Why do Indian managers hire mostly Indian DEVs?

Microsoft Goval
Jan 11 57 Comments

Indian managers really have a tendency to hire devs of the same ethic. This happens around many teams in Microsoft. But why? Indians trust Indians?

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  • Microsoft somraj
    Don't work in those teams
    Jan 11 4
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Actually, this unironically might be the reason. Have you considered that people sometimes actively try not to join teams that are more than 50% Indian or 50% Chinese?

      Sometimes it’s the racists who assume a team would be bad and not join it. These guys then like to play the victim and pretend as if it’s the manager’s fault.
      Jan 11
    • Applied Medical Resources xFda33
      When interviewing for Microsoft, it's not like you have a choice to choose your team. You're interviewing for a specific team. Are you suggesting to reject an offer if you come to find out it's an Indian-majority team or are you suggesting to request a different team to interview?
      Jan 12
    • Microsoft somraj
      I am taking about moving to different teams once you are in
      Jan 12
    • Applied Medical Resources xFda33
      I see. That's still a new interview process from what I've heard.
      Jan 12
  • Microsoft / Product anonymeee
    To feel and to keep their jobs safe. If any manager is not supporting diversity they should be fired
    Jan 11 3
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      Diversity is wayyy overrated.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft / Product anonymeee
      Ok Indian Dckslp :-(
      Jan 11
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      Hahaha. Nope.
      Jan 12
  • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
    Not true...I have an Indian manger who is a badass. More than half of our team that he's hired is Chinese, 1 white dude and me, half Indian.

    There are awesome people out there that break the stereotypes. Your job is to find them.
    Jan 11 2
    • Microsoft Goval
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      Such examples exist for sure. But it’s not common as far as I can see
      Jan 11
    • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
      Yeah...it's the same in all races man. Not just Indian.
      Jan 11
  • New / Eng hdgbee7
    They hire them to do the needful
    Jan 11 0
  • Microsoft Goval
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    Another example - they not only hire mostly Indians, but also order Indian food only when organizing team events.
    Jan 11 3
    • Juniper ㄴㅇㄴ
      And by Indian food, you also mean vegetarian.
      Jan 11
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      True... they demand Chai tea in All-Hands in the BU now.
      Jan 12
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      I'm not seeing a problem here...
      Jan 12
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    Because people hire people who are similar to them...do you have any other moronic questions?
    Jan 11 3
    • Microsoft Goval
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      Capability should be the only criterion. Don’t agree?
      Jan 11
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      No! You are either very immature or a fool.

      Besides being smart and capable, I want people who are nice, easy going, low drama, workaholics, enjoyable lunch companions, etc.

      If they all look the same, that's fine. If they are different, that's fine too... But people generally prefer to hire people like them. It doesn't always work out well, though... I had a lesbian boss who hired 4 of her lesbian friends... That was a horrible experience seeing a bunch of lesbians fighting with one another and in tears all the time.
      Jan 11
    • Apple fu manchu
      It’s true that technical skill only goes so far.

      The best team I ever worked for was one where we were all B+ players and had a great comradery and loved working and hanging out after work. We shipped some amazing stuff. Once the band broke up the magic was gone.

      Being a super nerd isn’t everything. Some of the brightest devs I knew were royal pain in the asses to work with and manage.
      Jan 11
  • Facebook / Eng
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    Nice loaded question. This is not true. Why do many white managers prefer to hire white workers?

    There’s many teams with Indian managers who don’t have a strong preference for Indians. The same is true for many other ethnicities. Stop generalizing. You sound like you just got rejected by a team or can’t get along with your team and are blaming it on race. Playing the victim 101.
    Jan 11 3
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      In an American company any time recently, I bet you can’t actually point to a white manager who has only ever hired white people on a multi-year basis
      Jan 11
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Nice anecdote. Now show me stats showing that that Indians generally hire only Indians.

      I’ll wait.
      Jan 11
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      My manager only hire Indian contractors
      Jan 12
  • Apple fu manchu
    My guess is cultural fit providing technical skill is equitable.
    Jan 11 5
    • Microsoft Goval
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      To some extent. When they organize team events, they also order Indian food only. What the...
      Jan 11
    • Apple fu manchu
      I’m half joking BTW. But racial nepotism is a thing. I don’t know if Indians seem to be the bigger perpetrators of it or if it s just because they’re just so many more Indians that they’re the most common case.
      Jan 11
    • Illumina / Other
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      Dude I’ve been to white people things where they only order Indian food, because Indian food is fucking awesome.
      Jan 11
    • Apple fu manchu
      It does get tiring though when it’s every time. Indian food is delicious and nice to have once in a blue moon, but it’s greasy azz shit.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Goval
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      I like Indian food too. But I ate Indian meals 12 times over the past year for all the events. Would that still be good?
      Jan 11
  • 3rd world nepotism tribal mentality....

    Indian told me once "I don't trust Indians"
    Jan 11 2
    • Illumina / Other
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      I actually reported for a while to an Indian who said “I will never report to an Indian or a Chinese manager”
      Jan 11
    • Oath
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      +1 it's like living with bed bugs.
      Jan 12
  • Airbnb Newair
    Russian managers mostly hire Russian people. Chinese managers mostly hire Chinese people. It only means you are more likely hiring people sharing background with you.
    Jan 11 2
    • Microsoft Goval
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      That sounds like bad practice in the hiring process though
      Jan 11
    • Oath
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      Worked with indian and chinese engineering managers. F*uck both always. No mercy! Both were horrible. So happy to work with anyone but these two kinds.
      Jan 12
  • In third world countries, hiring relatives or friends is common practice, it is in their DNA. When they come to America they forget to reset their memories and they come and do same shit here too
    Jan 11 0
  • Amazon SanchezDD
    Because they are racist
    Jan 11 0
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    I’ve not found that all Indians display this tendency to select only their own countrymen. I’ve seen a couple of Indian managers (who were from the Kshatriya caste—is that the difference?) who had true multi-cultural teams.

    But I’ve also seen a larger handful of Indian leaders who definitely worked it out so that they only had Indians on their teams (those guys were Brahmins). I don’t know if that is a differentiating factor, though, because obviously sample size is small.
    Jan 11 2
    • Oracle / Eng ppol
      Why is your reply so caste-ist, Brahmins and Kshatriya .. I am guessing you are Indian to know the castes :)
      Jan 11
    • Illumina / Other
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      Americans seem to lump al Indians into one homogeneous group without realizing that Indians don’t see each other the same way at all.
      Jan 11
  • PayPal / Eng FrogInWell
    Not again that rotten racist discussion
    Jan 11 1
    • Microsoft / Mgmt holly shit
      Personal experiences, opinions, questions are not racist. Telling people to shut up is dictateurial and it create more hate which is very dangerous because when people don't talk or nobody listen to them, they get lost and they will more likely to harm themselves and other people. Let people talk and try to understand why they think that way. Personal experiences affect people's views and you cannot make a positive change by turning the TV off.
      Jan 11
  • Oath
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    Trump: "it's chain migration!"
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  • Microsoft kadamai
    At Microsoft it is not about nepotism. There is a lot of Indians available in the market. It is more about where the employees want to join rather than manager's preference. I saw a lot of East Europeans hired once. In Microsoft there is Chinese vs Indian groups. But it is mostly organic and not due to nepotism. Internal moves people look to go to places with friends. This didn't happen due to external hiring.
    Most Indians at Microsoft prefer to NOT report to Indian or Chinese managers. This is due to perception about their work culture.
    But this is true for IC. Once they become Lead or Managers they tend to stick with their manager.
    Jan 11 0
  • Microsoft / Mgmt holly shit
    Indians and russians are fun to work with. They have sense of humor.
    Jan 11 1
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      Are you trying to say American SJWs are humorless?
      Jan 12
  • Uber ghd45e
    My current manager is trying to make a non Indian guy join (as of now 3 Indians and 1 Chinese) but no one race guy would join assuming that the manager will prioritise Indian engineer which is not the case!
    Jan 13 0
  • Bose bosebose
    I don’t think this is true , it’s just that there’s a lot of Indian people in software
    Jan 12 0
  • Microsoft ramare
    Same with Chinese. My team in microsoft of 14 people had 11 Chinese.

    My current team at Google has a Chinese director and we have at least 55 out of 80 as Chinese. And they talk to each other in Mandarin and WeChat leaving others out of it.
    Jan 12 0

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