Which is more prestigious to work for sdet 2 @ amazon vs sr sdet @ apple

Amazon 2930
Jul 29, 2017 41 Comments

i am sdet 2 at amazon and have an offer from apple. just wondering if apple is actually a good call.

also if someone can tell me what to expect from a sr. sdet package at apple.

lastly, does policy at apple allow
1. changing of teams.
2. changing of roles from sdet to sde.
3. relocating feom one country to another.
Over here in amazon it is pretty common to see people moving across teams/countries. Is it the same easy system @ apple too??

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TOP 41 Comments
  • Zillow Group SvfL48
    prestigious for whom?
    Jul 29, 2017 2
    • Facebook Raichu
      Haha
      Jul 29, 2017
    • FastSpring / Eng
      RickS_C137

      FastSpring Eng

      PRE
      Amazon, garmin
      RickS_C137more
      Dowry
      Jul 29, 2017
  • BlackBerry c3por2d2
    Apple is a better company in terms of culture, innovation and ethics
    Jul 29, 2017 6
    • Amazon / Eng pufferwish
      I'll let the first two things you listed slide but idk if you can say Apple has better ethics than anyone lmao
      Jul 30, 2017
    • BlackBerry c3por2d2
      Let it slide, I don't care. Better than Amazon for sure. Do you have facts and data to prove otherwise?
      Jul 30, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng pufferwish
      there are no such things as "facts and data" for opinions, my little butterfly 😂
      Jul 31, 2017
    • BlackBerry c3por2d2
      I will let your biased opinion slide, you Amazon Minion
      Jul 31, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      mUqi08more
      Apple usually gives you a week off during Thanksgiving on company's dime, Amazon you are on call. Apple don't always give you rsu year after year, but it really depends on which team you are in, and it is not easy to transfer because they value subject experts more than internal culture like leadership principal. employee discounts are good at Apple but a joke at Amazon. work can be tough in either depends on team and projects. less to no on call at Apple but you deal with factory fallout a lot. you do a lot of traveling to factory because they don't chance line stop, you fly business class and stay in four season though, instead of the "$110 per night downtown Seattle hotel" Carlson Wagonite says is availabe.

      pick the one with more potential growth.
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Amazon brobro
    are you doing interesting work at your current position ? are you paid well ? are you learning new things and improving your skills set? why would one care about prestige?
    Jul 29, 2017 0
  • Apple pch053
    As far as changing teams, I will say it's a bit trickier at Apple than in Google or FB. Based on what you are saying about Amazon, I feel it's easier to change teams in Amazon than in Apple. I have changed team in Apple; so it's surely possible and can be done without burning bridges but one needs to be a bit careful.
    Jul 30, 2017 6
    • Apple pch053
      You have to inform your manager first before you formally interview with another team. If the other team offers you the position, it's usually fine and both managers decide on the transition date. It can be a bit uneasy for you If the other team doesn't offer you the position. But I have seen mangers to be supportive of internal transfer in most cases.
      Jul 30, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng pufferwish
      man that sounds awkward
      Jul 30, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      another thing
      what is the expected time at which you see people moving from ict3 to 4. i know that it all depends upon person to person and contribution etc etc but i wanted to know about some average.
      also i have 6.5 yrs of experience and i am offered ict3. is it ok to push for ict4?
      Aug 1, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      @pch053
      another thing
      what is the expected time at which you see people moving from ict3 to 4. i know that it all depends upon person to person and contribution etc etc but i wanted to know about some average.
      also i have 6.5 yrs of experience and i am offered ict3. is it ok to push for ict4?
      Aug 1, 2017
    • Apple pch053
      I will suggest start with ICT3 and then push for ICT4 in the next 1-2 years. You will get a good RSU bump when you get promoted to ICT4 from ICT3. You probably will start at the high end of ICT3 and it should take you shorter than usual time to move to ICT4. If you start at ICT4, you can be there for a while (moving from ICT4 to ICT5 is not easy) and won't get the RSU bump for promotion.
      Aug 1, 2017
  • Apple
    UglyFace

    Apple

    BIO
    Save up your RSUs, cash them, and get plastic surgery to make yourself look better. It's the only way to improve your life.
    UglyFacemore
    Neither. Being good looking is the most prestigious
    Jul 30, 2017 0
  • Apple / Eng zxcsdf
    Don’t do it .i moved from amazon to Apple Sde2 to sr software . Moving to SDET is different though , if you really want to go , ask about the type of work and the projects .
    Apple can match / top up Amazon offers easily . Also the annual bonus and rsu grants are better .
    Jul 29, 2017 4
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      how are the policy in terms of moving between teams, roles and geography. is it as easy as in amazon
      Jul 29, 2017
    • Apple / Eng zxcsdf
      It’s similar , not as easy as amazon for sure .
      Jul 29, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      i need another info from you. In how much time do people generally move from ICT3 to 4 at apple. I know that it depends on your performance and so on, but what would be the average. like if i have to tell for amazon l4 to l5 i would say generally it takes about 3 years to move up.
      Jul 31, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      another thing
      what is the expected time at which you see people moving from ict3 to 4. i know that it all depends upon person to person and contribution etc etc but i wanted to know about some average.
      also i have 6.5 yrs of experience and i am offered ict3. is it ok to push for ict4?
      Aug 1, 2017
  • FamilySearch / Eng iamgroot14
    What is the offer?
    Jul 29, 2017 5
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      still waiting for that
      Jul 29, 2017
    • FamilySearch / Eng iamgroot14
      I heard they merged sdet and sde into to the same title at amazon, is that true?
      Jul 29, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      no
      that has been done at msft
      Jul 29, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      mUqi08more
      my team lie about hiring SDET role but in reality just wanted SQA though. they want people who can code but do manual labor.
      Aug 7, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      leave the team
      Aug 7, 2017
  • Amazon frumious
    Instead of changing companies and starting over completely, would you consider just changing teams and moving to Orange County, CA?

    For the record, this is my first attempt to use Blind as a recruiting tool, so I can't wait to see how this community responds. :)
    Jul 31, 2017 2
    • Apple / Eng jml86
      Someone had to be first. Let me grab my pitchfork and we can commence with the hunt.
      Aug 1, 2017
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      @jml86
      another thing
      what is the expected time at which you see people moving from ict3 to 4. i know that it all depends upon person to person and contribution etc etc but i wanted to know about some average.
      also i have 6.5 yrs of experience and i am offered ict3. is it ok to push for ict4?
      Aug 1, 2017
  • Amazon / Mgmt
    yzzx11

    Amazon Mgmt

    BIO
    Kick ass and take names.
    yzzx11more
    Depends on the team and your project.

    iOS, Etc might be legit from Apple.

    AWS prolly for Amazon.
    Jul 29, 2017 2
    • Amazon xibru6rh
      aws doesn't have sdets
      Jul 30, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Amazon
      mUqi08more
      not true, our team has 3
      Aug 7, 2017
  • New wAEG44
    Don't know if this helps, but http://levels.fyi to see where it lines up
    Aug 4, 2017 1
    • Amazon 2930
      OP
      thank you so much
      this is such a relevant info
      answers all questions

      thanks again
      Aug 6, 2017
  • Apple / Eng HappyHack
    Wth is SDET ?
    Jul 29, 2017 1
    • BlackBerry c3por2d2
      Software Development Engineer in Test
      Jul 29, 2017
  • Apple / Eng jml86
    See pch053 reply.
    Aug 1, 2017 0