What’s the deal with all F1 visa denials for dual intent purposes ?

BlackRock / Eng saywat
Jul 11 67 Comments

So F1 is NOT a dual intent visa, so you have to say to the Immigration officer that you’ll go back to your country after you’re done with your degree but you can get an OPT after you complete your degree on F1 and then get a dual intent H1B visa easily ? Like wtf ICE/USCIS , aren’t you creating loop holes yourself ?

Of course most foreign students will not come to the US if there is no possibility of getting an OPT and working here after getting your degree ( it’s too damn expensive) ... so why not remove the “non-immigrant intent requirement” from the F1 visa !

PS - I have not pursued a degree in the US , I came here directly on a dual intent work visa so I’m sorry if I said something ignorant 😑

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TOP 67 Comments
  • Amazon yup!
    Lot of foreign students come from rich families and have no problem supporting themselves if they did not get OPT.
    Jul 11 16
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      Thank you @tempuser4 for bringing some real life perspective to the conversation... else we’d just be debating on the “AMERICA doesn’t need anyone else” hypotheses
      Jul 11
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      @yup! - maybe read more than just the title next time ... and I did say there was a typo in the title before editing ... but I guess you’re not the kind to read beyond some click baits titles so you’re doing the same here 🙄

      Ha ha ... even if I was bad at English ... I’d just be bad at that, not at money or anything else ... because if your stupid argument was true America wouldn’t be in trillions of debt ! And there would be no-English speaking billionaires !!! you racist and xenophobic POS !!!
      Jul 11
    • Amazon yup!
      I did. I read you confusing post talking about how people were too indigent to stay in the US unless they got work through OPT.
      Jul 11
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      I’m sure you meant “your* confusing post” and not “you confusing post” cause you’re so damn good at English and this maybe a mere typo 😑 while an immigrant’s typo is a reflection of their “terrible” English 🙄
      Jul 11
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      @yup! It's perfectly fine to fund ones education through a loan and then pay it back from salary after getting a job. If you think education is only for people with money, then I m sorry to break it to you that you are much less of a human being than you think you are.
      Jul 12
  • I prefer no OPT after F1. Come here, study and go back. If you get H1b then great, otherwise please make your home country great again.
    Jul 11 28
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      @chaipani - dude do you realize that no one ( at least not the students on F1 or any other immigrant ) put a gun to your American Congress’s Or USCIS’ head to make OPT available for F1 students 🙄
      Jul 11
    • Salesforce Usbj01
      Chaipani, i see what you’re saying. From what I understand, OPT stands for optional practical training which is supposed to be a part of schooling. People usually go for H1B sponsors in the mean time to convert to something that’s dual intent. The two are basically independent of each other and it looks like folks use opt as an intermediate option, but it wasn’t intended that way. Removing it though would require finding a sponsor straight out of school, which is hard and unlikely.
      Jul 11
    • Amazon yup!
      It's not that hard. Lots of companies recruit on campus. I think the bigger question if what will happen to intern programs which are very temporary, usually just three months.

      The difficulty if the consulting firms taking up all the visas.
      Jul 11
    • Walmart.com 🌲50
      chaipani seems to be a native filled with false pride who doesn't want to accept that majority of the research, innovation and advancement in the US is fuelled by bright foreign students.
      Jul 12
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      @chaipani - is clearly an entitled offspring of hard working immigrants ... who hates his ethnicity for some odd reason
      Jul 12
  • SAP / Eng
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    H1 and F1 are completely different stories. Plus you shouldn't even be talking. Be thankful that you paid less money for your foreign degree and won the dual intent lottery while students paying hundreds of thousands of dollars didn't.
    Jul 11 7
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      Just cause one guy is a jerk doesn’t mean we all should follow his lead 🙄
      Jul 11
    • Verizon / Eng HansBomb
      On anonymous platforms, that’s the only way to operate my friend.

      Go out a troll for a few, it makes us feel less shitty about our own lives.
      Jul 11
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      It is the “only” way because it’s the “only” way you chose 😑
      Jul 11
    • Verizon / Eng HansBomb
      I didn’t ask for this life. And so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.

      #troll
      Jul 11
    • Apple Okidoki
      One can also ask for adjustment of status while on B1/B2. It is important what was your intent when you first obtained the visa, but you can absolutely change your mind later. I am not sure, but I suspect that the distinction also matters with regards to whether you can directly apply for a green card from your visa type or not.
      Jul 11
  • Oath Atinlay2
    Cool story. How does one persuade a degree?
    Jul 11 1
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      Typo but of course ....
      Jul 11
  • Accenture tydwo
    wait so F1 has path to OPT then H1B

    so what happens if an F1 marries a person that is H1B vs GC vs Citizen?
    Jul 11 5
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      If F1 married a anyone with dual intent and steps out of the country to get the F1 visa stamped they will be denied the visa because now their intent is not 100% to go back to their home country because their spouse has a dual intent visa
      Jul 11
    • Accenture tydwo
      but if married to GC or citizen he/she will eventually get a marriage based restricted GC , right?
      Jul 11
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      I guess ... but haven’t tried that path so not sure lol ... they do ask if you’ve ever been denied a visa and I guess that won’t speak much in your favor
      Jul 11
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      You can be on F1, marry a US citizen, and immediately get an EAD that includes advance parole (travel authorization). You'll no longer be using an F1 visa (or any visa) to enter the country - your entry will be based off of the EAD card itself.

      A few months later you will get an interview where they separately ask intimate questions, and then the physical GC in the mail a week later.
      Jul 11
    • Accenture cczv
      the ideal case is F1 marrying a citizen. if he/she marries a GC holder it's not a fastrack process and there will be a queue. i'm not sure the F1 person needs to go back to the home country or can stay here to continue studies until the whole marriage based GC is done
      Jul 11
  • Lots of F1 come to study and go back without working here. It is now a badge of honor to study abroad and go back.
    Jul 11 1
    • BlackRock / Eng saywat
      OP
      If they can afford it that’s great ... but I see a lot of friends caught in the F1 denials because their spouse is on H1B
      Jul 11
  • Amazon yup!
    I personally think we should take more student graduates and less employment visas.

    Here's a solution:

    Chop down the number of h1b every year by excluding the consulting companies. Reserve those visas for graduating students in STEM programs. Not only tech but also medicine and other sciences.

    Say, set aside half the h1b's for graduating students and accomplish they by eliminating third party employment visas.
    Jul 11 1
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      I agree with eliminating third party placement, actually. Why don't we write a bill, find someone to introduce it, and see how many cosponsors it gets?
      Jul 11
  • Apple / Eng Marijuana
    After OPT, not after degree.

    I agree with making F1 dual intent. It doesn't currently serve a purpose. We want bright folks to stay and less bright folks to leave - this can still be done with dual intent.
    Jul 11 0