Which offer to choose ?

Facebook blinder$
May 14 76 Comments

I have the following offers for Senior SWE roles in Seattle.

The format is base/sign on/initial stock grant/bonus percentage

Google- L5
185/50/670/15%

Twitter- Senior SWE
195/40/560/20%

Uber- Senior SWE (5a)
192/65/715/15%

Which one to choose ?

YOE: 3.5, current TC: 320k (E5)

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    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Alright, I am done with you. Good luck with your analysis.
      May 14
    • Intel / Engmentalment
      OP, can I DM you?
      May 14
    • Fb has fast growth for new grads. E3 to e4 has a 2 yr limit (a lot of ppl say 1-1.5 is median), and e4 to e5 has a 33 month limit. Up or out policy. Making e5 within 4 yrs isn’t rare I imagine at all.
      May 15
    • Adobe tDYD64
      Either the op is a genius or a super troll. A 3.5 year experience can barely author f/w libraries let alone system design. So congrats for this over achievement.
      May 15
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      YOE doesn’t mean crap. You guys need to get over that crude mentality. You guys are assuming that everyone has same intellectual ability and is learning at the same rate regardless which company/project they work on. Which is utter BS

      Mark Zuckerberg became the CEO with 5 yoe.
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      The numbers seem legit, they are pretty close to the numbers I got from Uber and Google. Also OP seems to be diligently replying to all comments and showing seriousness on the advices. So unlikely to be fake according to me.

      Btw, I heard that Cruise Automation doesn’t pay well, so I canceled their onsite. Why you went there from FB ?
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      Wow, how is the wlb there? What’s your YOE ?
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      Yeah Never been built before , but you aren’t the only one working on it. Uber, lyft, waymo, Tesla all are on it
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      Uber has pretty good WLB from what I heard
      May 15
    • Facebook baklulu
      Dang, I should have interviewed at Cruise, I cleared the phone screen but canceled the onsite as Blinders said they don’t pay well
      May 15
  • Microsoft blind1186
    Man, you are killing it! I wish to get these kind of offers someday.
    May 143
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Sure, you can do it. I thought I could never be able to crack any interview, but FB’s crazy work load forced me to prepare and here we are !
      May 14
    • Microsoft blind1186
      Thanks for kind words man. What’s easy for you is very difficult for me. You are getting all these offers because you have special something other than ability to Leetcode fast enough.
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      That’s just your state of mind. I failed my initial interviews pretty miserable as I didn’t do enough preparation.

      Prepare well and you should be good. It’s all about learning and growing.
      May 14
  • Facebook blinder$
    OP
    Why is blind so biased towards Google 🧐
    May 140
  • Riverbed Technology MvVh20
    OP is a rockstar for sure. Congrats dude
    May 140
  • Microsoft pichaindl
    Salut! How did you land those offers? Can you mentor me? :D
    May 146
    • New pbYo77
      I would also like to know this. Feels like I need to jump into ML or something to get these kind of offers
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      I am not ML specialist

      I am a system generalist with some distributed systems knowledge
      May 14
    • New pbYo77
      Could you enlighten us on your career trajectory? With that YOE, you reached L5 pretty quickly
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      It’s easy to get promoted at FB if you are willing to compromise your wlb and focus on the right problems.

      For the interviews I said the recruiters I won’t bother interviewing if they don’t offer me E5 equivalent. I focused hard on system design and behavioral interviews
      May 14
    • Cisco soyj75
      What did you do for system design?
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      My work at FB helped me, as I was working on an open source high scale distributed systems
      May 14
  • Intel / EngAQup26
    Congrats! Very good offers! Google hires L5 with 3.5 YoE? How did you get them to interview you at that level?
    May 141
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      G recruiter was pushing hard for L4. I told him L5 or GTFO. He gave in.
      May 14
  • Google fneucnc
    Bachelor's? Are you mature for your age? Not many 24/25 year olds have the maturity to be a senior
    May 145
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      I have Masters. I am mature, people tell me “I look like 28 but am 50 mentally” as I am boring as F
      May 14
    • Google fneucnc
      Are you 28? Then I guess L5 is very possible. Anyways congrats!!
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Yes, 28. Thanks man.

      How are the Google cloud teams in Seattle in terms of WLB ?
      May 14
    • Google fneucnc
      I have no idea, WLB differs team by team, but in general the culture denounces heavy workloads. Coming from startup doing 60h a week I was shocked that email/chat goes completely silent after 6pm and on the weekends. I got used to it though.
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      That sounds so sweet. I am tired of shitty wlb at FB
      May 14
  • Microsoft
    myan

    Microsoft

    BIO
    Sup, brah?
    myanmore
    These offers are crazy good for Seattle! Congrats! Take Google - probably will be the best for WLB.
    May 141
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Thanks for the tip
      May 14
  • Airbnb urT5ns
    Take the Uber offer if the number of shares is based on stock price at the time you join. With the current stock price, their upside is much more than downside. Otherwise, take Google
    May 140
  • OpenText TSLAstock🤣
    Did the recruiters say anything about refreshers? I heard it’s minimal to non-existent at Uber.
    May 142
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Recruiters are pretty vague about refreshers. Uber guys might know it better
      May 14
    • Uber fuen
      Should be written in offer letter.
      Pre-IPO it was dollar amount. For 5a I believe a typical refresh amount was 105k over 4 years.
      May 15
  • New pbYo77
    Wow those are some amazing offers. Congratulations. Considering Uber's current stock price, would they be able to up the RSUs?
    May 142
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Uber said base and stocks are non-negotiable.

      I got the RSU in terms of $ value not unit count , so current stock price won’t matter until I join
      May 14
    • New pbYo77
      Makes sense
      May 14
  • Facebook gd5wv9
    Are you ML specialist?
    May 141
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      No system generalist
      May 14
  • Amazon day1
    OP is a liar.
    May 150
  • Twitter vhYL64
    comp/TC not much difference between them and you cannot be sure which equity does well in longer run, do consider work/learning, commute and team you work too.
    May 140
  • Broadcom Ltd. TmHR54
    Holy moly guacamole
    May 140
  • Microsoft HudiBaba!
    Holy shit dude. With 3.5Yoe, these are not only great offers but also great levels. I am coming up at 3Yoe now and it's inspiring.
    May 140
  • Facebook OlUncle
    I wouldn't go to G. If you look at the recent earnings, they are going to have to keep a lid on comp. If they don't, your RSUs are dead money. Which means smaller raises and less approvals for promo. If you go there you won't have any serious advancement career wise for a long stretch. WLB will be awesome, and you could use the time to learn, good colleagues for that purpose. But WLB at Uber isn't shit like it used to and there should be some uplift on equity. Good luck!
    May 146
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Thanks for the tip. However, I am a bit tired of bad wlb at FB. I think joining G will allow me to relax for a few years.

      Plus Google brand will help further in the next job. So if I don’t like it there I can just switch after a couple of years.

      With Uber there are some risks, good wlb isn’t guaranteed.

      That’s my thought so far
      May 14
    • American Express bugger!
      I think you already know the answer. Uber is out. Between Google and twitter benefits, stock, wlb, brand name all weigh towards Google.
      May 14
    • Facebook OlUncle
      Google brand isn't what it once was, it's also synonymous with pedantic low productivity engineers. You've already got FB, I wouldn't worry about that part. Anyway, I'm an Xoogler as well. Not saying it's a bad choice, but don't do it for the brand. Do it for the access to senior ICs that you can learn from with a good WLB.
      May 15
    • Airbnb urT5ns
      I'm a former Uber employee. PIP is pretty much gone under the new leadership (well, some people says PIP still exists technically, but you have to work very hard to get there, AND you must not in a minority group). Lots of rest-and-vester at Uber. And that's why I quit
      May 15
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Sounds like superb work WLB.

      How are the raises and promotions ?
      May 15
    • Airbnb urT5ns
      Uber's promotion process is largely borrowed from Google - manager nomination + committee review
      May 15
  • Twitter vhYL64
    What about bonus?
    May 143
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      What bonus ? I mentioned the sign on bonus already. If you are talking about annual bonus, that’s as per company policy.
      May 14
    • OpenText TSLAstock🤣
      If your offers are real, they would indicate the target annual bonus...
      May 14
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Lol, they are real. What I meant was that part doesn’t vary within the company. To let go of your doubts, here are the percentages:

      Google, Uber - 15%, Twitter-20%
      May 14
  • Citrix Systems / Engpeda
    Accept my knees !!
    May 142
    • New pbYo77
      I have seen this on LeetCode a couple times. What does it mean?
      May 15
    • Citrix Systems / Engpeda
      It means I am saluting him for his or hei am saluting op for offers
      May 15
  • Shutterstock kudabobb
    Is L5 for 3.5 yoe even possible
    May 142
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Possible for me. Telling the recruiter “L5 or gtfo” did the trick. FB brand might have helped as well
      May 14
    • Shutterstock kudabobb
      Not possible for me, I salute you
      May 14
  • New / Enggoing2g
    OP congrats! All these offers are amazing! (Assuming you aren't trolling).

    Not too sure which you should pick, but you should definitely share your priorities. Google would be best for stability and WLB, Twitter and Uber for opportunities to make an impact and get promoted faster, but their future isn't as certain. At least, that's the impression I have.
    May 141
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Thanks for the tip.
      Yeah WLB is my priority, tired of the stress at FB. So Google might be better in that sense
      May 14
  • Edmunds.com maneef
    Amazing! What is your role/focus at FB right now?
    May 141
    • Facebook blinder$
      OP
      Infrastructure, distributed systems
      May 14
  • @day1 still stuck at day 1, are we?
    7d0
  • Salesforce / Eng
    123kona321

    SalesforceEng

    PRE
    BAE Systems
    123kona321more
    Damn nice job!
    May 150
  • Can you elaborate on wlb at fb?
    May 150
  • Beckon / EngdBqe01
    Can you please share your background?
    How long have you been working at FB and what do you do there? You are a rockstar.
    May 150
  • Cisco wTBe82
    Congrats!!
    Can you please share your preparation strategy? I have a Google phone interview scheduled later this month.
    May 140
  • Credit Karma Oaxg376
    Un fucking believable. Salute to you, Op.
    May 140
  • Microsoft no-sql
    Congrats!!
    May 140

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