Why do people call non-immigrants “immigrants”

Mar 14 50 Comments

Namely people on working visas, or any other nonimmigrant category visa. Is it still correct to call them “immigrants”?

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  • Amazon sBqS40
    Brown people are 'immigrants' , others are 'expats'.
    Mar 144
    • Microsoft . . .
      You mean nonwhites
      Mar 14
    • Amazon TRuc81
      Whites are “expats” everyone else is an immigrant 😂
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft trollExp
      Wrong! Only whites from Western Europe and north America(excluding Mexico) are expats. Whites from Middle East or Russia are immigrants, as well. Whites from traditional Western countries have inherent superiority in their blood and everything else should revolve around them.
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft . . .
      Surprised Russians aren't white yet. When did Irish/Scottish become white?
      Mar 14
  • Microsoft trollExp
    They are not immigrants. Majority of H1B holders from China want to go back. The right word to call them is expats.
    Mar 141
    • Facebook / Eng
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      Hahaha, good one.
      Mar 14
  • Amazon Izzypop
    1st, why are you so hung up on the definition? Why does it matter? An immigrant can be anyone that comes from a foreign place and is there for any length of time- how is anyone to know (least of all you) whether it is “permanent” or not? There are plenty of people that think they are going to a place temporarily and stay long term. We only know you were a temporary immigrant when you leave. Why do you want someone to make the distinction and say temporary resident? Are you just hung up on immigrant? Would you prefer foreigner?
    Mar 146
    • Like imagine there’s a product that claims to be for immigrants, but really it’s more suited for non-immigrants
      Mar 14
    • I have lots of friends who work temporarily overseas who intend to return to their home country after a few years, and they don’t consider themselves immigrants.
      Mar 14
    • Uber / R&Djidao
      But they are
      Mar 14
    • Amazon Izzypop
      Yep
      Mar 14
    • Uber / R&Djidao
      And I'm not planning on staying the US for ever, but I'm an immigrant right now, I don't see the problem with that
      Mar 14
    • Amazon Izzypop
      The intent “to return to their home country” doesn’t matter
      Mar 14
  • I just now read an article pointing out that that expat is almost exclusively used for white people and immigrants is used for people from “lower-class” countries. Seems racist. We should stop calling actual expats “immigrants” just because they happen to be brown-skinned.

    I am trying to advocate for using the real definitions of words.
    Mar 142
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      You already knew this when you made this thread.
      You just wanted somebody else to say it so you could claim rasicm.
      Mar 14
    • I suspected this when I made the post, but I didn’t know for sure. I just read an article where I read that but it’s making sense to me now. I’m honestly looking for the right word to use in an important context
      Mar 14
  • Lyft McGee
    Immigrant is still the correct word
    Mar 142
    • Even if the person has no intent to be a permanent resident? Can you link to a reputable definition that says that for me? I really want to see it to be sure.. I just haven’t been able to find it yet
      Mar 14
    • Because all the definitions I’ve read say an immigrant is “permanent”, and the alternative is “temporary resident”
      Mar 14
  • I have friends working overseas who intend to return after a few years, they aren’t immigrants, right?
    Mar 143
    • Like if I went to work in London for a few years, that wouldn’t make me an immigrant, right?
      Mar 14
    • Salesforce SSCU75
      No, Americans are never immigrants
      Mar 14
    • Like I do have intent to retire early and be an actual immigrant to another country, but that’s a different thing
      Mar 14
  • Indeed cyhy46
    Fun fact: depending on how big of a dick your customs agent is, on certain temporary nonimmigrant work visas, publicly referring to yourself as an "immigrant" is grounds for revoking your work authorizarion
    Mar 141
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      If you indicate on a TN visa you intend to immigrate it will be revoked. That’s the law, so it’s not just always the agent being a jerk.
      Mar 14
  • Oath OphK57
    Work visa is a non-immigrant visa with an immigrant intent. Hence immigrants... but immigrants are usually seen as working their way from the bottom, being proudly ethnic, eager to show their differences, etc.

    People on work visas don’t usually show these features. There are exceptions but usually not
    Mar 141
    • Microsoft unfanged
      Wrong. It has dual intent, which means it can have immigrant intent but not necessarily.
      Mar 14
  • Qualcomm / EngLazyPro
    Prefer immigrant to 'temporary alien' or some shit like that.
    Mar 141
    • American Express / Engwuali
      Expatriate is the right term.
      Mar 14
  • New / Eng_ <
    H1 is dual intent. Thay have 'immigration intent', but as folks mentioned they are not immigrants.
    Mar 143
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      I hear people say H1 is dual intent. It’s not clear why. Help me understand how H1 is dual intent?
      Mar 14
    • New / Eng_ <
      For example, B1/2 visa holders may be temporarily present in the US but have to have and demonstrate it at the consulate an intent to return home. H1 on the other hand, may be legally present and are allowed to file any immigration petitions they want or can. That's why h1 do not have to prove that they will return home and B1/2 filing immigration petitions while visiting is a huge red flag.
      Mar 14
    • New
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      Got it. Thanks!
      Mar 14
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    Immigrants are ONLY a) people with immigrant visas, or b) people who became US citizens after birth.

    Everyone else is a either a citizen from birth or a guest.
    Mar 140
  • Oracle now@google
    What does visa status have to do with it? Illegal immigrants don’t have visas and who knows what their intent is.
    If people are complaining that “immigrants” took their jobs, they can care less about their visas and green cards. They just refer to the foreigners who moved here.
    Mar 140
  • Lyft lyftyyyyy
    if illegals voted Republican after becoming a citizen, would democrats still want mass immigration?
    Mar 143
    • Microsoft trollExp
      Yes, because that's the right thing to do.
      Mar 14
    • New
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      ^^^^ 😂🤣😂🤣😃😀😂🤣😃😃
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft trollExp
      Don't laugh! Democrats' principal is to help those who are poor and vulnerable. Republicans, on the other hand, are to serve big corps and wealthy individuals.
      Mar 14
  • Lyft lyftyyyyy
    The correct term is illegal alien
    Mar 142
    • Microsoft trollExp
      Then the correct term for American is descent of illegal aliens.
      Mar 14
    • Lyft lyftyyyyy
      Nope, speak for yourself.
      Mar 14
  • Microsoft / EngLvl62
    How many of those “non-immigrants” you think don’t apply for a green card.
    Mar 142
    • I know plenty of people who went to country xyz to work temporarily but not immigrate. In the US I don’t know the numbers but probably more than you’d think?
      Mar 14
    • Amazon tjpb67
      Applying for a greencard is not the same thing as getting one. i140 doesn't change your temporary status and you can actually go back to your own country and wait for you priority date to come from there (your current work status and current location are irrelevant to the greencard application).
      Mar 14
  • Oracle now@google
    Average Americans have no clue about different visa types. Why would they? They just call foreigners who are not visitors immigrants...
    Mar 141
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      It doesn’t help that the Democrats are trying to secure voting rights for the guests. As if they could just work in the US and participate in - i mean interfere with - US elections.
      Mar 14
  • Google et2nw8
    In that case aren't they just expats?
    Mar 140
  • Amazon pakora
    Don't think of it in the literal sense. The word "immigrant" in this case highlights the intent of the VISA holder.
    Mar 140

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