What's with the influx of xenophobic and anti diversity posts lately?

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Jun 21, 2018 132 Comments

Has blind always been this way?

Russian trolls?

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  • Netflix / Eng OKyY23
    I'll give a serious answer here though:

    As a black engineering manager I can tell you that many people in silicon valley truly believe in concepts of racial or gender superiority, and feel threatened or attacked when told their path to engineering was easier than that of a woman or a minority. They don't think we have a diversity problem, they think that women and minorities just aren't good enough.

    Then, they like to point at folks like myself and either say:

    "see you made it with no help of a quota or affirmative action why can't more people do it instead of making excuses"

    Or

    "You're only here filling a quota you're not truly capable"

    In other words, many of the ones trolling are the ones unwilling to even acknowledge disparities in access to the prerequisites for an engineering or tech career - and want to mock and belittle those who try to fix them.
    Jun 21, 2018 34
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      And yes, we are intolerant of your intolerance. Unlike race, being stupid isn't an inalterable physical trait. You've chosen ignorance and deserve to be mocked for that.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      Ditto to you.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      No, I've chosen science
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      Same
      Jun 21, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      LOL sure you have, kiddo. Sure you have.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
    It’s anti diversity quotas. Not anti diversity. It’s equality of opportunity, not outcome.

    These are basic ideas I really would expect liberals to be able to think through and understand the differences therein on their own. But, they are forever conflated by liberals so liberals can shout “racist” without having to put in any effort for proper discourse.

    Even classic liberals, along with conservatives, think you guys are the racist ones. I think this speaks to a large divide where real communication is impossible.
    Jun 21, 2018 45
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Empirical evidence of systemic racism?

      Most interactions with police are traffic stops. A smaller percentage of these result in a searches which in the past few decades have been given the legal precedent to be performed via pretext at the officer’s discretion (i.e. I thought I saw something that made me suspicious). Searches are done more often on black drivers.

      Sentencing is statistically tougher on poor people than rich (when convicted of the same crime) and tougher on blacks or native Americans or Latinos (depending on the area) than on whites.

      Crack sentences were tougher than coke when really the main difference is one is used by poor people and one by wealthier people.

      Whites-backs and rich-poor do drugs at the same rate but poor people with drug convictions fill our prisons-disproportionately black people.

      But here’s why this isn’t a “tribal” issue. Racism is also ideologically employed by politicians to cut welfare (“black welfare queens”) and education. The largest number of people kicked off welfare were white. Poor whites also get shot by police who have been given a go-ahead to be “tough on crime” based on political ideas such as in Hilary Clinton’s “super predator” comment evoking the mythical “black criminal” who is not human enough to reason with.

      Racism is deep and systemic in the US. It’s not Republican vs Democrat — it’s both parties (just the Republicans tend to employ it more to consolidate their base whereas Democrats try to hide their support for things with racist results behind technocratic arguments and downplay or verbally oppose individual racism/bigotry to their base). It’s not that “all white people” materially gain from racism - many (poor) whites are also hurt, if not as directly, from the systems that help maintain modern systemic racism.
      Jun 29, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      That’s not racism, it’s a human trait that can be described as the orienting reflux to novelty. People instinctively group others as one of them or an ‘other’. If they look like you do, you perceive them differently. Hell, it’s even observed in chimps! (Members of a tribe will often go scouting for any individual in their territory that’s not part of their tribe and when they’re found, tear them apart viciously). It’s across all races and ethnic groups (yes even among blacks - read up on the massacres in Rwanda) and is one of the fundamental psychological traits that are observed even after correcting for culture or geography.

      So, no, it’s no t systemic racism. It’s simply the same instinct that makes you favor your child vs others children when you go to watch them play sports. It’s not a white vs black bias, it’s a majority culture bias. It’s not oppression. Learn about it.
      Jun 30, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      ^Nope, not upheld by history. Racial concepts have only existed for a few hundred years. If, say, slavery was the result of the biological drive you describe, why did colonists import “others” to bring them to the Americas? Why’d it take hundreds of years after the start of modern slave-trade for people to define race and begin to create laws around it.

      Why’d many native tribes welcome the first settlers and only become hostile after bad interactions with settlers?

      Why’d classical societies group people by tribe rather than skin color? Why’d feudal societies rank people by caste and religion rather than by race?
      Jul 1, 2018
    • Facebook AsEB37
      Dumbass, even Native American tribes had slaves captured from other tribes. They beheaded the men and raped women and took children as slaves. Same with the Hittites in Europe. Conquest and subjugation has been part of human history since it’s beginning, which is why I point out chimps. There’s no white vs natives or whites vs blacks conspiracy going on. Don’t be thick witted about it. It’s a dumb theory and it’s wrong. Read up and educate yourself about it before considering yourself worthy of your vote, otherwise we’ll have a political mess representing the idiosyncratic incompetence of the ignorant brainwashed folks.
      Jul 1, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Groups warred, yes. But not because of modern concepts of race. These are historically constructed as the way, in US or Latin American countries, the social order worked.

      To say it’s biology in the way you claim, is painting with a way too broad brush. Ok, say we take your view for granted: why is race specifically the way people are “othered” now in certain societies when othering was done on a different basis in past or different kinds of societies?

      If some biological xenophobia was the root, why did laws need to be passed to gradually reduce the status of blacks in Virginia between 1640-1660? You don’t really need to legally assert that the value of certain lives is less if that’s a biologically given assumption. The ability to trace the history of these laws and similar British laws in Ireland that gradually reduced the status of Irish Catholics, leans heavily toward the conclusion that the specific forms of social divisions such as racism are socially constructed through official structures such as courts rather than like some biological or genetic original sin.
      Jul 1, 2018
  • Facebook ZUCC
    "Russian trolls" is fake news you dumb libtard
    Jun 21, 2018 2
    • New / Eng designate
      OP
      Facebook employee taking about fake news, talk about irony
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple qqQQqqQQzz
      Yep I guess the FBI, CIA, the director of National intelligence Dan Coats are all wrong. Guess we should continue to follow FBs automated newsfeed
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Netflix / Eng OKyY23
    Anonymity makes bigots and sociopaths brave.
    Jun 21, 2018 0
  • Uber DAmZP3
    Diversity quota based on US demographic IS xenophobic.
    Jun 21, 2018 14
    • Capital One 94xz
      @DAmZP3 I’m not following you. Diversity is xenophobic but we should hire worldwide? Isn’t hiring worldwide a form of diversity?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      Everyone here likes the idea of diversity, but about half of us only like the idea because it fosters diversity of ideas/culture through a basic assumption that different races are likely to have different characteristics or viewpoints. The other half likes the idea of racial diversity (which is racist, read: modern liberals).

      Diversity systems that negatively impact native whites is xenophobic towards whites. It’s excluding a race. It’s racist. How is this hard to understand.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Capital One 94xz
      My point is that recruiting worldwide is a form of diversity.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      Yes and my point is everyone here likes certain kinds of diversity. It’s just that half of us don’t like racist diversity agendas.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Google 🐇 . . .
      recruiting worldwide is so much more important than racial diversity, imo.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Fidelity Investments UnluckyMRC
    When one party is much more likely to start life at the 100 meter mark without much impediment and another is more likely to start life at the 400 meter mark with hurdles it makes sense imo. The fact that the runner at the 400 meter mark with hurdles can get within distance of the 100 meter runner is astounding in and of itself and is likely a stronger long term hire even if theyre not as "equipped" as the other runner. Situations are unlikely to play out this black and white in all scenarios but raw stats dont lie.
    Jun 21, 2018 3
    • Uber DAmZP3
      You are welcome to quit your job and give your position to a 400 meter person.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Fidelity Investments UnluckyMRC
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng OKyY23
      Hey Uber, a 400 meter person might just terminate your job if you ever get exposed.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Microsoft AygC17
    Blind is officially changing it's name to "Bridge". Because that's where all the trolls live. So tired of all the racist crap, I'm just here for the career insights.
    Jun 21, 2018 2
    • New / Eng designate
      OP
      I guess that solves the question, it has always been like this
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      Rexit

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      Rexitmore
      Actually it really hasn’t ‘always been like this’ on Blind. I’d argue there are crazies and have been crazies on both sides of the aisle the last few years here on Blind - but it is getting worse the more and more folks join.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Middle class conservative individuals have no real control of the economy, but have been ideological bootlickers for the super-rich for so long that they’re not going to blame the people and institutions with actual power... instead they tend to “punch down” and blame people with less power to try and gain a fleeting illusion that they have some control and power in society.

    In extreme forms, this becomes fascism where people don’t just victim-blame, they organize vigilante groups to help reinforce social divisions that they believe are the result of “natural” hierarchy and attack “the left” because it tries to disrupt “nature” in fighting racial and economic inequality.
    Jun 22, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Data DangerRngr
      Marry me
      Jun 26, 2018
    • FireEye R"><{} ^
      Have you known a lot of middle class conservatives in your life time?
      Jun 27, 2018
    • Microsoft / Data DangerRngr
      Middle class is a trick, a joke. Does not exist.
      Jun 27, 2018
  • Microsoft seemsfastr
    Diversity is an obstacle to unity. That's why politics and the country are so fucked up these days. You have everyone fighting for their individual group. There are no shared values anymore because of world views that are not compatible with each other.
    Jun 21, 2018 4
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Things were much better when my group was the only one with any power!
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      Sounds a lot like liberals trying to adjust perceived power discrepancy, via totalitarian power.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Microsoft seemsfastr
      Google why are you separating Americans down identity lines? I thought all men are created equal in this country. Do you see the country as a place of white vs non-white thought? Sounds a bit racist to me.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Google / Eng 🍑☁️
      Yo, what? You're the one who's drawing identity lines. I'm just making fun of the sentiment of your comment
      Jun 21, 2018
  • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
    Insecure white people
    Jun 21, 2018 2
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    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      I mean, I'm not black so I certainly don't care if you call me that. Sure seems to piss white people off that they can't get away with saying that word anymore, tbough.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Apple tuolumne
    I’m pro diversity but anti quota. I think when we have an opportunity to pick diversity, we should as a tie breaker (Don’t bore me on gotcha questions on how to judge candidates equally). And diversity quota doesn’t mean merit bar is lowered. This is what causes so many sphincters to picker up. This fear and loathing that we are somehow lowering the bar if we decide to pick diversity.

    But yeah. I’ve seen a lot of nasty attitudes about this lately.
    Jun 21, 2018 9
    • Apple tuolumne
      Depends on exactly where is the bias happening? Recruiter consideration, recruiter selection, phone screen, onsite, or hiring decision?

      In my experience, it’s not happening at the phone screen levels through onsite. Maybe recruiters are pushing diversity picks up the stack? I don’t know.

      My point is you only apply diversity consideration at the hiring decision after all feedback is in. If you have two deserving candidates and only one position, give it to the diversity candidate, because they met the rest of the qualifications. That’s the only place where it makes sense.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

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      mrballzmore
      Bias can mean worse feedback for minorities, e.g. man: assertive, woman: bitch. You know the research, right?
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      @tuolumne Though this is a much more honorable and well intentioned approach than what is currently implemented in many companies, I don’t think it is at all practical. How would it be possible quantify when two candidates are equivalent? It is not possible.

      And even if it were possible, it is illegal to pick one or other systematically (I.e. by policy) based on race.

      And finally, even if somehow it is possible to objectively and accurately say two candidates are of equal strength, it is not practical or realistic to fall back to racial bias as a tie breaker. In reality racial bias will seep into other areas of the hiring process, inadvertently. We are talking about humans here. It will not be possible to say “be racist but only under these strict circumstances”, and expect this to actually work well.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Apple tuolumne
      As I said I’m my OP, I’m really not interested in debating the feasibility of comparing exact equality of two people. This is impossible. We are human. We give feedback based on (mostly) merit. It gets turned into some kind of a score and then it boils down to do I like this person or that person. What is their background? What is their experience? Blah blah. You will be guaranteed to drill down far enough to find something not equivalent between 2 people other than their race.

      Here’s the thing. We do this already. All the time. And we do it for far more superficial and shallow reasons than gender or race. And that reflects in peoples feedback. People who are jock sniffing Stanford grads will likely rate a mediocre candidate from Stanford higher than someone else who did better from podunk U. People have this bias already. I agree with the Facebook guy on this. I’m just saying it’s already baked in to our current judgements.

      So I definitely see your point. I just think it’s such a smaller signal than what is already influencing our decisions and our judgements.

      When the margins shrink to negligible values, we should promote the minority candidate. I know easy to say in theory.
      Jun 21, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
      It would be simplest to just ignore race of candidates. It should be irrelevant.
      Jun 21, 2018
  • Stupidity is a virus, and it is speading fast recently...
    Jun 25, 2018 0
  • New / Other
    ambitious3

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    ambitious3more
    I've noticed it too. Chief diveristy officer here. I attribute it to ignorance of basic vocabulary. For example, folks misunderstand U.S. history and what diveristy, affirmative action, racism, equity, and equality mean. Without understanding these baseline concepts, folks can't grasp the design of corrective policies. In case folks want to speak ingelligently on the topic and be taken seriously, here are some resources:

    Seeing White Podcast, YWomen, Racial Equity Alliance, Tim Wise SpeakOut Podcast, UC Berkely's Research on the impacts of anti-immigrant prejudice, Out and Equal (LGBTQ+ Equaility in the Workplace), EEOC site (for workplace rights, including for people with diasbilities) and Workplaces Respond (for
    Workplace sexual harassment interventions and training resources)
    Aug 6, 2018 0
  • Microsoft deejvoo
    Basically all diversity has boiled down to is reparatory and biased towards outcome not opportunity.

    This is one place where all CEOs with dicks act like they have no balls and fall on their knees to suck whatever is in front of them blindly.
    Jun 21, 2018 0

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