Tech IndustryFeb 3, 2018
MicrosoftAvou47

Why are so many people cribbing about Microsoft?

Have worked across variety of industries. Cant find more enticing place than Microsoft. I will say benefits and pay are among worlds top 10-20 firms. We should be thankful and proud of working here. Have seen so much focus on acquiring skills, learning etc. Been here for 1.5 years and find it amazing! Ok, I have not worked with the Google, FB etc. Still bit disappointing to see negative tone about MS. Hope we see positives.

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Google Appie Feb 3, 2018

It's all relative. In a pool of highly ambitious people who move across the world and leave their families behind for career, top 10-20 is just not good enough

Microsoft Avou47 OP Feb 3, 2018

Other side of argument is, life is such a random thing. I am a non immigrant. We could have been born in the warn torn country or poorest country with no opportunity to do better in life. We got the opportunity and here are we. I dont want to say, we should not be ambitious. Its natural but there are millions millions of people looking to be where we are right now.

Facebook sum41pwd Feb 3, 2018

That attitude will take you far young man, donā€™t lose it.

Amazon Qlch60 Feb 3, 2018

I guess it's mostly the older parts of Microsoft that are hated on. But there are few companies that have stood the test of time.

Microsoft Avou47 OP Feb 3, 2018

Agree with you completely. Have seen people resisting change. However, Satya has set the tone and we are making stride towards new change. With Microsoft scale, its a gigantic task.

Amazon Qlch60 Feb 3, 2018

Change at Microsoft's scale is going to be really difficult.

Facebook Msftgtt Feb 3, 2018

I personally really enjoyed msft. Thought the work was more interesting than at fb, where you're a code monkey.

Microsoft userg7 Feb 3, 2018

How is the work at Facebook? Compared to say Azure teams at Microsoft?

Microsoft OCAmIEvil Feb 3, 2018

Truly? Canā€™t you choose what you work on? Doesnā€™t it behoove you to choose something that doesnā€™t make you feel like a code monkey?

Microsoft richardhea Feb 3, 2018

Itā€™s all about perspective. Microsoft used to be a lot better 20 years ago. People, benefits, compensation, even the products were more respected. So itā€™s not so much that it is a bad place now but the excellence has been diluted with a lot of mediocrity. šŸ†

Airbnb Guar Feb 3, 2018

This is it. And the 2x comp difference. 10yrs ago it was the best place to work, itā€™s been on a slow decline since. I spent many great years there but Iā€™m happy to have moved on.

Microsoft Iamgeek Feb 3, 2018

blind is not the place to find positivity ! šŸ˜

Amazon Qlch60 Feb 3, 2018

This is true. Literally every company is hated on blind. Amazon: desk crying sweatshop Facebook: useless social media Google: lul old search engine Airbnb: just a website Uber: taxi and women molesting company Lyft: Uber Copy

Microsoft yMcg47 Feb 3, 2018

Surprisingly people like netflix even though itā€™s just streaming

Airbnb Guar Feb 3, 2018

Itā€™s much much slower than it used to be, and isnā€™t as relevant nowadays. As far as a place to work, itā€™s good if you can handle the beaurocracy. But chances are good you can make 2x comp elsewhere, which is really why so many are leaving.

Microsoft ShortBTC Feb 3, 2018

Well it makes 30billion a quarter. How is that not being relevant? You sf guys with your Mac book pros live in a bubble.

Amazon Qlch60 Feb 3, 2018

Microsoft maybe be pulling in 30 billion a quarter but is it "disrupting" and hardly making any profit? </sarcasm>

Microsoft document Feb 3, 2018

Because thats how human nature is. 'Good' is relative to your current life. You have a porche? Exciting for 6 months, then youll want a Ferrari. 150k tc? Youll want 250 elsewhere, and then 350... once you realize we evolved to run a rat race, you can ascend past it, and focus on things that matter long term (friends, health, stability)

LinkedIn Gugle Feb 3, 2018

+1 perfectly reflects my life

Microsoft fitrajaa Feb 4, 2018

+100 this is why i said fuckit to my current job and am moving to a neq team in 2 weeks. Hoping for a better WLB lets see. The prev job was made of some assholes who really made me HATE going into work every day.

Microsoft hastalala Feb 3, 2018

It's how humanity works. People always compare themselves with their immediate surrounding. I read a study a few years ago about new Harvard students. The first week they are the happiest because they've been accepted into the most prestigious university in the world. But after the honeymoon phase, it becomes their routine and they compare themselves with the other Harvard students, who are very skilled and competitive. Even though they are in the "best" university, they're not more happy than a community college student who compares himself with other community college students. I guess Microsoft is like that. They're still considered a top company because their compensation is pretty high in the tech industry (they pay more than Amazon for new talent, for example, and way more than IBM or other companies of similar age), but it's smaller than Google, Facebook and unicorns. People don't compare it with 99% of the tech companies, they compare with the top 1% (random numbers BTW), even though it's a better company than all the shitty companies out there.

Capital One Dude13 Feb 3, 2018

Iā€™ve consulted at Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. What do you Microsoft naysayers think Google/Facebook have on msft in terms of innovation? Google cloud is garbage, google ML is way behind msft, what real world products is Facebook producing now that disrupt anything? In my experience, Microsoft is crushing most other tech firms in innovation. They did go through a lull but have come back quite nicely. Netflix? What are they producing in terms of innovation? Same question for Airbnb?

Microsoft hastalala Feb 3, 2018

I'm not a naysayer, but the argument is usually that Microsoft is too slow and lagging behind other companies in almost every field because it's so big. Also, the name of the game nowadays is more "scale" than "innovation". Google, Facebook, Netflix are supporting so many users, but I don't know if Azure would be as reliable and performant as them if they had that many users. As for AirBnB and Uber or other unicorns, their prestige comes from their funding and the high entry barrier that they have, even if the products themselves are not really groundbreaking. Nonetheless, they can be picky about their engineers and therefore make sure that their products can follow good practices and follow some quality standards.

Capital One Dude13 Feb 3, 2018

I donā€™t find the Airbnb and Uber developers any better than the ones I run into anywhere, even capital one. 90% of all SWE are really just code monkeys doing grunt work. There are very few actual engineers out there. Azure is the #2 cloud provider, so your comment about scale doesnā€™t really make sense. Facebook is quickly falling behind in scaling tech. They think their 300PB data Lake canā€™t be backed up because itā€™s ā€œtooā€ much data. That is hilarious as I know multiple companies managing more data and itā€™s synced in near real time across aws regions. Many of these companies started out with top notch architects but as they grew, their quality has been seriously degraded through talent dilution. There really are only so many actual engineers, the rest are either too inexperienced to be effective at architecture or they just donā€™t have the talent.

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Millions Feb 4, 2018

Being happy is a habit. Most people will just crib out anything and everything. Numbers speak for themselves. All these tech firms (Google, FB, MS etc) are up there and not going anywhere.