
      Ignorance is bliss too
      7d
    • Amazon / R&D
      psqn71

      Amazon R&D

      PRE
      Apple
      psqn71more
      Sounds like the Microsoft and Nokia crap show all over again. Microsoft probably going to try and take over, kill the weaker player to try and clear a little way for them. Then a year later declare it a total failure as AWS keep on growing!
      7d
    • Microsoft burningit
      Well said. That is exactly how this is headed.
      7d
    • Microsoft no-sql
      Azure has lots of customers and growing well. It won’t go anywhere and continue to be 2 or 3 in cloud depending upon how google cloud does
      6d
  • Google / Sales meatballer
    No worries, Google Cloud is hiring all the ex-Oracle people.
    7d 1
    • Oracle / Product
      orclbuta

      Oracle Product

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      Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook
      BIO
      OCI future is cloudy
      orclbutamore
      Is that right....
      7d
  • Okta hpence
    At what point does shorting Oracle make sense?

    Tough to time Bc they keep buying back their shares with their mounds of cash from murdering their customers for a decade but man does the 5-10 year outlook for them look dire.
    Jun 12 0
  • Oracle Ulrv25
    Careful what you wish for...
    Jun 12 0
  • Boeing wyFV33
    It’s herpes. They lose.
    Jun 12 1
    • Expedia lamigra
      Comments like this one is such a breath of fresh air!;)
      7d
  • SAP / Eng
    gpa2.9

    SAP Eng

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    Teradata, Cisco
    gpa2.9more
    Did anyone from MIT get laid off ?
    Jun 12 1
  • Amazon / Eng
    eichenwald

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    Google
    eichenwaldmore
    Andy Jassy is laughing his ass off on the way to the bank.
    7d 0
  • Apple / Eng kGUv48
    Amazon is probably crushing them when it comes to cloud database storage.

    Postgres is free and probably just as good as Oracle if you need to host your own database
    Jun 12 0
  • Amazon LlFO08
    Is fun to read devs attacking each other on who’s the worst haha. Anyone doing such things is obviously not smart. Coming back to oracle, I worked there for few years as support eng for the jvm. They are not bad at all, some processes are really good. Problem of Oracle is monolith apps and never thought about distributed systems which put them in a really bad position to go to cloud. Also they love to fire everyone, listen to the words of LE he is a jerk.
    Jun 12 0
  • UPS Ufgk43
    Gotta free up some payroll for more lawyers
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft tfsUEwWt
    Oracle is dead bro. Dead like IBM.
    Jun 12 2
    • Amazon look4job
      Many of them are ex Microsoft, making double TC now
      Jun 12
    • Amazon look4job
      You are dead if you don’t have money in life. Death or not of a company doesn’t really matter.
      Jun 12
  • Oracle OlJs40
    Oracle laid off 1000 people in March. Many were in OCI. They are getting rid of most of the OCI-C team which is OCI 1.0. Don Johnson announced that OCI is hiring 1000 people over the next year. So they are firing some to free up money to hire others. They also closed a shop in China and fired several hundred people. I saw that some people in legacy oracle like support are getting laid off. There was some kind of fight between the OCI-C management in Santa Clara and the OCI (OCI 2.0) in Seattle. Santa Clara lost. Oracle seems to do a lot of hire/fire cycles.

    I do operations for OCI and we are hiring a lot of people. The volume of work is increasing. Exadata is really getting bigger. Its not growing like Amazon, but its growing. They are doing a lot of new development. I have seen the roadmaps. Big rollout this month of autonomous database. Basically it automates most of the day to day DBA tasks such as backup and recover. I was a DBA for decades. I now do Devops.

    I do see a lot of new customers coming online. I have seen several fairly big government customers come online too. I can't speak speak for the growth. They keep that secret. However, I have access to the names of the customers and I see a number of fortune 500 companies.

    I do not know the percent increase and growth rate of OCI. The tech is still behind amazon. They have an aggressive roadmap to release new features.
    5d 0
  • Amazon BwvG24
    Business Insider = Hyped up headlines + shallow articles
    6d 0
  • Pivotal / Other AllDaSmoke
    Disable javascript to remove paywall
    7d 0
  • Capital One / Mgmt
    IamBuying

    Capital One Mgmt

    BIO
    I love people!
    IamBuyingmore
    The problem is Oracle doesn't have enough starwars and robotics...🤣

    https://youtu.be/3MZ_esB-d9E?t=179
    Jun 12 0
  • Microsoft AxeCapital
    Who cares?
    Jun 12 0
  • Workday HMyq68
    Oh no, means all these people will be
    coming to Workday
    7d 3
    • Google / Eng
      Mr TK

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Google
      BIO
      Oracle
      Mr TKmore
      Workday is not a profitable company. The stock will crash soon if does not have positive earnings
      6d
    • Workday Whatday?
      Agreed the Workday bubble will pop soon. Besides, why would anyone want to work all day, earn low pay, and get little respect there...
      5d
    • Google / Eng
      Mr TK

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Google
      BIO
      Oracle
      Mr TKmore
      Workday salaries are much lower than industry competition
      5d
  • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
    Oracle has a cloud business?
    6d 2
    • Chase McJU43
      Found Andy Jassy’s Blind account
      3d
    • Microsoft 🐁Pinky😜
      Only if he works at Microsoft.
      3d
  • LinkedIn Mr.Big
    What is OCI?
    Jun 12 2
    • Oracle JHkf78
      Cloud
      Jun 12
    • Flagged by the community.

  • Microsoft holymoly2
    Microsoft is in bed with them... deathbed?
    6d 0
  • Micro Focus foolmeone
    OpenJDK and Vertica
    Jun 12 0
  • Oracle stranger_O
    Fake....
    Jun 12 0
  • LinkedIn jitterbugg
    Oracle must die .
    6d 1
  • Facebook maryjblind
    Game 6?
    7d 0
  • Amazon / Eng YcUP73
    The Raptors are happening
    7d 0
  • Command Alkon cydf26
    It's all SQL server these days , no ?
    Jun 12 0
  • SolarCity / IT
    Fyiuab

    SolarCity IT

    PRE
    Amazon
    BIO
    Just stay clam and do your thing.
    Fyiuabmore
    Lawyers part make sense
    Jun 12 0
  • Amazon look4job
    can you stop posting such article, which only contained old claims from months ago?
    Jun 12 0
  • SolarCity / IT
    Fyiuab

    SolarCity IT

    PRE
    Amazon
    BIO
    Just stay clam and do your thing.
    Fyiuabmore
    Dha!!
    Jun 12 0

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