Why do tech companies avoid the Midwest?

Fetch Rewards / Eng tqKQ80
Sep 1, 2017 998 Comments

I work as a software engineer for a startup company in the northern part of the Midwestern U.S. I make about $80K/year, with benefits, which may seem small... but honestly it's plenty.

I have my student loans paid off. I have my car and motorcycle paid off. I own a 3-bedroom home, with a fenced in yard where the animals can play, and which is only a 20-minute commute from the office. I'm lazy so instead of cooking I end up eating out a lot. And I still have money left over each month for dates, entertainment, and recreation. In other words (especially when compared with California), the cost of living is extremely low, and life is good. I would never in a million years sacrifice what I've got going here to go out west to Silicon Valley. I would certainly make a lot more there but my quality of life would almost certainly go way down.

So why aren't more tech companies setting up offices in the Midwest? The cost of living is so low here. For companies like Google, Microsoft, Facebook, it would cost them very little, comparatively. In the Midwest you don't need a $400K salary to survive; you can live comfortably with only $80K. Those companies could get away with paying a lot less here and nobody would complain. Why do the major players stay away?

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  • New / Design whodatwho
    Probably because top talent doesnt want to live there
    Sep 1, 2017 55
    • Microsoft / Eng loyalty
      I used to live in Midwest. I worked there for 5 years (two companies), and felt the talent isn't there. Passion, drive, energy not there.

      Then I decided to move to Silicon Valley. Light and days different. People around you are generally very smart. The projects you are assigned, you can trust your coworker will do it right and on time. I was hired as SDE 1 in Microsoft so technically I started again.

      Sure you have a big house and a car, etc. But in SF I saved 10x more money than I worked in Midwest. Housing is expensive and that's the only pain we currently have right now
      Sep 5, 2017
    • Amazon ThsGyFucks
      Because it's "fly over" country. Talent doesn't live there or want to. The Midwest is where you go to "raise a family" not where innovation happens. Sure FANG all have outposts there but just that... regional outposts. The bulk of work in tech is on the west coast and will likely stay there.
      Sep 6, 2017
    • FormFactor xxrj07
      I live in SF partly because of world class restaurants. I used to live in midwest and got sick of eating bullshit food.
      Sep 9, 2017
    • Snapchat / Eng camera-co
      The thing people are forgetting here is that the talent that does live in the Midwest is already accounted for by someone.

      There are tons of project owners for many of the largest open source projects out there who live in bumble fuck, working at either remote or small offices for who ever is willing to take them.
      Sep 22, 2017
    • Sanford Health LPdc66
      It's the mindset of the majority of people on this forum who have never lived anywhere good in the Midwest that keep flooding the coasts and making them overpopulated. There's so much more growth and start up potential when you're a big fish in a small pond.
      Oct 4, 2017
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    • Citrix Systems dktrxen
      Y'all shouldn't bash on Tulsa for diversity. They've come a long way from having the nation's worst race riots. Betty Shelby is a shining example of tolerance and welcoming others.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Mapp / Ops
      OrangeToad

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      OrangeToadmore
      Some of you are being blatantly racist towards mid Western whites.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • New / Ops
      OCne35

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      OCne35more
      You are an ignorant regionist/bigot
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Intuit Kindbar
      Ashamed you are from Intuit
      Sep 2, 2017
    • HPE bg2309
      The Midwest doesn't want or need the left and rights coasts to invade them. California isn't doing so well.
      Sep 2, 2017
  • Yahoo dmcc37
    I am an Indian. Well tech crowd is full of Asians plus Indians. I won't move to Midwest, for I am scared of guns.
    Sep 8, 2017 27
    • New / Sales Hurricane
      As it turns out, I live in a rather gun-unfriendly northeastern state.

      And plenty of people care.
      Maybe where you live, they don’t.
      But that’s not the case in the vast majority of other states, and not just in the Midwest.

      I wish you luck with your irrational fear of inanimate objects and your overly broad, incorrect assumptions.
      Sep 16, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Trumpist poison from the midwest defenders. It's criminal what fox news, right wing talk radio, and brietbart have done to people in the uneducated areas of the country. It's straight up brainwashing and it's sad.

      Every screed is riddled with factual errors and logical fallacies and none of them seem to recognize or understand that at all.
      Sep 20, 2017
    • New WeR138
      Statistically people in the "disarmed" costal states have significantly less gun deaths per capita than in the midwest. The argument that having more guns than people makes us all safe is completely ignoring the facts.
      Oct 5, 2017
    • Monsanto 1lxnva
      Dmcc37 have you lived in Midwest? I am from India in the IT field. and living in Midwest and i love it here. It is great to raise a family, save more than compared to California. Some peace of mind that i am not on a fault line.
      Nov 13, 2017
    • Wolters Kluwer radix8655
      Talk about someone who has never lived in the Midwest and talks nonsense. It is a very safe place unless ignorant people like you spreading false rumors take over. Stay in the west, don't come here and spread misinformation
      Jun 2, 2018
  • New / Other
    MachoMan

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    Most white westerners will be horrified the day their neighborhoods starts filling up with immigrant indians and asians
    Sep 1, 2017 8
    • VRenetic / Product
      hamming

      VRenetic Product

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      Working...even now
      hammingmore
      Curry ON the fried rice sounds so good right now.
      Sep 1, 2017
    • Gen!x / Eng
      XPbr65

      Gen!x Eng

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      Mehy
      XPbr65more
      This city doesn't exist.

      Between what Census windows did Indian population hit 15% and then White population drop? 2000? 2010?

      This is a fictional construction to paint midwesterners as a bunch of hicks afraid of anyone who looks the least bit (sun)tanned.
      Sep 1, 2017
    • And it tasted better than that thick slab of beef that whities love to barbecue
      Sep 1, 2017
    • Microsoft dannibal
      Loooooovvvveeee curry and fried rice!!!! If that was a threat ... I'm in. That food is amazing!
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Microsoft / Sales
      Ric

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      Ricmore
      Where did that Indian SWE get stabbed while being told to get out of the country? I believe it wasn't CA or WA
      Sep 3, 2017
  • I think a lot of posters in this thread have never been to the Midwest
    Sep 4, 2017 14
    • IBM / Mktg pxDx83
      And it's not just the people. It's the state laws too. Comparing (say) Texas and California, it's a different world.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng jskskd
      1. Texas isn't Midwest, It's the south. Quite a difference but cities there are even pretty progressive such as Austin where a few UT grads I know are from.

      State laws are harder to get around but still trivial for someone making engineering Money (just need to travel out of state).

      Culture is harder but most tech is in cities which are almost all liberal so again, not too big of deal
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Google kWHx68
      As a representative of the South, we think of Texas as their own region :P
      Oct 2, 2017
    • New / Eng
      Packetguy

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      Madison Wisconsin has an amazing University turning out top engineering talent that leave right when they graduate because there is t that many places to work other than Epic and a small Google office.
      Oct 3, 2017
    • Twitter BdgD74
      I've lived in the Midwest and people being politely condescending because you aren't white i.e racism-lite really your gears after a while.
      Oct 8, 2017
  • Oracle Byebye
    I will never get near a state that elected Trump.
    Sep 1, 2017 17
    • Microsoft Plethora
      maskedman, liberal like us (and Jeff Bezos) are the reason you have a job
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Amazon drakejosh
      Oh shit lmao
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Amazon maskedman
      Bezos has always claimed to be libertarian. Which is actually the opposite of the current liberal democrat socialist fascist.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Amazon drakejosh
      Bezos actually admitted to being a Know-Nothing
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Microsoft Plethora
      Maskedman that's BS, he has been described as that; he doesn't claim that. He's almost exclusively given to democratic candidates.
      Sep 2, 2017
  • Nike / Ops sq1713
    I lived in the Midwest for several years before moving to PNW. Calling all midwesterners racist, dumb, or whatever is as rude and intolerant as painting all coastal dwellers as elitist bleeding heart liberals. How about treating people as individuals instead of generalizing like a bunch of assholes.
    Sep 2, 2017 6
    • New / Eng IWannaByte
      Dumb? Hicks? I take full offense to that! I live in the Midwest! I'm a software engineer! I see more people under-educated on the coasts who are repeatedly proven to be ignorant and self absorbed. I've dealt with people on the phone who dont even know where Nebraska is! And people who thought trump should be arrested for hunting dinosaurs!

      Whoever you are, keep your comments like such to yourself! I work on the silicone prairie! And I would never want to work with or associate myself with a person of your low caliber! Yeah, you may make 3 times what I do. But, I can sleep with a good conscience at night! And have friends who would die for me!
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon spiddyocky
      @IByte: we coastals sleep with a good conscience... wtf are you talking about? Your prairie sucks.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Hahahahaha 'silicone prairie' roflmao Ima tell that to everybody I see for a month and we'll all have a laugh

      We all sleep with a good conscience out here and we don't have to rank our friends on level of willingness to die for us.

      Trump is retarded, you are retarded, and nobody in the world knows or cares at ALL where the fuck Nebraska is. Seriously. It's a non place.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon spiddyocky
      Lol... seriously. "Silicon prairie" is not a thing.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • New / Eng IWannaByte
      Well, since you all are being derogatory and trolls...

      The best of "fuck off"s to you as well!
      Sep 3, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng
    slay

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    slaymore
    The Midwest is racist as fuck. Over half the talent in tech are minority groups. How can you convince an Asian, or Indian, or Arab, or black to move to the Midwest to be persecuted in public by fellow Americans and shot by rogue officers?
    Sep 4, 2017 3
    • Microsoft Jim Raynor
      Great idea. Let's move all white jobs to the Midwest. Minorities stay in California.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Accenture / Other
      obamacare

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      obamacaremore
      I will cosign this. Only person to ever refuse to shake my hand was a white VP of technology for a St. Louis regional corporation
      Sep 5, 2017
    • Amazon ctiff
      Based on what? Your lowly educated opinion? Social media memes? Unlike you, i actually do business throughout the country and work for AMZ to keep my level of boredom down. I actually participate in ownership of a company with mfg throughout the midwest and west. SEA, PHX, SMF, DEN, and LAS are the most racially polarizing locations. The most racially diverse locations are SAT and MSP. SEA and SMF are where degreed employees suck the most
      Sep 14, 2017
  • Accenture / Other
    obamacare

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    BIO
    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
    obamacaremore
    Because the rust belt is a crumbling shithole. Outside of Minneapolis/Chicago most midwestern cities lived and died with manufacturing and local leadership is more concerned with making sure entrenched interests are fed than encouraging new industries and investment.

    When the tax pie is growing cities can offer bike shares, nice downtown pedestrian malls, and other amenities that appeal to young tech workers.

    When the tax base shrinks watch fragmented municipalities knife fight each other over a shrinking pond every year.

    Nearly all my friends have moved to Austin/Seattle/Denver/NYC and when I finish my masters I am heading that direction too. Staying in your midwestern home city these days is a tacit sign of failure when it comes to tech.
    Sep 1, 2017 1
  • Twitter BdgD74
    The Midwest is great if you are white. The subtle constant racism gets old very fast for those of us that aren't white.
    Oct 7, 2017 4
    • Amazon Solong
      It can be great if you are white, Christian, and a native English speaker. If you are not Christian or if born in another country, it really sucks. When I lived in Chicago, I was totally alienated because everyone talked about church and American sports (football and baseball) all the time.
      Oct 8, 2017
    • Twitter BdgD74
      Good point! Blatant racism and alienation is easy enough for most people to spot and denounce. What's harder to deal with is the kind of "death by a 1000 paper cuts" kind of situation you describe. When I was in the Midwest random people would talk me to as if I were an idiot only because I looked different.

      As an example: I don't mean to toot my own horn but I have a PhD in computer science and can figure out how to use a gas pump, unnecessarily patronizing gas station owner.

      No amount of cost of living advantage is worth sacrificing one's own dignity.
      Oct 8, 2017
    • Amazon Solong
      I’m white but not Christian and grew up in a non-English speaking community in NYC. I was a total pariah in Chicago. My roommate who was from the Dominican Republic was an outcast as well because everyone assumed she was African American, but she didn’t care about American sports or soul food. I couldn’t wait to get out of the provincial Midwest as soon as possible—and I’m never going back.
      Oct 8, 2017
    • New tpqws4
      Quicken loans is 70% black. That percentage is astronomically higher than that of virtue signaling tech companies on the west coast
      Jan 15, 2018
  • Microsoft
    Freya ❤️

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    Well...i think it is a few things...

    A lot of tech companies have presence in the Midwest. I think what you are asking is why more don't HQ there or larger presence.

    it is a lot easier to recruit in an economy already full of tech talent. And people tend to start new companies with people they already know. Or move to companies using their network. To move elsewhere requires being a pioneer of sorts and introducing a lot of unknowns. I think it would be more challenging to scale quickly in the midwest.

    Weather - being from the West Coast I can't even imagine living somewhere with serious seasons. It's gray in Seattle but mild at least. That is a part of quality of life to be able to bike to work year-round. And the sun in California offsets many evils.

    Politics and religion....a lot if us in the west coast (and more urban areas across the country) are "blue state" and somewhat terrified of "red state" politics with all the guns and God. I am atheist and cannot imagine living somewhere so religious.

    I used to work at a couple of companies headquartered in the Midwest. The biggest issue I saw was the culture clash between the west and Midwest. The two cultures do not mesh well! Hierarchy was a much bigger thing in the Midwest. Structure and rules were more important. Nobody swears at work and dress is way more conservative. You feel like you can't share your ideas without permission from your boss. There is a much more conservative approach to risk. People don't job hop.The Midwest is just a lot more traditional and by the book and it shows in everything. The workers kind of just accept the company line and do their jobs. The same things that make it cheaper also make it less desirable.

    Entitled arrogance, with its MANY downsides, also produces a mindset that is great for innovation, pushing boundaries, working insane hours, et cetera. Part of the magic of SV is how willing people are to take stupid risks.

    That said, SV is already branching out. It has additional large offices in tech centers like Seattle. And Amazon (out of Seattle, not SV obviously) certainly has jobs all over the place. Eventually tech will ruin your Midwest cities too. Just give it time. 😉

    That's my two cents.
    Sep 3, 2017 18
    • New / Sales Hurricane
      But why does that matter?
      Why would anyone at work, or privately, care what religion you practice, or don’t practice?

      I don’t get it.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon DdAw85
      You're screwing around with the 4 billion thing, right? That's the age of the earth. The universe is about 13 billion.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Aaack good point. Fixed.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Oracle wz
      Hurricane: they shouldn't. But they do. And some of them care a lot.
      Sep 6, 2017
    • Domo / Eng dhbeifbwvd
      Hurricane: come visit Utah. You'll see that religion is a huge part of life. It's just something you can't avoid. It affects who will play with your kids, who will socialize with you, the businesses that are open on Sundays. You can claim that it doesn't matter, but my guess is that you come from a place where it fortunately does not matter. In places like Utah, sadly it matters A LOT!

      Fortunately, I will say that things are improving in Utah. It's still frustrating at times, but much better than it used to be.
      Sep 12, 2017
  • Square anon9174
    You think if Google, Microsoft, and Amazon all moved in to your tiny town, that prices aren't gonna go up, housing supply isn't going to shrink, and salaries won't have to rise to make up for it? That's not how it works.
    Sep 1, 2017 10
    • Microsoft Plethora
      Fuck the Midwest. Chock full of racist Trump "base" voters. Couldn't pay me anything to live there.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Uber swab75
      @Plethora -- you sound just as ignorant as the people you are bashing. Have you ever been to or met someone from the Midwest? Your nasty attitude contributed to the rise of Trump. Further alienating people with your elitist attitude will only make it worst. You sound immature and need to learn some humility.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Microsoft Plethora
      I lived in the Midwest my entire childhood and young adulthood and know exactly what I'm talking about. Immature? No...I'm no spring chicken. Have seen a lot of racist assholes there, have seen how the majority of midwesterners just go with the flow and don't question authority (their churches). You want to talk about immaturity? Look no further than the imbecile man child the midwesterners elected.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Gen!x / Eng
      XPbr65

      Gen!x Eng

      BIO
      Mehy
      XPbr65more
      The "man child" from the Northeast (NY) replaced (presumably) your preference from the Midwest (IL) thanks in part to voters from the West (Idaho, Montana, Utah, Alaska etc).

      But sure, (majority) of us are "go with the flow" "racist assholes"...
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Microsoft Plethora
      Nice try. Obama wasn't a product of the Midwest...he grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, and to school in CA and MA.

      The mountain west had far less to do with Trump's rise than the Midwest.

      Don't believe me? Researchers scraped twitter for hate speech teens and guess which regions pop up as the worst?

      http://users.humboldt.edu/mstephens/hate/hate_map.html
      Sep 3, 2017
  • Microsoft / Design Small
    All the cool kids live in the west coast.
    Sep 1, 2017 3
    • New cbkT65
      Fuck you.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng afk15
      He he. :) it's true
      Sep 6, 2017
    • Autodesk yJGj20
      Oh wow cbkT65 maybe you should get on the buggy and come check out the west coast.
      Sep 14, 2017
  • New / Eng
    fsociety

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    In the Midwest you don't have to smell human feces every time you get on the BART.
    Sep 3, 2017 7
    • Amazon / Eng jskskd
      Illinois voted 55.83% for Hilary, 38.76% for Trump where as Washington state voted 54.30% for Hillary 38.07%.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Zillow Group leetaxor
      that's nice, we're talking about the Midwest as a whole, not just one state.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng jskskd
      You do know there were a bunch of trump voters in rural California just as there were in washington just as there were in every state.

      The west coast isn't some magical place devoid of trump voters.
      Sep 4, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng
      mUqi08

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      mUqi08more
      When Midwest grow big enough to attracts all sorts of people, it will have the same problems.
      Sep 9, 2017
    • Fiserv / Eng
      Nonamened

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      Clearly the opportunity never lived in metro milwaukee.
      Sep 14, 2017
  • AppDynamics farce
    The real answer why they avoid the Midwest is the lack of talent. I am an east coast startup transplant to the Midwest, and there simply isn't the talent here. Not a dig, just reality. That said, I work for sf company, make sf money, and live here. But I fly everywhere. Trade offs.
    Sep 2, 2017 13
    • HPE HccE43
      Thanks for explaining to me your elite accomplishments. However you'd think a person with a phd would have something better to do than rant nonsense on a private message board. Guess the mathematics field must be flooded with actual intellectuals.
      Sep 2, 2017
    • Microsoft urmomsbf
      I would say you have something better to do, but you're in the midwest and who are we kidding
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng /bin/bash
      Good enough for government work
      Sep 3, 2017
    • New / Eng ᕕ( ᐕ )ᕗ
      > urmomsbf
      Are you 12?

      All I got out of this thread is manchildren are real and too active on blind...
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Groupon rahul
      It is BS to say all talent is in few cities. Talent is honestly sculpted developed by companies.
      Sep 4, 2017
  • T-Mobile sFRP84
    Let's turn the tables. I avoid Seattle because i want to avoid tweakers who might stab or urinate on me on my way to my microapartment thats 1975 a month while wearing my north face jacket in August in spitting overcast rain 7 days a week.

    Look, each place has its benefits and cons. This thread needs to die off.
    Sep 8, 2017 5
    • Tableau ivql08
      It's not quite the post-apocalyptic hellscape you think it is...and it has the best devs, so there's that
      Sep 8, 2017
    • T-Mobile sFRP84
      I lived there. Never again.
      Sep 8, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      It rains all the time nobody should move here you'd hate it
      Sep 20, 2017
    • Facebook fuTW70
      ^ this kind of passive aggressiveness is exactly why people hate Seattle
      Oct 15, 2017
    • Microsoft anonoblind
      That kind of passive agressiveness is why Seattleites love Seattle. ✌️
      Apr 27, 2018
  • New JKlF15
    California would be a fun place to live if you were just out of college and single. A $3,000 a month one bedroom apartment in the city for a family and kids is a joke.

    That is why so many people leave and come to places like the Midwest.
    Sep 3, 2017 12
    • Expedia fuk u
      I like HK and I would probably like those Asian cities you mentioned, but they aren't very "diverse."
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      'Diverse' just means no white guys. So yeah by that metric, full of one of the most populous phenotypes on the planet, it's 'diverse'.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • PayPal tbhss16
      The problem is valley is extremely gentrified when it comes to school districts. Cupertino / Palo Alto which have good school districts have extremely high rents (forget buying). The other problem happening in the valley is getting into good public schools is becoming an elimination contest just like in India and China. While I do agree that moving to mid west does not solve your problems because mid west schools does not inspire kids that much unless they are self motivated to learn outside course work. Know this because I was an undergrad computer science camp coordinator as a grad student in the mid west. I would try to help the comp sci dept get more high school and undecided majors to convert more students to comp sci. Most kids just were not that interested and wanted to go into business majors or psych. And all the educated folks were moving elsewhere as they wanted their kids to not miss out on the tech wave.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Chase afVW33
      @shdjskpqpn do you realize how ignorant this sounds? Where tuition at international schools often cost the same price as a small house one the Midwest, do you truly expect your child to be well rounded?
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Twitter shdjskpqpn
      What does that have to do with kid being well-rounded? Education is a far better thing to spend money on than houses in the Midwest
      Sep 3, 2017
  • AT&T / Mgmt rickhard
    I have lived in California for work and could not move back to the midwest soon enough. California for all the talk of diversity and inclusion is so completely full of itself, many native Californians have literally never been outside of the state but are somehow experts on how much better California is compared to anywhere else.
    Sep 10, 2017 6
    • Yahoo dmcc37
      CA is amazing because it's as liberal as Europe and speaks English too.
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Amazon Gatorade
      Liberal as Europe, lol
      Sep 11, 2017
    • Amazon spiddyocky
      I've been lots of places, both in and out the U.S. the Californians are right.
      Sep 15, 2017
    • Intuit LLtm00
      Lives outside of CA for total of 10 years a few of which were in Europe. There is a reason it costs so much to live here-best quality of life than most all around. Plus your top notch in Midwest. I wonder where you would place if out here. There are some brilliant people out here.
      Sep 17, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Seattle is the same way.
      Sep 20, 2017
  • Zulily lHps48
    Taxes, politics, and weather.
    Sep 2, 2017 14
    • Amazon / Ops futurama
      Omg. Everyone is paying property tax. This mentality is the reason why dumb property tax increases get passed. Do you think your landlord doesn't pass on their property tax burden to the renter? Then you scream for rent control. The landlord isn't going to pay the increase out of the goodness of his heart, but out of the blood of your paycheck.

      Look at the maps of who typically voted yes on things like ST3. It's where the rentals are.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      lol futurama you sound like the type of person who should move to the Midwest.

      Ima make ur rent increase a daytime sev2.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Ops futurama
      Facts are facts
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Okay if you want to fact it up, your argument is stupid. St3 voters live in urban areas where transit is relevant. Those happen to be 'where the rentals are', as you so inelegantly put it, but the reasons for their votes are urban density and a dislike for sitting in traffic on the daily.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Ops futurama
      So those who live walking distance to work area sitting in traffic? You think that politicians are not strategic in how they present bs programs like that? The calculator ignored the fact that rents would go up as owners pass on the property tax increase. That is because people like above don't dig deep. The lack of merit of st3 aside, it's the manipulation of the new residents who don't even plan to live here long enough to take one ride on st3 is what I'm talking about.

      You can't possibly be arguing that politicians don't manipulate

      Edit:
      Actually I've had this argument so many times that I just can't do it anymore. I'll read your next comment if you reply but I'll let that be the last word.
      Sep 3, 2017
  • Weebly BNSp63
    Toyota asked this very same question last year and decided to move from California to Texas. They lost a third of their employees in the process and those that stuck around didn't earn their CA wages upon arrival (I know that's sort of your point). The Midwest will eventually fill out, but don't forget that Silicon Valley isn't so expensive because people don't like living there. People opt into $2k/month to share a bedroom because it's an incredible place to be. They can always cash out and buy their mansion in your neck of the woods.
    Sep 2, 2017 12
    • Facebook dLIp17
      250k base salary? What's your role?
      Sep 3, 2017
    • AppDynamics farce
      VP level, leading global delivery teams
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      lol shitty work, you probably add very little value, you're overpaid as fuck, and you could never get a sr mgr role at a big 4 much less director or vp. Of course you're happy where you are. It's your one option.
      Sep 3, 2017
    • AppDynamics farce
      That's fucking hilarious from someone who doesn't know me, and plenty of jealousy too. Troll away!
      Sep 3, 2017
    • Amazon / Eng cu
      Eh, it's just true. Enjoy it while it lasts!
      Sep 4, 2017

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