What's up with this Amazon WDE 2 offer?

New TfFC43
Feb 8, 2018 28 Comments

Recruiter said there is no way they could do above 160 TC. And when I asked for details they said they won't tell me breakdown until I agree to the number. For L5 Wde2. I have 7 years of experience, 1 year of leadership in that. Am I being lowballed or am I being greedy? This is in Seattle.

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  • Amazon / Eng
    Hooliganss

    Amazon Eng

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    Engineer at AWS
    Hooliganssmore
    I don’t think WDE is the same “tier” as SDE. Isn’t WDE basically a subset of SDE?
    Feb 8, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Engineer at AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      It isn’t? Maybe I have a misunderstanding of what WDE is.
      Feb 9, 2018
    • Amazon dKCN73
      WDE is people willing to working on front end for user, it's not subset of anything. Too many sh*t 'Java script' code in Amazon.
      Feb 9, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

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      Engineer at AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Right, but SDEs do that as well, in addition to the rest of the stack. That’s why I say it’s a subset.
      Feb 9, 2018
    • Amazon odVN70
      Some would call it a specialization, like android developers. Subset sounds sort of demeaning I guess
      Feb 10, 2018
    • Amazon sub line
      It’s not an SDE title, it’s different for now. Currently a new title in progress for frontend focused SDEs which will have same salary band as SDE.
      Feb 22, 2018
  • Jet.com Radman
    WDE is a second class citizen at amazon. Why would you take this low offer and title? Reject offer and move on.
    Aug 14, 2018 0
  • Amazon JHTL17
    That's the max base comp target for an L5. Is this all in base comp or base and RSU grant combined?
    Feb 8, 2018 3
    • New TfFC43
      OP
      I don't know, the recruiter said she can't share breakdown until I agree to it. I told her I needed to discuss with my SO and I'd get back to her.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • New TfFC43
      OP
      It sounded like this was base + signing + RSU on the phone though.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Apple / Eng ktmG64
      The recruiter is giving you the run around. I got an offer and declined to accept. They broke down the numbers before they asked for a decision. Tell the recruiter to stop playing games.
      Feb 8, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    StarVers

    Microsoft Eng

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    Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
    StarVersmore
    What is WDE? Is your 7 years all at US?
    Feb 8, 2018 3
    • New TfFC43
      OP
      Web Development Engineer, AFAIK same as SDE just more focused on front end. And yes, all 7 in US.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      StarVers

      Microsoft Eng

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      Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
      StarVersmore
      Try Microsoft then. Your TC will be similar or higher. Then add the benefits of Microsoft. Your actual income will be 20k more thanks to benefits like no insurance premium, max 401k match etc Also be aware of Amazon’s back vesting schedule for stock. Amazon recruiters seem incompetent so they might be fulling you about TC as well.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Amazon ij
      WDE is not same as SDE. Salaries will be lower. SDE2 earn higher. Ask HR what will be growth path. Ask about how many such position are there.

      Did you try negotiating to be a SDE?
      Feb 10, 2018
  • Twitch LOHn88
    Not disclosing the breakdown is complete BS.
    Feb 8, 2018 1
    • Amazon Dghhh
      Agree, complete BS. Sucks to see recruiters like these around, in SVL AMZN recruiters I have worked with are much better
      Feb 8, 2018
  • Netflix RbkI70
    Smells like bullshit. If you have another offer or choice you should tell them you're not going to play games. Heck, even if there isn't another offer you should push back on them. Not breaking it down means you don't have enough information to tell them yes or no.
    Feb 8, 2018 0
  • Amazon gdma80
    Yeah so, if 160 is your TC then it isn’t “low-ball” per se but def not top of the band either. Also, at Amazon WDE are paid substantially less than SDE. SDE 2 TC is generally 190-240; WDE is 130-180. Source: am a full-stack, called “WDE” at Amazon, and am gonna bounce for FB the *second* the last of my signing RSU’s vest later this year if Amazon doesn’t fix this shit, like, this cycle...
    Feb 8, 2018 4
    • Amazon Dghhh
      ^ This. SDE is the only high paying job family which includes SDET. Everyone else’s comp range is lower by 15-25%. That said @OP how does it compare to your current comp ?
      Feb 8, 2018
    • New TfFC43
      OP
      Scaled for COL my current comp is around 130. So it's definitely a nice increase, just not what I expected.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Amazon Dghhh
      If you are ready to walk away, try to be aggressive and give a $ amount you’ll settle for and say you’re declining otherwise.
      Feb 8, 2018
    • Amazon sub line
      Not so sure about $130-$180 for an L5 WDE. I make more than your baseline as an L4.
      Feb 22, 2018
  • Amazon cvGG87
    I’m pretty sure OP is mistaking. Recruiter probably doesn’t have the exact offer yet so just gave a ballpark. You get your formal offer letter with exact numbers, then you decide whether to sign it or not.
    Feb 9, 2018 1
    • Amazon Vcrhvx
      I agree with this. Of course the break down matters but with amazons vesting schedule you can expect to see about $150k cash the first year, between base and signing bonus with the other $10k in stock. Likely even more than $150k cash though
      Feb 9, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng Kneegrow
    You are being greedy
    Feb 11, 2018 0
  • Salesforce SOG
    Why not telling them yes, getting the numbers and then figuring out what you want to do?
    Feb 8, 2018 0

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