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Why do Indian managers hire mostly Indian DEVs?

Microsoft Goval
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Indian managers really have a tendency to hire devs of the same ethic. This happens around many teams in Microsoft. But why? Indians trust Indians?

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  • Microsoft somraj
    Don't work in those teams
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    • Facebook / Eng
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      Actually, this unironically might be the reason. Have you considered that people sometimes actively try not to join teams that are more than 50% Indian or 50% Chinese?

      Sometimes it’s the racists who assume a team would be bad and not join it. These guys then like to play the victim and pretend as if it’s the manager’s fault.
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    • Applied Medical Resources xFda33
      When interviewing for Microsoft, it's not like you have a choice to choose your team. You're interviewing for a specific team. Are you suggesting to reject an offer if you come to find out it's an Indian-majority team or are you suggesting to request a different team to interview?
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    • Microsoft somraj
      I am taking about moving to different teams once you are in
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    • Applied Medical Resources xFda33
      I see. That's still a new interview process from what I've heard.
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  • Microsoft / Productanonymeee
    To feel and to keep their jobs safe. If any manager is not supporting diversity they should be fired
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      Diversity is wayyy overrated.
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    • Microsoft / Productanonymeee
      Ok Indian Dckslp :-(
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      Hahaha. Nope.
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  • New / Enghdgbee7
    They hire them to do the needful
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  • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
    Not true...I have an Indian manger who is a badass. More than half of our team that he's hired is Chinese, 1 white dude and me, half Indian.

    There are awesome people out there that break the stereotypes. Your job is to find them.
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    • Microsoft Goval
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      Such examples exist for sure. But it’s not common as far as I can see
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    • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
      Yeah...it's the same in all races man. Not just Indian.
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  • Microsoft Goval
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    Another example - they not only hire mostly Indians, but also order Indian food only when organizing team events.
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    • Juniper ㄴㅇㄴ
      And by Indian food, you also mean vegetarian.
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      True... they demand Chai tea in All-Hands in the BU now.
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      I'm not seeing a problem here...
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    Because people hire people who are similar to them...do you have any other moronic questions?
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    • Microsoft Goval
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      Capability should be the only criterion. Don’t agree?
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      No! You are either very immature or a fool.

      Besides being smart and capable, I want people who are nice, easy going, low drama, workaholics, enjoyable lunch companions, etc.

      If they all look the same, that's fine. If they are different, that's fine too... But people generally prefer to hire people like them. It doesn't always work out well, though... I had a lesbian boss who hired 4 of her lesbian friends... That was a horrible experience seeing a bunch of lesbians fighting with one another and in tears all the time.
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    • Apple fu manchu
      It’s true that technical skill only goes so far.

      The best team I ever worked for was one where we were all B+ players and had a great comradery and loved working and hanging out after work. We shipped some amazing stuff. Once the band broke up the magic was gone.

      Being a super nerd isn’t everything. Some of the brightest devs I knew were royal pain in the asses to work with and manage.
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  • In third world countries, hiring relatives or friends is common practice, it is in their DNA. When they come to America they forget to reset their memories and they come and do same shit here too
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  • Facebook / Eng
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    Nice loaded question. This is not true. Why do many white managers prefer to hire white workers?

    There’s many teams with Indian managers who don’t have a strong preference for Indians. The same is true for many other ethnicities. Stop generalizing. You sound like you just got rejected by a team or can’t get along with your team and are blaming it on race. Playing the victim 101.
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    • Illumina / Other
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      In an American company any time recently, I bet you can’t actually point to a white manager who has only ever hired white people on a multi-year basis
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    • Facebook / Eng
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      Nice anecdote. Now show me stats showing that that Indians generally hire only Indians.

      I’ll wait.
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      My manager only hire Indian contractors
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  • 3rd world nepotism tribal mentality....

    Indian told me once "I don't trust Indians"
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    • Illumina / Other
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      I actually reported for a while to an Indian who said “I will never report to an Indian or a Chinese manager”
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    • Oath
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      +1 it's like living with bed bugs.
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  • Airbnb Newair
    Russian managers mostly hire Russian people. Chinese managers mostly hire Chinese people. It only means you are more likely hiring people sharing background with you.
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    • Microsoft Goval
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      That sounds like bad practice in the hiring process though
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    • Oath
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      Worked with indian and chinese engineering managers. F*uck both always. No mercy! Both were horrible. So happy to work with anyone but these two kinds.
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  • Apple fu manchu
    My guess is cultural fit providing technical skill is equitable.
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    • Microsoft Goval
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      To some extent. When they organize team events, they also order Indian food only. What the...
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    • Apple fu manchu
      I’m half joking BTW. But racial nepotism is a thing. I don’t know if Indians seem to be the bigger perpetrators of it or if it s just because they’re just so many more Indians that they’re the most common case.
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    • Illumina / Other
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      Dude I’ve been to white people things where they only order Indian food, because Indian food is fucking awesome.
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    • Apple fu manchu
      It does get tiring though when it’s every time. Indian food is delicious and nice to have once in a blue moon, but it’s greasy azz shit.
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    • Microsoft Goval
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      I like Indian food too. But I ate Indian meals 12 times over the past year for all the events. Would that still be good?
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  • Illumina / Other
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    I’ve not found that all Indians display this tendency to select only their own countrymen. I’ve seen a couple of Indian managers (who were from the Kshatriya caste—is that the difference?) who had true multi-cultural teams.

    But I’ve also seen a larger handful of Indian leaders who definitely worked it out so that they only had Indians on their teams (those guys were Brahmins). I don’t know if that is a differentiating factor, though, because obviously sample size is small.
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    • Oracle / Engppol
      Why is your reply so caste-ist, Brahmins and Kshatriya .. I am guessing you are Indian to know the castes :)
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    • Illumina / Other
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      Americans seem to lump al Indians into one homogeneous group without realizing that Indians don’t see each other the same way at all.
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  • Oath
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    Trump: "it's chain migration!"
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  • Amazon SanchezDD
    Because they are racist
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  • Microsoft kadamai
    At Microsoft it is not about nepotism. There is a lot of Indians available in the market. It is more about where the employees want to join rather than manager's preference. I saw a lot of East Europeans hired once. In Microsoft there is Chinese vs Indian groups. But it is mostly organic and not due to nepotism. Internal moves people look to go to places with friends. This didn't happen due to external hiring.
    Most Indians at Microsoft prefer to NOT report to Indian or Chinese managers. This is due to perception about their work culture.
    But this is true for IC. Once they become Lead or Managers they tend to stick with their manager.
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  • PayPal / EngFrogInWell
    Not again that rotten racist discussion
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    • Microsoft / Mgmtholly shit
      Personal experiences, opinions, questions are not racist. Telling people to shut up is dictateurial and it create more hate which is very dangerous because when people don't talk or nobody listen to them, they get lost and they will more likely to harm themselves and other people. Let people talk and try to understand why they think that way. Personal experiences affect people's views and you cannot make a positive change by turning the TV off.
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  • Microsoft / Mgmtholly shit
    Indians and russians are fun to work with. They have sense of humor.
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      Are you trying to say American SJWs are humorless?
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  • Uber ghd45e
    My current manager is trying to make a non Indian guy join (as of now 3 Indians and 1 Chinese) but no one race guy would join assuming that the manager will prioritise Indian engineer which is not the case!
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  • Bose bosebose
    I don’t think this is true , it’s just that there’s a lot of Indian people in software
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  • Microsoft ramare
    Same with Chinese. My team in microsoft of 14 people had 11 Chinese.

    My current team at Google has a Chinese director and we have at least 55 out of 80 as Chinese. And they talk to each other in Mandarin and WeChat leaving others out of it.
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  • Oracle UkEy56
    The answer is “network”.
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  • Juniper ㄴㅇㄴ
    I had an Indian boss couple years ago and our team was an evenly mixed team of Indian, White, and Chinese dads. My boss is very Americanized-- could this be a factor? I'm leaning more to a 'yes'. But that is my take. I could be wrong.
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  • Uber v1per
    Network effect.
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  • American Express aomfcy
    People tend to like and trust who are like them. It's not always intentional. To do otherwise would require conscious effort. Some think it's worthwhile to have diversity of perspectives that come with diversity, others don't. As others have noted, it's easier to work with people who are like you. It may not have the best outcome, but that's the path of least resistance.
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  • Rubrik blindedog
    Negative feedback loop. When non-Indian candidates see that the team is all-Indian, they ain’t gonna be joining this team.

    Once you go black, there’s no going back.
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  • Oath
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    No one else will work with them.
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