Compensation

Why are UX designers overpaid?

Google / Engakline
Dec 5

Serious question. I don't get how they're paid close or at the same level as a SWE or PM.

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  • Oracle / ProductXoomer
    Really good UX design might look really easy, but the more simple and intuitive something is, it was probably really hard getting it there. Try designing something basic without looking at an existing pattern. A payment flow, editing a payment method, password recovery, etc. This shit looks simple but it gets fucked up all the time because someone assumed it was easy.

    And great UX shares a lot with great PM. Truly valuable UX designers think like PM’s.
    Dec 52
    • Microsoft Mr 🌏
      The problem is that we don't have really good UX designers... therefore the question
      Dec 5
    • Oracle / ProductXoomer
      True. I’ve known many exceptional ones, but far more useless ones.
      Dec 5
  • Google GoldenGod
    ENG + PM + UX are a triumvirate... like the Deathly Hallows (ENG is “Invisibility Cloak” rarely seen in the wild, PM is “Sorcerers Stone” always bringing shit back back to life, and UX is “Elder Wand” fighting for the best design).

    If you believe this, it makes sense the three are paid relatively equally.
    Dec 52
  • Facebook / Design
    Ask a designer at G, I'm sure they can educate you

    Also no customer will ever evaluate you on your back end or algo, they will evaluate you on your UX.
    7d0
  • Apple Big Head
    This comment coming from the company with some of the worst UX in its products 🤔
    Dec 54
    • Oracle / ProductXoomer
      You’ve gotta be referring to my comment right? Because Google has mostly fantastic UX. And Yes, Oracle’s UX sucks and their new fleet of visual designers won’t fix it.
      Dec 5
    • Google GoldenGod
      Some Google products have horrible UX as well. I’ve noticed lately we are creating work arounds to significant UX issues because the infrastructure is too old. Trying to fix the issues are costly in time and ENG resources, so the same problems exist but with sub optimal solutions. In these cases, UX usually gets blamed but ENG and PM are equally, if not more so responsible.
      7d
    • Oath / Engfat
      It happens when product is not engineering driven. When the argument “product X has this feature, it must be easy to do and you can do it too” is way too common

      I always believed there should be a smaller feedback cycle between UX and engineering but also gives engineering the absolute ability to veto UX decisions.
      7d
    • Oracle / ProductXoomer
      If designers aren’t sitting next to or near PM and ENG, then they’re not doing their jobs right. Old infrastructure and the gnarly workarounds is a reality for any big company. It’s a design challenge to make that a more seamless experience for the end user. Not easy. Also not impossible.
      7d
  • Uber truckyeah
    Wait you can't understand why ux designers are paid like SWEs but you understand why PMs are???
    Dec 50
  • Grab Welland
    First of all, UX designers =! Graphic designers. If you think this way then hell yeah, they’re overpaid.

    I think it depends on personal experience. I feel this way about PMs. Most of them don’t even know how to apply agile to their teams... and i don’t get how they get the same / higher salary as UX Designers.
    Dec 50
  • Oracle / DesignMiddleWest
    I actually agree with OP, at least in some instances. I listened to a design SVP talk about comparing paint chips yesterday, meanwhile 33% of our customers can’t figure out how to launch important services. There are lots of dumbfuck designers who think cool shit rules the roost and that all should genuflect before it. Plenty of them regard engineers as interchangeable code-writing resources. Obnoxious.

    That said.

    You know how annoying it is when a designer makes decisions without respect for how a system actually works, waves their hands while saying “machine learning” and asking that you “just” make a button do something functionally absurd? Well, that’s what designers think when you start building something with enormous power and implications for a user without thinking about how that user will actually interact with the damn thing, and how it might affect them.

    “Buttons have implications.” Designers should know the technical demands and constraints of their proposed input mechanisms and flows, and developers should think about their consequences for the person clicking them.
    7d0
  • I think the frustration comes from the fact that software without design is ugly and unpleasant, but at least it does something. Meanwhile design without software is just a useless picture. It makes sense that engineers think their part of the equation is fundamentally more important and expect to be paid more as a result.
    7d0
  • Cruise Automation mocca
    Supply and demand. There's almost never anything special about how rates come about unless there's a scheme in place.
    Dec 50

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