Why are software engineers so uncreative, non-visionary?

Salesforce / Eng Forcesales
May 14 23 Comments

We are able to build literally any digital product we can imagine from our laptops and deploy it to the world, yet the vast majority of us choose to join a company that pours its engineering talent into making dog filters on teenage girls, or that adds emoji reactions to posts.

It seems that tremendous amounts of energy are poured into created these laughably narrow, stupid products or features. I look at someone like Steve Wozniak who seems to have once been an engineering genius and wonder why the f*ck has he not done anything good since apple?

I include myself in this rant

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  • Adobe / Eng kkugfdwed
    Why are most people in most fields so uncreative, non-visionary? E.g. why is the average person so damn average? Fixed the title for you.
    May 14 2
    • Salesforce / Eng Forcesales
      OP
      No, there are few other fields where so much can be done at such low cost, and where the "cogs" in the machine wield so much power and freedom.
      May 14
    • Adobe besi
      E.g.?
      May 14
  • Salesforce linusklava
    Have you seen the sex change filter on Snapchat? Tell me that feature isn’t amazing. We often trivialize features which do silly things but i think people just have different opinions about what is impactful
    May 14 1
    • Microsoft
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      This.

      Even if it is just silly, it brings joy to millions of people.
      May 14
  • Google ckxkkand
    Capitalism - low risk high reward to work for an established company vs high risk, potentially very high reward / ruin in a startup.
    May 14 1
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    It’s just capitalism, not tech.

    Look at healthcare. Sure, you could research cures or treatments for horrible diseases and viruses... but we’ll only hire you to research analogues for penis and depression pills that already exist under different patents.
    May 14 3
    • Axtria DesiLaunda
      From this comment, I can guess you neither have worked in healthcare nor have many friends who do.
      May 14
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      No, but I can read. Do you have a counter-argument or do you just network with a lot of professionals?

      I’ve read that pharma companies, for example, do innovative R&D on a select few big things like Alzheimer’s but other than that, the business incentive is on new drugs for existing “markets”. Not to mention the spending outside of R&D which is mostly marketing to providers to compete with companies making similar drugs.

      Not very efficient from a abstract “health” standpoint, but sometimes efficient for making profits.
      May 14
    • Axtria DesiLaunda
      Ok my bad, you do seem to have some insight. But your statements above regarding analogues for penis and depression pills went too far.

      I have been in the healthcare industry for 10 years. Companies do spend a lot of money on marketing to providers and making drugs for existing markets, like you mentioned because that's how they stay in business. It's difficult to develop drugs for rare diseases, because they are umm rare, so there isn't much information and the number of patients taking that drug will be even smaller. Having said that, IF they are successful in developing drugs for rare diseases, it's an achievement. Healthcare companies do compete in innovation a lot.

      Also, with emergence of HEOR and RWE (you can Google those terms if you aren't familiar), the emphasis on patient health has been greater than ever before. So I would say it isn't too bad 😊
      May 14
  • Splunk stats dc
    Good question. Woz has done some cool stuff they were not successful businesses tho.

    As for why pointless shit, itd a job.

    Now, i have the same concern you do. That's why I leave the house after hours. I go talk to people who don't or can't so what we so. I found a group that needed a serious problem solved -- I mean a real problem for society-- and did the best I could.

    So, if you're frustrated with BS at work, Find gold after hours. 💖✌️
    May 14 0
  • Apple park 🍎
    There are still so many problems in the world that need solutions:
    1. True object DB
    2. Distributed transaction Mgt over REST
    3. Something better than SQL.
    4. A true high level Prog Lang that is also scalable.
    5. If you want to take it up by a notch then:
    A. A true personal robot
    B. Robotic weed wacker
    And many many more problems . Why don’t you start solving them ?
    May 14 0
  • No, we used to be able to do that, but software has gotten incredibly large and complex and we certainly can’t on our own anymore.

    The same phenomenon applies to Wozniak on the hardware side. He was a genius at designing a floppy disk controller at low cost with a small number of primitive parts, but nobody really cares about those skills anymore.

    Software is made by armies now, and what gets made is up to people who have the money to hire that army, not us.
    May 14 2
    • Salesforce / Eng Forcesales
      OP
      You're wrong about this. Part of the reason I asked myself this is because I saw how this guy, Pieter levels, built Nomadlist by himself and earns great income off of it while providing a useful service to thousands of people. Cool web app too. He created another web app by himself called remote ok that also makes him money. He runs his apps on cheap linode servers. Other indie makers do the same.
      May 14
    • Your claim wasn’t that a guy built a nice thing. It was that “we literally can build any digital product we can imagine.” No, in fact, we can’t. We can build a web site that isn’t too elaborate. I’ll give you that.
      May 14
  • Microsoft Gorillala
    Why does our society always fight with each other, can you imagine how much more we can accomplish if we stop killing each other and hoarding resources. If all nations would just work together to advance the benefit for everyone. Nope, that’s not how humans work. We are lucky to be where we are now.
    May 14 1
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      That’s how humans worked for millennia until agriculture. Prior to that there was no goods worth stealing or having to defend. Even after agriculture, hoarding was only by priests/chiefs and most cultures had tales and customs that created peer-pressure against hoarding.
      May 14
  • Microsoft pJcW86
    Because the customer is always right and they want useless uncreative nonvisionary shit that everyone else wants.
    May 14 0
  • Uber GhPw30
    Software engineering is nowadays a mainstream career choice, rather than the unconventional vocation it used to be.
    May 14 1
    • Salesforce / Eng Forcesales
      OP
      It can definitely still be both
      May 14
  • Snapchat bFCN68
    Money
    May 14 0
  • Microsoft
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    Because we always get side tracked and spend all our intellectual energy on solving useless problems https://youtu.be/mMeqEDEfniA
    May 14 0

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