What's it like leaving a major tech hub?

Hubspot AQwL40
Aug 24 43 Comments

Right now I live and work in Boston as a Software Engineer. I like my current job and I like that there are lots of other potential employers around that treat employees well. But I also like my gf who is getting a phd and going on the job market in a year or two. This means that I'll likely be leaving Boston.

For those of you who have worked in a tech city like Boston, San Francisco, NYC, etc and have worked elsewhere, what differences did you notice? Was the difference in pay worth the difference in cost of living? Do employers outside these high competition areas cut pay and perks too much? Do you feel like the talent pool is too small so your co-workers aren't as smart? For younger engineers, do you end up losing the opportunity to learn from other good engineers? For older engineers, do you feel constrained by office politics or a company leadership that doesn't understand software?

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TOP 43 Comments
  • Apple hhbbyecn
    Boston !=Major Tech Hub
    Aug 24 8
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      I suppose that I mean there are a large number of newer companies not large corporations that (steryotipicaly) have a lot of red tape
      Aug 24
    • Bloomberg / Eng F.U. money
      It’s not even a minor tech hub.
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      Ok I know it's not the biggest around, but it's definitely more than minor
      Aug 24
    • Akamai Technologies hpBF22
      How is Boston not a tech hub?
      Aug 24
    • Amazon / Eng
      AnyReqs?😟

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Anyone Hire Product Manager :)
      AnyReqs?😟more
      🤔
      Aug 24
  • Are you a social media "coordinator" for Boston's chamber of commerce or something? It's like people that keep trying to sneak their company into the top tier. Sad!
    Aug 24 6
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      Nope
      Aug 24
    • Amazon CeoExtra
      I didn’t ask you OP.
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      I didn't respond to you CeoExtra
      Aug 24
    • Cash money results in cocaine and dat fine ass
      Aug 24
    • Amazon CeoExtra
      haha... What’s that thing in the middle?
      Aug 24
  • Intuit Grat
    Blind Rule : TC and YOE please
    Aug 24 4
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      How exactly will that help you answer this question?
      Aug 24
    • Amazon CeoExtra
      OP, answer first. Ask questions later!
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      This song and dance isn't my favorite, but ok fine

      TC: $142k if stocks don't change
      YOE: a bit over 3 plus internships
      Aug 24
    • Wayfair WNEm45
      That's less than a L2 software engineer at Wayfair. With 3 YOE and internships, I'm surprised you've still stuck it out at Hubspot for entry level TC. Explore the job market. Now.

      My read is you aren't ambitious enough for high growth environments. As an average of the pack software engineer, you'd benefit greatly from being in SF or Seattle, where demand is far greater than supply. Expect a major decrease in career trajectory slope when leaving these areas.
      Aug 27
  • Envestnet jahfineh
    Lol Boston
    Aug 24 0
  • Microsoft Lpsolo
    First Boston is not even a small tech hub, so you should have no issue adjusting yourself somewhere else lol.

    Second, I am still laughing at you when I read Boston and major tech hub in the same paragraph
    Aug 24 6
    • New OXvK54
      West coast loves to pretend there is no tech on the east coast for sport, it's just one the endearing qualities you'll have to get used to if you work in Bos/NYC/DC
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      I sure hope that's not the case. There are so many better sports. I've got a friend in SF and we make about the same after col
      Aug 24
    • Microsoft Lpsolo
      Perhaps there isn’t shortage of job. But not nearly as abundant as Bay Area, Seattle, or NY Chicago etc...

      Most place don’t have shortage of jobs. But lack career growth. Like when you reach a certain level there will be almost no opportunity to grow or switch to other company and pay is relatively low compare to cost of living. Boston is expensive
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      Yeah I'm worried about all those places that lack growth. I know Boston is expensive, but NYC, SF and the bay, and Seattle are too. It seems to be that high tc and high col go together
      Aug 24
    • Microsoft Lpsolo
      Seattle is actually similar to Boston, source I lived in Boston for 1 year and have immediate family member there. Now 5 year in Seattle
      Aug 24
  • Bloomberg 1048482919
    I've had 4 SWE jobs in 3 cities over my 3 years as a professional SWE. In that time, my TC has progressed from $65k to $205k. I've found that the company's SWE compensation has a far greater impact on its engineering talent quality than any other factor, including location.
    Aug 24 4
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      That's a really interesting insight. But it also seems the tc and location are highly correlated
      Aug 24
    • Bloomberg 1048482919
      True, in aggregate. But Bloomberg pays much more than the Bay Area startups I worked for previously, and its NYC engineers are correspondingly better on average
      Aug 25
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      Startups also seem to pay less than established companies anyway. What's Bloomberg like? Is the steryotype that fintech is all suits true?
      Aug 25
    • Bloomberg 1048482919
      Definitely not at Bloomberg. I haven't seen a single engineer wearing a suit, although some wear buttoned shirts. Plenty just wear a t shirt and whatever pants they want
      Aug 27
  • Amazon CeoExtra
    You gotta put a ring on her before thinking too seriously on relocation.

    And yes, it will hold you back as young engineer. 5 years in Panhandle, FL doesn’t look lucrative on resume either.
    Aug 24 3
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      Well we were talking about the ring which brought this up in the first place.

      You still made it to Amazon even after 5 years in nowhere Florida. Do you feel like that stifled your growth comoared to other engineers at Amazon your age?
      Aug 24
    • Amazon CeoExtra
      Where you spent your childhood is not that important (to most top tech companies).

      Your employer name is more important than exact location.

      You can make it to Amazon after working 10 years in say Atlanta. But most likely it will carry less weight if that exp is at an unknown company. But if you’re a ML Prof at Ga Tech it won’t be a problem to get into Amazon at L8 or even L10 scientist position.
      Aug 24
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      If I do end up in a worse location I'm less worried about the company I work for not being recognizeable and more worried that I'll end up at a company with no opportunity for growth
      Aug 24
  • priceline.com / IT top_phodu
    Boston is not a "major tech hub",.and 140K is not "high compensation" ... Sorry to break your unreal reality...
    Aug 24 1
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      It seems to me that Boston has a lot of engineering jobs open and I know I don't have a super high salary, but it does seem about average for people like me in the area. I'm not chasing tc right now, I'm chasing growth
      Aug 24
  • Amazon Barboza
    What’s ur tc
    Aug 24 1
    • Hubspot AQwL40
      OP
      It's in a response above. Still don't know how it's relavent though
      Aug 24
  • PayPal anbuselvan
    When did Boston become a tech city? It will become tech city if the airport is somehow gets coded as BSTECHCITY
    Aug 24 0

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