Why US companies are hiring top grads from foreign land and paying them high salaries

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Squirrelz

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Oct 11, 2017 83 Comments

Is there any strategy behind this?? Are they enslaving them by money where few people make boat load of money and giving peanuts to the rest just enough so that he/she thinks they have made it. Think before you reply coz money is cheap. All you gotta do is buy more printers and issue a jumbo loans to them so they can buy a property. You loose your friends family your kids your future generation your neighbors your relatives everything at the end. Welcome to the good life! Catch 22

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  • Apple Dporj81
    Cuz the managers making the hiring decisions are from said countries. Nepotism at its finest. Cool right?
    Oct 11, 2017 27
    • BMO Bvnq30
      Lol that same Oklahoma state guy with the 2.0 probably built a mobile/web app that had thousands of users which is why he put off school to focus on building a scalable product. Meanwhile the MIT guy knows the theory behind a binary search tree but doesn’t know how to code for shit
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Apple ktktktkt
      I am just going to say that good engineers don't end up at BMO... whatever that is. Maybe you should re-assess your priorities.
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Apple Dporj81
      Didnt complain about ive specifically. Im saying that all the immigrants are pretty much from the same two countries who have this nepotism problem. If they hire immigrants from africa, europe, asia etc fine, not from only two specific countries from specific cities/states in those countries, and then proceed to speak half in english and have in their native language during business hours in company meetings/outings/etc.
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Apple Dporj81
      It wasnt like that back in the 80s or 90s and just cuz they produce engineers doesnt make them good. If they were good they would have developed their own countries. If china opened their markets and played fair their tech scene would collapse to foreign competition from other asian countries as well as american and european companies. I think you ignore these facts probably cuz you are benefitted by this policy. How can it be ok to hire ppl considering their country of origin, culture and race instead of qualification and verbally admit and joke about it? You clearly have a vested interest in this game like the rest.
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Apple Dporj81
      To the point you made about quantities - agree that most of them come for a 1-2 yr masters in the USA and that is the fault of the universities trying to make a quick buck cuz the new middle class there will pay for these degrees and you get a lot of these guys flowing in. My main point is in the hiring, blatantly ignoring most qualifications and going off country, race, background etc. i'll also note ive had even indians complain about this that they get screwed cuz they happen to be a cultural minority, etc within their own country. There are other threads on blind raging much more furiously about this topic than me across tech companies and not only from those two countries so i know im not alone.
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Apple Dporj81
      If thats the case, we agree. My problem is that ive seen blatant abuse and there appears to be nothing putting in check. If they are qualified and earned it, worked hard like you seem to have, by all means let them come.
      Oct 12, 2017
    • VMware JHobbiton
      I'm an Indian. I've always seen this as a problem even in the Indian tech scene. I worked in India for quite some years before coming to USA for studying. When I was working in Bangalore I could clearly see the nepotistic tendencies of people from states like Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu (two states in India) which would result in fewer jobs for people from Bangalore because people from Bangalore at first were reluctant to make such biased decisions and groupism. But now from what I hear, there is a small but growing counter reaction of nepotism from Bangaloreans as well. I guess they've carried their attitudes here. I really wish Bay area stays meritocratic. But in general American companies have better processes and checks and balances to keep things meritocratic.
      Oct 16, 2017
  • AMD
    7263nao

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    7263naomore
    Why not? There are not enough engineering talent in the US.
    Oct 11, 2017 4
    • Apple Dporj81
      That is bs.
      Oct 11, 2017
    • Microsoft Ifuhappy
      I agree and think that American talent should be required to fulfill first. Similar to tops school. Why am I competing on a world stage the people coming didn't have to.
      Oct 11, 2017
    • Autodesk AWFK75
      Because, the company you are working is MNC. That's why they want best in the world. Make a choice, compete with the world and beat them all, or stay mediocre. After all, Microsoft isn't shy competing with the world, why are you?
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Microsoft Ifuhappy
      Sorry, but I do compete with the whole world and have. I think top talent should come her but I do not think that is the case in purity. My Indian friends made a lot less on hire when they needed a free card. I also believe it is a way for companies to get cheap dev resources. Your agreement would make sense in purity.
      Oct 12, 2017
  • Autodesk AWFK75
    Hiring a foreign worker is more expensive, tedious and time consuming. So they are hired only for their talent. Otherwise no reason to hire them, and they don't come cheap. I am one of the foreign workers and I earn more than all of my colleagues in the team (they are Americans). And they also know it. Point being, talent is all that matters. The day they find someone better at the job than me, foreigner or American, they will hire that person and dump me.
    Oct 12, 2017 24
    • Oracle hgxsr
      I'm sorry for your friend. The queue sucks, but it has nothing to do with job changing. So employer can't use us like slave. I'm free to jump for better position.
      Oct 15, 2017
    • New iuzS21
      I never said you can't change jobs. The friction that the paperwork puts makes people change jobs less. As I said, if you read the article you would have read through the link to lawyer sites who openly claim that immigrants change jobs less. What you don't have access to is dashboard that HR do have that has always shown that people on visa change jobs less. Feel free to disagree 🙂.

      In 2015 ombudsman call, USCIS was asked (note this is USCIS not companies) why they didn't provide people with approved i140 EAD cards. The answer by the ombudsman was that if they did that "people will change jobs" and that isn't good for businesses. Go look it up, the video is online.

      This friction is good enough for most people on the line to depress wages for the rest. That h1 teammate who didn't forcefully ask for a raise when he deserved is reducing your pay, because companies are willing to hire them over others, because they will ask for less raises.

      I don't think companies are to blame here. They are answerable to shareholders and they do what they always do - put lobby money to work and make laws favorable to them.

      Still disgaree? As I said you are free to disagree. 🙂
      Oct 15, 2017
    • eBay :) :p
      @iuzS21 - you r absolutely right
      Oct 15, 2017
    • AMD vega
      @iuzS21 +1
      Oct 15, 2017
    • Oracle hgxsr
      That's sad and mist. Since h1b people isn't chained on one job legally. We should encourage them to change job and get better wage instead of complaining.
      Oct 15, 2017
    • Oracle hgxsr
      We shouldn't live in the fear.
      Oct 15, 2017
    • eBay :) :p
      @oracle - I don’t know your situation but once someone has invested in a house, family grows, their kids r in school, it’s tough to change jobs. The visa thing makes it tougher
      Oct 15, 2017
    • New iuzS21
      @hgxsr: one misstep and your family will be kicked out of the country . My friend had his status change to F1 . But the USCIS folks took 4 months (ie after the semester started) to change his status. That was too long , he missed semester so he changed back to h1 . After he changed back USCIS changed his status to F1 based on the old petition. He was immediately out of status (as he had already postponed his semester at college). He was planning to do his masters at a top 3 college in the world - think Stanford, harvard, uiuc types. He went out of country and applied for h1 via stamping and he came back. The pain it made he and his wife was excrutiating. Lucky he didn't have kid, because then the kid whose visa is dependent on him would have been immediately out of status.

      You likely haven't settled down with kids going to school or that you do but don't realize the pain around redtapes.

      It is hard to encourage people telling them to be fearless when the truth is otherwise.

      Besides companies ganged up and depressed wages when it was illegal to do so(remember the lawsuit?). Do you think they will not take anything if done legally? H1 is a sugar candy that no companies can refuse.

      If the GC line wasn't clogged, people will move jobs and this will help everyone, those coming after you and citizens here too! Remember, after you get your GC you still will be affected by this problem, even if you like it or not.

      Infact EAD for i140 was fantastic idea that would have made it hard for companies to abuse h1 for wage suppression. That didn't pass USCIS regulation writing because US Chamber of Commerce had their best and brightest lobbyist take up the job at USCIS to write that regulation. That person, watered down the original regulation to mean extraordinary circumstance and that meant only handful of people will make use of it every year. There must be a real reason to do this. Another video leaked showed how the consultant company CEOs were furious about i140 EAD that they pledged a million in lobby money to ensure the regulation was watered down. Sure enough, the regulation was indeed watered down.

      There must be some argument to what I am saying. What do you think ?
      Oct 15, 2017
    • Oracle hgxsr
      I have family and kids settled down here. Changing job isn't hard at all, it just took a couple more months than GC holder. My compensation got doubled. I believe it's more than most of my peers who doesn't need visa. My previous employer offered me a big retention offer but I declined. I believe both my employers treated me fairly. Actually they have to spend more on me for legal process. You made a couple of examples but not typical. Most of H1b holders especially in tech area should feel free to change job. The worst case is not getting approved on the transfer. Then find another employer while keeping your current job. You can't stay without a job. You can't afford being fired. Who can? Just make yourself the best in your position. And well prepared for job interview. There are some h1b holders who aren't able to secure job nor pass interview for good companies, I'm sorry you live in fear. It's not too late to learn and work harder.
      Oct 15, 2017
    • New iuzS21
      You still cant see the bigger picture. You are telling me how it should be and I am telling you what it is today. Your personal example isn't everyone - Just as you dismissed the examples I gave as not normal. I can only tell you one thing. Good luck living in your bubble 😀

      I wish you read what was above and actually have real arguments to what I said above. For example, if you told me USCIS actually thinks people can change jobs today too - so why (or why not) give EAD instead, I would be all ears to hear.

      If you tell me as to why both Norm Matloff, the professor who wrote that article is wrong, I will be happy to hear. If you tell me these are the 5 reasons why I am wrong and here are the public stats to back that up, I am still hearing.

      Remember, USCIS has access to correct stats and you and me have no clue what is going on and you are basing on your anecdotes instead of using data to refute or defend what they say.

      I can refute each of your argument. However, I think fundamentally you don't seem to be getting one thing - I never said you can never change jobs. That is deserved for countries like KSA.

      There are structural issues in the system that make it harder to change jobs and these are by design (lobbying). These hurt both the people on the line and citizens as well.
      Oct 15, 2017
  • Airbnb dKUr03
    I’m from a top school (think MIT Harvard) and from what I’ve seen the quality of American students is lacking. International students that make it to the US are (on average) smarter and more hard working.

    It not surprising to me that companies would want to hire top international talent in the US. Would you rather them go back to their home countries and contribute there or stay here and build our economy? And why does it matter if they’re international? They are paying taxes here and building up the US.
    Oct 12, 2017 0
  • Uber GMie27
    US pays 1.2x the salary than my home country, while the workload is only 0.6x. Have you ever heard 996 culture ? Meaning working from 9am to 9pm 6days a week. I have more time for friends family kids relatives if I work in US.
    Oct 12, 2017 4
    • Amazon / Eng xECA22
      Sounds like you are a Chinese used to work for BAT :)
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Amazon wtLF10
      Wait just 1.2x? Even Western Europe it’s like 1.5 or more!
      Oct 12, 2017
    • Uber GMie27
      But you work 36 hours a week in Europe.
      Oct 12, 2017
  • eBay :) :p
    Enslaving them with visa and green card rules
    Oct 11, 2017 0
  • Amazon day3
    There's two parts to this. why are they hiring foreign workers? mainly because visas or green card sponsorship means that employee will find it difficult to leave. if you're on an L1 visa you can't leave the company, if you're on an H1b you can but it involves paperwork and lawyers, and if you're in the green card process it's best to hang around until you get the card and not risk going to the back of the line.

    as for salary, often they aren't on high salaries because they can't leave their job to find anything better because of the visa situation.
    Oct 13, 2017 4
    • Snapchat / Eng
      ex-softie

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      ex-softiemore
      This, here, is a myth. If you are in top tier companies, they pay same and actually end up spending more time and effort to hire people on visas. It’s cheaper for them to hire citizens/GC holders.
      Oct 14, 2017
    • New iuzS21
      Oct 14, 2017
    • Snapchat / Eng
      ex-softie

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      ex-softiemore
      Most of these articles generalize tech as a whole. There are companies that use visas as a cheaper source for hiring, but there are also those who want to hire the best talent no matter their visa/citizenship status. I’m speaking from 10+ years of personal experience.
      Oct 14, 2017
    • New iuzS21
      Would Google qualify in that category - because that article quoted Google.
      Oct 14, 2017
  • Amazon skowwwwwww
    Think about it, if foreign students were dumber, why the fuck would the companies bring them here. Dont tell me its cheap labor, bcuz lots of top talents here won the international olymliad and all.
    Oct 12, 2017 1
    • Airbnb dKUr03
      Agreed
      Oct 12, 2017
  • LinkedIn / Other
    pabloesc

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    Simple answer : cos they are talented and US wants talent and is willing to pay a high price to attract that talent. I'd say it's a win win situation.
    Oct 13, 2017 0
  • Amazon Wayne
    It’s called globalization. You somehow want to be able to sell stuff anywhere in the world and make money. But when it comes to talent, you don’t want foreign talent. If people are incompetent they’d be fired. How would race matter if the team is underperforming or missing goals? They get kicked out. Being an American I am comfortable with getting the best talent out there. Some scum is unavoidable.
    Oct 12, 2017 1
    • Snapchat / Eng
      ex-softie

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      ex-softiemore
      This 👌🏾
      Oct 13, 2017
  • Apple / Eng
    ash836

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    ash836more
    My IIT boss only hire alumni. It’s nothing bad guys. IIT grads are smart and they works hard
    Oct 12, 2017 1
    • Snapchat / Eng
      ex-softie

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      ex-softiemore
      Fuck IIT lol
      Oct 13, 2017
  • Expedia airwolf
    I can see both sides. If we want and expect American companies to compete, survive, and be profitable on the world stage, then they need to be able to attract, hire, and retain top talent on the world stage. Shackling them to only hiring talent within our borders is an arbitrary constraint. I also however believe we as a country owe it to our citizen workforce to try to maintain low unemployment rates, and make sure our workforce utilization is maximized. Perhaps the ideal solution is that H1B quota is a sliding scale correlated with unemployment rate (maybe by sector). In times of prosperity, there's no reason why we shouldn't be looking at top talent globally.
    Ultimately this would be capitalism at its finest. If talent from other countries surpasses talent domestically, it in turn should drive schools and talent here to become better in order to compete, thus raising the bar for everyone.
    Racing improves the breed, as they say.
    Oct 13, 2017 1
    • New iuzS21
      You are missing the 2nd quota. Green card quota needs to be same scale. Otherwise you will have half a million people on line waiting for their green cards without knowing they will never get one before they die (that's today if you didn't realize what I am saying)

      These people will depress wages for everyone, since they change jobs less often. I am one of those depressors. I am not a h1 consultant. I work for a fang company.
      Oct 14, 2017
  • eBay :) :p
    @day3 this is very true
    Oct 14, 2017 0
  • Snapchat / Eng
    ex-softie

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    ex-softiemore
    Lol at The ignorance on this thread 😂
    Oct 13, 2017 0
  • Amazon / Eng nomadic
    get em cheap, get em smart
    Oct 12, 2017 0
  • Intel gpdshdcrd
    There is plenty of talent in US just do not like the flavor of the talent I guess or the price. The notion we are Enslaving by giving people a live able wage. That is an interesting philosophical discussion. May want to read the " Servile State", that is the idea that you relinquish freedom for security.
    Oct 11, 2017 0

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