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- Apple TrimCrookmoreKilling anyone with a heartbeat is murder. Only when the life of the mother is in danger, an abortion can be considered legal. Else No. An Emphatic No.
- Adoption might be an option but how does that mean a good life? Do all babies up for adoption get adopted?
Why bring a child in the world when there's no guarantee of them being raised well.
@QTdN03 a child's life hasn't started until born IMO. Malnourishment, bad environment can lead to severe health and mental problems by adulthood. Why would you want to make them suffer? Some adults aren't capable of raising kids and anti-choice would force them to. If you feel you are strong enough to turn your life around, that's good for you. But that might not be the case of everyone.Jun 15 2
- @realDara, I can’t imagine what dark experiences you’ve had in life to value it so lowly, but try to understand that not everyone feels this way. I’ve known people who were in such a bad place that they attempted suicide—yet they were able to turn things around and are now glad that they failed in the attempt. Most humans are resilient. Millions of people have survived much worse than a bad childhood, and came out as valuable members of society. If you feel like everything has gone wrong in life, and maybe your parents should not have had you, then please talk to someone. Feel free to DM me. I want you to know that things can get better, and I want to help if I can.Jun 15 0
- It shouldn't be illegal. I recently went through an abortion at 6 weeks pregnant. And I am so happy to find supportive care in doctors and nurses. I am happily married for 10 years with 2 kids. I had a traumatic birthing experience during delivery of my second child and I cannot think of going through that process again that left me bed ridden for months. I tore my ligaments and hurt my pelvic bone badly. Its unfortunate that I got pregnant even after using birth control. Both me and my husband knew we will need to terminate and I am glad I was able to make that decision without someone else tell me what I need to do without knowing my health history or financial circumstances, there are so many things before someone makes the decision to abort and its NO ONE's business to interfere but the parents of the unborn.
- New / Finance MWSt70Viability, so about 20-24 weeks. That’s at the absolute latest, personally I think it should be earlier.
It really disgusts me that Democrats have adopted the idea that their should be no restrictions whatsoever up until birth. if the baby can survive outside the womb, it is absolutely immoral to abort. (except for life threatening condition for baby or the mother)
- Why would you want it to be illegal? Do you really want to to spend all that precious TC on a kid you don't want?
- SCOTUS already explained it. It’s fetal viability. The age in which a fetus can survive outside of the uterus in a NICU. Normally this is somewhere after 20 weeks at best.
- Yeah. Wish we could just agree and this and quit this heartbeat fuckery that makes it illegal before a woman even knows she’s Prego.
It is a privacy issue up to midterm. Until then it’s none of your business. After midterm, I’m okay with it being illegal. There’s of course the exception that a mothers life is in danger, and I’m okay with that as long as a panel of doctors back up each case. Again up to some limit. There has to be a point where a woman should accept cesarean if the baby has to come out. If she doesn’t want the baby, there plenty of willing parents to adopt.
I’m with you that I disagree with abortion personally. I wouldn’t want one done if it were my kid. But we just need to accept some fundamental privacy rights here.
- The problem with this is that making it illegal after viability is horribly unfair to women who want to have an abortion between viability and birth.
If that’s what the SCOTUS thinks then the army should abort the lives of the SCOTUS if they don’t start being more fair to womenJul 14 0
- Late-term unless for medical emergency. Otherwise the government can mind their own business
- @Northermer I think only adults who understand that sex creates babies, unkillable, intrinsically valuable lives.. those people should be allowed to have sex. Guns are super cool, but that come with responsibility. If you want to use one, you have to understand the risks, understand the use case, and handle with care. You have to understand someone could die from that gun you have. That is a possible consequence of owning and using it (even accidental). Sex is the same way. Its awesome and great and fun, but you shouldn't be loose or irresponsible with it because it can create life. I'm saying death is not an option. That's all. (:
- @Northerner Exactly! This will disarm the good guys and the bad guys, because bad guys only buy guns through legal means anyway, so banning them means no more shootings! Yes! This. Is. Brilliant. And we need to take them from good guys because we don't want those shooty shoot boom cannons to accident commit a mass murder, because you know guns can go off at anytime. So, yes, take them from responsible gun owners. Think of all of the home invasion self defense shootings we can prevent. I think the home invaders will feel much safer now that they can enter with zero threat of lethal force to stop them. And if they rape your family while holding you at gun point I think we can both agree it's a good thing you didn't have a gun to escalate the situation. It's also a good thing there's no way for the government to impose restrictions on our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, because if that were the case then giving up our guns would be the most mentally handicapped thing to do. I mean, how likely is it that unchecked governments seek more power and control over their people? That's never happened before and resulted in the death of millions and lead to the most deadly wars in history. Shoot, this plan is fool proof. I feel safer already.
- @yeticode I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I get your points I understand them but you ideas will fail, simple as that. If you ban abortions people aren't going to magically stop having sex because they can't have a abortion. You'll just have backdoor abortions. Just because you ban guns doesn't mean people will stop finding ways to kill people.
Personally I probably wouldn't want to get a abortion in the worst case scenario but that's me. I'm pro choice because its none of my business what other people do with their bodies.
Not everyone who gets a abortion is irresponsible with their sex life. No one cares about your thoughts who should be able to have sex. Stop trying to control people lives based on your own morality.Jun 18 1
- @hypebeast I appreciate you being respectful in discourse (it's rare these days.) I think in our society we demonize anyone who stands firm on convictions, so as a result we all just resolve to not step on anyones toes which leads to spineless individuals too scared of confrontation to hold true to anything meaningful, in this case, the sanctity of life. Adoption is always a choice. That is the kicker. Literally just give birth and make the hand off and all of your responsibility is whisked away with a sign of your name. How is that not a better solution than killing?
Also, if the sanctity and intrinsic value of a life is not worth fighting for then what is?
The backdoor abortion line of argumentation fails because in that case we should make rape centers so people can rape in safety and not if gross alley ways where there could be needles laying around and such.
This is a true statement. Not all, but the vast majority are because of irresponsibility. I can snag some stats if that would be helpful to the discussion. The same could be said for your opinion, no one cares whether killing children should be legal. Those statements are not helpful to finding a workable solution. Once again, somethings are worth fighting for and life will always be one of those things we shouldn't roll over on.
- Broadcom Ltd. / Eng tg$ee*$From Sara Geer's quora answer "Babies and even grown adults in our society do not have the legal right to use someone else’s body or organs without their express consent, even to save their own lives. So even if you want to pretend a nonsentient fetal tissue with no real neurological hallmarks of personhood should have full human rights, you STILL can’t ban abortion because NO ONE has the right to someone else’s organs. You can’t even take tissues from a corpse to save a dying child unless that person gave permission for organ donation before death"
- Wow. This kind of extreme rhetoric is what is wrong with this debate.
People are also legally required to take care of kids under their care.
We are also not allowed to murder other people.
If you diminish the value of a fetus by calling it "fetal tissue", don't be surprised when others elevate its value by calling it "a baby". Both sides know that these positions are half truths and yet they continue peddling these arguments.Jun 13 3
- Hi! The thing Sara Geer doesn't take in to account is a little thing called... wait for it... responsibility. Yes, responsibility. Follow me here, what does sex produce? Babies. If you have sex, what should you expect as a possible outcome? Babies. If you engage in sex and a baby is the result, you can't be like "Oh my gosh, this selfish parasite appeared in my stomach, I have the right to mutilate it and tear it apart." No, you chose sex, then you chose children. If you want to have sex, that's awesome, sex it up. Just know that if you create a baby, well, you can't kill it. How come America has lost all responsibility over their sex life?
- When murder is generally considered a socially acceptable practice? Oops. I read the question as “when should it be legal”...
- Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
Termination: the act of ending something, or the end of something:
Merriam's given example "the termination of life"
Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Or, in non-offensive abortionist speak:
Murder: the unlawful deliberate termination of one human being by another.
Kill: to deprive of life : cause the death of
So, abortion is depriving humans of life (i.e. killing them) so the next question is should that be legal. Well, killing humans is already outlawed (i.e. murder), so this is no different, it's just smaller victims.Jun 19 1
- ViaSat / Design mark1650Morning after pill, condoms, abstinence, rythm...lots of other options. For reasons other than I just don't want a baby I'm more open minded.
- First of all I never said it should be free. I said make it more accessible and affordable. Abortion is the highest amongst people in poverty and minorities, yeah you can steal and buy condoms but how easy is it to get birth control when your family doesn’t have health insurance. Birth control isn’t over the counter, the only BC you can buy OTC is plan B which will run you over $45.
I’ll tell my friends to keep their legs closed when you tell your boys to stop asking for sex and keep their dick in their shorts.Jun 13 2
- Microsoft it.Tough question.
Destroying egg of an eagle can land you in jail. Pro-killing activists advocate not only abortion, but for government to pay you for killing your unborn baby. People may argue, there are too many humans and few eagles. But for killing a human after birth, especially a baby, you may end up on a death row. Go figure 😟
On the other hand, people make dumb choices. Especially dumb people, who will fail to use condoms or pills, nor will take a responsibility for a kid. Essentially, making it your problem. Person doesn't even need to be dumb. 16 year old girl gets 🤰, her life and career is ruined, she hates the kid etc. Would it be better if she had a choice, went to college, got a degree and good job and had a baby whenever she's ready?
- CACI / Eng MaknBombs"her life and career is ruined, she hates the kid etc. Would it be better if she had a choice, went to college, got a degree and good job and had a baby whenever she's ready?"
This is my biggest conflict. It feels like pro-life also doubles as "keep the poor people poor."
If there was enough federal assistance that a single teen mother could still go to school and make a better life for herself, I'd be more willing to talk about making abortions illegal.
As it stands though, poor women are disproportionately likely to have a terrible or non-existent sex education and all too commonly fall into the cycle of early pregnancy and being saddled with a child.
- @MaknBombs There are too many steps between abortion and keeping poor people poor. There are too many other factors why poor people remain poor. You'd have to know what fraction of people get out of poverty because of abortion to say there is any causal connection at all.
- The Home Depot FPQk51When the fetus becomes viable. A 6 week fetus is not viable. Heartbeat means nothing. At 20 weeks it becomes trickier. The chances of a fetus surviving outside its mothers womb has definitely increased earlier and earlier in the gestation period. That’s where the real debate should be. Heartbeat bills are unethical and unscientific.
- An viable infant outside of its mothers womb can be taken care of by other people. It can breathe, eat and exist on its own. A 6 week gestated fetus has nothing that will allow it to exist outside of its mothers womb. Yes, heartbeat means nothing. A heartbeat alone doesn’t mean existence.Sep 1 0
- Never before the baby is born. After the baby is born, always. If someone else is INSIDE your stomach and won’t leave when asked, you have the right to defend yourself.
- I think the legal boundary should be at birth. After the child is born naturally it should be illegal to abort. While the victim is still inside the mother, it should be legal, IMHO.
- I know you’re joking but it’s a serious topic so I am going to take it seriously. Falcon punching someone for the purpose of causing an abortion without the mother’s permission should never be legal. The only time it should be legal to falcon punch someone without their permission is in the case of justice warrioring (the recipient of the punch was a threat to justice)Jul 19 1