Where in the world should I live?

Tesla / Other 7383heu3iw
Jul 2 664 Comments

Lived 10+ yrs in the US (mostly bay area), need a change of air. Feel lost all of a sudden as to where I would be happy living!

Software Eng. Career is important, but not so important that I'd have to live with 3 roommates in the Bay Area in my 30s 😂 (I'm exaggerating, but you know what I mean).

Non US citizen, single, early 30s. I prefer dense, international cities who are culturally open minded.

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  • Twitter wow2
    What race r u? Yes it matters.

    Aka ppl in Asia like whites way more than blacks
    Jul 3 11
    • Microsoft BillBezos
      From India. 100% true that people from India are racists.
      Jul 6
    • Adobe / Eng Pieceful
      Indian here. Yes, Indians are racist even amongst themselves and are very proud of it.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon / Eng cayde
      Lol, I'm guessing all the people accusing wow2 of being racist were raised in America?

      It's 100% true.
      Hell, some Asian countries don't even like neighboring countries! Like Japan and Korea. Or Japan and China. Or Korea and Japan. :p
      Jul 6
    • Amazon jQpf16
      Its not an accusation if its true.
      Jul 8
    • Indians and Asians (Chinese) are the most racists.
      They would die before they date a black but would kill to date a white.

      P.S. I am an Indian.
      Jul 14
  • Uber suchwow
    At this point I’ve lived in a bunch of major cities and I’m realizing that at the end of the day, what most people need to be happy is ~10 good friends you wouldn’t mind rotating your weekends between, and close enough access to family (like you can see them once a month). The rest is all in your head. You’ll find reasons to hate anywhere if the above are missing.
    Jul 6 4
    • Tesla / Other 7383heu3iw
      OP
      Truth!
      Jul 6
    • Nvidia TlUI53
      Username checks out. Such wow!!!
      Jul 7
    • Microsoft Wjdrykbs8;
      Haha lucky one, we, immigrants, can’t see our family for years.. thanks to your president
      Jul 7
    • Uber suchwow
      Bro, I’m an immigrant too. The system sucks but there are ways to see your family often esp if you have the privilege of tech job flexibility and salary.
      Jul 8
  • Google FfEA67
    Delhi
    Jul 3 16
    • Tesla 100thievea
      Rape capital FTW 🙌🏻
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft uywkp
      North india sucks
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft BillBezos
      South india sucks too. Gujarat, Maharashtra is best
      Jul 6
    • Medallia dealNoDeal
      The last two commets describe the state of India, regions fighting among themselves
      Jul 6
    • Amazon
      lakahd

      Amazon

      PRE
      Amazon, Salesforce, Google, Microsoft, Apple
      lakahdmore
      Indians don't like Indians. 22 fcuking mother-tounges in India means 22 countries. Arrogance & blatant internal-racism in conversations are normal.
      Jul 7
  • Amazon / Eng utu
    Sydney, AU
    Jul 2 14
    • Uber zhdbwb
      Melbournes half price rent, way better bars, restaurants and nightlife. Theres actually clubs open after midnight unlike Sydney with their weird lockout laws. Tech scene is a bit sad though.
      Jul 6
    • Atlassian / Ops YeIi10
      One of my co-workers described Sydney as the best city he'd never live in again - the distance from his family and in-laws in Canada got to be problematic for him. Still, it is a lovely city, and the food is quite good.
      Jul 6
    • Okta / Other wep31l
      Okta is hiring for Sydney Australia.
      Jul 6
    • Nordstrom
      CaptainA$$

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      CaptainA$$more
      Some tech companies are there while most of the hi on market is in Banking/Investment domain. All tech work is towards QA and maintenance except for big Tech companies who opened their offices recently.

      I was there for over a year before coming to the US. I was a consultant and IT job market was not that hot as here in the US. This is ~5 years back.

      It's good to spend a year or two in Sydney. Laid back culture and no pressure. Easy and calm life compared to SFO/Seattle/NYC. By that time, you'll start missing US and would look for coming back.
      Jul 7
    • New usTX76
      I'd like to go to Australia, but I don't speak Australian. I'd better start learning new languages so I can discover the world.
      Jul 9
  • Tesla InmR60
    San Diego is an amazing place to live
    Jul 2 6
    • Tesla InmR60
      I'm fully remote for tesla but yes I do live in San Diego and after living in seattle and the bay area I love this place so much more. Great food, beautiful beaches and weather, great people and environment too!
      Jul 3
    • Amazon gDVc56
      I love San Diego too, that's where I want to move to eventually! Hopefully the tech market will pick up behind just the likes of Qualcomm and Intuit... Amazon has a small office there too I guess...
      Jul 6
    • LinkedIn Zeiwkf5
      Amazon has a SD office. San Diego is awesome.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon / Eng NiYQ54
      Are you a software engineer? That job would be a dream.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon 💩4brains
      @gDVc56 Sony PlayStation is also in San Diego if I'm not mistaken. There are also some video game publishers in the San Diego area such as rock star games.
      Jul 7
  • Google sooner y
    Surprised at all the comments saying Switzerland. I live in Zurich and can't wait to go back to California lol
    Jul 3 5
    • New s-works
      Y?
      Jul 3
    • Twitter wow2
      Why?
      Jul 3
    • Facebook / Eng instandidl
      Is it true there isn’t much in terms do Asian food there?
      Jul 3
    • Google sooner y
      It's true, Asian food is very limited here. Think restaurants that simultaneously serve Thai, sushi, Chinese, Vietnamese, and salad. Yes, there *are* somewhat better places, but it's far a few between. Overall both quality and selection are seriously lacking, even abysmal.

      As for Zurich itself, its a nice enough place to live for those with a family who want a quiet and safe existence. It's a clean environment and mostly pretty civilized, but the environment can feel small, quite cold and stifling. For someone who is used to the amenities, variety, diversity, food and entertainment and shopping options, and larger personal spaces of metropolitan California, it's a tough adjustment.
      Jul 3
    • Apple
      Ana al Haq

      Apple

      BIO
      Ana al Haq w’al Haq hi’ana
      Ana al Haqmore
      Agreed, I lived in Zurich and Geneva and couldn't wait to gtfo. Switzerland is a beautiful country and Zurich is fantastic to visit. If you're not used to everything closing at 6 pm, or being a ninja past 10pm, it's a hell hole. I had so much trouble with my neighbors it was driving me insane!
      Jul 4
  • Apple
    Ana al Haq

    Apple

    BIO
    Ana al Haq w’al Haq hi’ana
    Ana al Haqmore
    I'd say be brave and head out to Asia or South America!

    I've lived in Germany, France, Switzerland, London, LA, SF, and traveled plenty to NY.

    London - I'd go so far as calling it my second home, lived there for many years, and always stop there on my way to Europe.
    Pros: earn the highest salary in Europe, pub culture is fun if you're into it, public transport, the entertainment - always something to do
    Cons: too expensive, rainy and humid weather

    Berlin - love visiting the city, but not for living
    Pros: cultural city, not comparable to London but has its perks and charm, public transport
    Cons: High taxes on so so salary, Berlin is getting more and more expensive as well, need to learn German unless you already speak it, German culture takes time to adapt to

    Munich - been there on business many times
    Pros: lots of beer gardens, plenty of tech companies present, affluent city, summers are amazing, public transport
    Cons: Expensive city, cold winters, adapting and learning German culture and language if you aren't familiar

    LA - I love LA it's home. LA has everything
    Pros: more affordable than the Bay area, decent salaries, the beach, the weather, the entertainment
    Cons: Traffic...traffic...traffic...traffic, if you like cities like SF, London, and NY, it takes time to get used to LA as it's spread out, which means .... traffic... the job market isn't as hot as the Bay area

    NY - you either love it or hate it
    Pros: jobs in Banking mean decent salaries, always stuff to do
    Cons: Weather, traffic, expensive

    Zurich and Geneva - beautiful cities to visit, unless you're planning to retire and are loaded
    Pros: beautiful, amazing for skiing and hiking, high salaries, surrounded by cheaper countries, so start planning trips!
    Cons: If Germans are peculiar, then the Swiss are nuts! Definitely, a culture shock, very expensive country, did I mention how expensive it is?
    Jul 4 7
    • Apple
      Ana al Haq

      Apple

      BIO
      Ana al Haq w’al Haq hi’ana
      Ana al Haqmore
      If I didn't have family commitments I would have packed up and left for China, Singapore, or anywhere in Asia; I'm not Asian but find the rapid growth over there to be very exciting and I have fond memories and positive experience from work trips to Shanghai and Hong Kong and vacations to Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Vietnam. If you want to enjoy your life with more WLB then you can't really beat Europe. Nowhere else will you get 4-5 weeks of vacation and a bunch of public holidays. I've done most of my traveling while working in Europe.

      With LA, the closer you are to your work, the happier you'll be.

      If you end up working for Warner Bros. or Disney or have a job in DT LA then Pasadena, Glendale, La Cañada, Sherman Oaks are good spots. Silver Lake and Echo Park are gentrified and happening if you don't mind some roughness.

      Hollywood, West Hollywood is good for Apple, Netflix, Paramount Pictures, MGM, Ticketmaster and a bunch of other companies.

      Pacific Palisades, Santa Monica, Venice - good spots for Amazon, Google, and a bunch of startups on the west side.

      If you go a bit south, Manhattan Beach, Redondo Beach, Long Beach are good spots; Long Beach being the most affordable of the three.

      I'm not too familiar with Orange County, but I hear it's a great place to live with areas such as Irvine, Hermosa Beach, Aliso Viejo, and Newport Beach.
      Jul 5
    • Apple TheNiceGal
      Work culture in China is horrible tough. 9 9 6 everywhere.
      Jul 6
    • Intel KJU
      What’s 9 9 6
      Jul 6
    • Apple TheNiceGal
      9am - 9pm, 6 days a week. Jack Ma coined the term.
      Jul 6
    • Apple
      Ana al Haq

      Apple

      BIO
      Ana al Haq w’al Haq hi’ana
      Ana al Haqmore
      Get a job with Disney in Shanghai and you’ll be living a pretty decent life. If you can work for a foreign company in China, you’ll have better wlb.
      Jul 6
  • Facebook / Eng instandidl
    Why would anyone choose to move to Toronto?
    Jul 3 4
    • Facebook xxxxxxxx5
      Can’t get a US visa. Tbh Canada shouldn’t be allowed to be a country.

      Independent since 1982, less than a generation and proven themselves incompetent at governing themselves.

      Imagine if we had Trudeau’s ancestor instead of George Washington
      Jul 3
    • Adobe mUlY57
      What are you talking about xxxx? Nothing you've said makes any sense or is cited.
      Jul 6
    • Google MusicGeek
      Incompetent at governing? Compared to u.s.: better primary schools, less poverty, less crime of all kinds
      Jul 6
    • New usTX76
      ahaha xxxxxxxx5 is such a jerk. I wish he was a troll, but he is just stupid af
      Jul 9
  • Leanplum pastaman
    How much do you care about there being hot girls?
    Jul 3 5
    • Tesla / Other 7383heu3iw
      OP
      Yes
      Jul 3
    • Amazon / Eng pyninja
      Yes
      Jul 6
    • LinkedIn
      tendies

      LinkedIn

      BIO
      sex work, quantum computing, and crypto HFT
      tendiesmore
      🤦‍♀️
      Jul 6
    • Verizon Media sxSG85
      It indeed comes down to primal needs. Also,Yes!
      Jul 9
    • New usTX76
      this much
      Jul 9
  • Booking.com nwMR12
    Netherlands. Reasons:
    Very open minded, one of the few countries in the world that allows same sex marriages.
    Almost everyone speaks English.
    I have been living here for almost five years and never experienced any racism.
    There is something called "30% tax ruling" for expats, which lets you save good amount of money.
    Easy to become a property owner because of low mortgage interest rates.
    Very well connected to rest of the world, Schiphol has direct flights to almost all the continents.
    Public transport is good and roads are bike friendly.
    Plenty of companies that offer relocation support. Examples booking.com, TomTom, Coolblue, Phillips etc.
    Jul 6 10
    • Zillow Group AL2453z
      Yeah, pretty much everyone I have ever met from Holland has been extremely racist.

      And one of the only places that allows same-sex marriage? Almost all developed countries and quite a few developing countries allow it now.
      Jul 7
    • Booking.com nwMR12
      I am not in a senior position, I am developer at booking.com and I make 82k euro per annum.
      Jul 7
    • Booking.com nwMR12
      @indeed can you elaborate about the paycut?
      Jul 7
    • New usTX76
      82k what ??? Dolar or Euros for fuck sake
      Jul 9
    • Booking.com nwMR12
      I corrected it, but given that I said that I work in Amsterdam, i thought it was obvious that it is euro
      Jul 10
  • New / Eng PQQw63
    Southeast asia ( Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam)
    Jul 2 0
  • New / Eng rresoisnco
    Shenzhen
    Jul 3 3
  • Illumina / Mgmt ILMN
    Singapore is a great option. Decent tech scene. Low taxes. Good expat crowd. Very convenient for travel around Asia. I worked there for a couple years before moving to the Bay and thoroughly enjoyed my experience
    Jul 6 14
    • Google FgLS68
      I heard FB SWE make $300k. So clearly your facts are wrong.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon PltYhEn
      SGD maybe, not USD. It's highly unlikely that you make the same salary in Sgp vs Bay Area. I live in Singapore, the salaries are not the same at all in general
      Jul 6
    • Google FgLS68
      If you get hired from USA and move over there you can expect a similar package. That’s what I’m trying to do.
      Jul 6
    • LinkedIn agenam
      My big issue with Singapore has always been the temperature/humidity and everything man made.

      You go from your air conditioned apartment to air conditioned buses to air conditioned offices to air conditioned malls. Every single day. Except when you go to Sentosa, but even that along with the ‘beach’ is man made 😒

      The hills behind my place in Saratoga have more wildlife than all of Singapore.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon PltYhEn
      Yeah it's a comfortable city, but can be boring af for a lot of people
      Jul 6
  • New / Mgmt
    joVa81

    New Mgmt

    PRE
    BMO, Finastra, RBC, Scotiabank
    joVa81more
    Man, don't make a stupid move. If you love technology, stay in SV. The grass is always greener on the other side. The reality is that outside of SV techies are treated as second world citizens. You will never have a meaningful career and will battle dumb cultures embracing manual labour vs. Automation. If you want a cheaper place to live, build a great relationship with management if your SV company and ask them to work remotely. So you can move further away in a cheaper place. Toronto is not suitable for techies. Don't move.
    Jul 6 5
    • New / Mgmt
      joVa81

      New Mgmt

      PRE
      BMO, Finastra, RBC, Scotiabank
      joVa81more
      20 year in Toronto. I wasted my life here. Don't repeat my mistake.
      Jul 6
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      Haha. Yeah, stay in the overpriced SV where a shithole basically costs $1m+
      Jul 6
    • New / Mgmt
      joVa81

      New Mgmt

      PRE
      BMO, Finastra, RBC, Scotiabank
      joVa81more
      Have you checked prices in Toronto? You can no longer buy an SH place for $1M. Houses here start at $2.5M, but good luck finding an SV comparable salary. My friend tech entrepreneur pays $10k in rent per month and banks wouldn't give him a mortgage. And he rents just a mediocre single-family crapy house.
      Jul 6
    • EPAM Systems ExplodingBanana
      One more reason to avoid major metro areas. Suburbs for the win. Orange county is a pretty decent alternative to SV. Can't think one reason to pick SV over OC in fact
      Jul 6
    • @joVa81 what's wrong with Toronto? As afar as I know it's already the best of what Canada can offer.
      Jul 6
  • Uber Luisito
    Himalayas (Mukteshwar/Landsdowne, India/Pokhara, Nepal)
    Jul 6 2
    • Airbnb updoot
      +1 for ruining this too!
      Jul 6
    • T-Mobile Vrep88
      Pokhara is Beautiful and very cheap to live !
      Jul 6
  • eBay / Product blitzer
    Mexico City, Mexico
    Medellin or Bogota, Colombia
    São Paulo, Rio, Brasil
    Santiago, Chile

    Once you go Latin America, you’ll never want to move back to the US. People speak decent English and you could learn some Spanish, accepting culture no matter what race you are, amazing food, low cost of living, growing tech scene and some of the most beautiful women who are not on Instagram taking selfies all day like in the US.
    Jul 6 6
    • eBay / Product blitzer
      It’s easier to transfer if your company has a location there. Permanent residency in Colombia from what I’ve read is 2 years I believe but a lawyer would be able to confirm.
      Jul 6
    • Atlassian / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

      Atlassian Eng

      PRE
      Facebook
      BIO
      A prematurely grumpy somewhat old man
      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Mexico has beautiful spots, but Mexico City is polluted, overcrowded and expensive by local standards.(May be a little better on the pollution situation, it's been a while since I lived there.) Not sure how much the security problems from Northern Mexico have made it to the Central region.

      I wouldn't touch Brazil from a safety perspective. Didn't even like it as a tourist.

      I don't know individual Colombian cities but I hear good things.

      Santiago, Buenos Aires, and Montevideo are all potentially great choices
      Jul 6
    • Drive.ai zyz
      Agreed with @atlassian on Brazil. It's a great country, but not safe at all.
      Jul 6
    • eBay / Product blitzer
      Like any major city, there are good and bad areas. If I roll into Compton or south central in LA with a fancy watch, expensive car, of course I’m gonna get mugged.

      I’ve been to Rio, São Paulo, Fortaleza, Recife, Curitiba, Floripa and Porto Alegre and never felt unsafe. I was also with 2 other friends, not alone so this may have been a factor. I also didn’t venture out to the favelas although I hear it’s not as bad. Safety depends on a lot of things. Just don’t do things that scream “I’m a tourist”, learn street smarts and don’t do things that catch attention and you’ll be just fine. People especially here in US think Brasil is like City of God movie, those days are in the past.
      Jul 6
    • Atlassian / Eng
      Luffy, M.D

      Atlassian Eng

      PRE
      Facebook
      BIO
      A prematurely grumpy somewhat old man
      Luffy, M.Dmore
      Also Bolsonaro makes Trump look like a nice guy
      Jul 6
  • TomTom International AvXc27
    Amsterdam? Full of tech jobs
    Jul 6 4
    • Nvidia gruse
      What companies are there in Amsterdam?
      Jul 6
    • TomTom International / R&D
      AvXc27

      TomTom International R&D

      PRE
      IBM
      BIO
      R&D Engineer with a PhD in Computer Science. Interested in ubiquitous computing, big data, machine learning and ai used to study the human behavior.
      AvXc27more
      Uber, Amazon, Booking, Netflix, Tesla, Philips, TomTom, Databricks, Oracle and few positions at Google also
      Jul 6
    • Amazon toreador
      Is TomTom still alive? I thought they demolished your office to build the new Booking headquarters...
      Jul 6
    • Databricks XKsl654g
      Add Databricks to the list of companies in Amsterdam
      Jul 6
  • Wipro / IT ifwe04
    Given the current political climate, get out of the US
    Jul 6 4
    • Google MusicGeek
      Agreed. 40+% still think Trump is da bomb. What kind of civilized country is that? I'm embarrassed to travel anywhere internationally as an American nowadays.
      Jul 6
    • Wipro / IT ifwe04
      I work with people all around the world. Invariably I end up apologizing
      Jul 6
    • Google MusicGeek
      Are you sure you're not Canadian 😃
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft / Eng
      hmboy17

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
      Dell, Cognizant
      hmboy17more
      It’s bull shit to say political climate bad in the country.... economy is far better than what was when Mr bind was running country for eight years. Didn’t hear any legal immigrants are kicked out but rather he is trying to fix the problem which I can tell you only guy who could fix it vs election rhetoric.

      If stopping illegal immigrants to enter or asking those to leave who already entered is a problem that I actually support him. People needs to come out of this new world socialist mentality.

      I am an immigrant myself.
      Jul 6
  • Intuit tgfi
    Tel Aviv, it’s a party
    Jul 3 3
    • Too expensive. Go to Haifa 😊
      Jul 3
    • TuneIn WsvF24
      Haifa is a sleepy kingdom
      Jul 8
    • Cornerstone Vtyi00
      Did this, getting a work visa was a huge pain in the ass even with the “7 day processing time” but 1 year in and don’t plan to leave
      5d
  • Facebook xxxxxxxx5
    What’s your nationality, ethnicity, and gender? Unfortunately i think in this world the answer to this matters.
    Jul 3 0