Why do the best companies have the worst retention rate? And the worst companies have the best?

Cisco / Sales davis j
Sep 17, 2018 97 Comments

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  • Amazon 123raj
    Uber is like the hot chic u bang but are not compatible , have lot of fights and causes u stress.
    Cisco is like the less attractive yet caring girl who is nice , respects and cares for u and does the household chore .
    So go figure 😁
    Sep 17, 2018 10
    • Microsoft zRqS60
      ...yet strangely accurate...?
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Intuit Xhejakeh
      Worked for Uber here, get a wow from peers and that’s about it. People think I would make millions when they go ipo. They didn’t know my yearly rsu refresh was same as what I would have got if I was at google, only google stock appreciated and mine depreciated. I worked 20 times harder and 100 times more stressful, not for a family man for sure. Leave Uber
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Apple eurp31
      So it’s like a 8+ hot and 8+ crazy in the hot crazy matrix?
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Amazon 123raj
      You got it Barney! 😁
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Apple metafor
      Apple is that chick that looks pretty but only does missionary. And thinks you should be grateful for going down on her.
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Google SmallTC
    More skillful people have more confidence to try out new things. Less talented/lucky stick to security and avoid risks.
    Sep 17, 2018 5
    • Microsoft Elon’sMusk
      ^ This
      Sep 17, 2018
    • New / Design
      htHV20

      New Design

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      htHV20more
      Yes. I worked at a "B" company and it was full of people that had settled long ago. I was miserable.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Amazon Firestarta
      <this>
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber hexagons
      One reason people stay is that they can’t find better. They may actually interview but can’t move to a better role or company.
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Facebook rand32
      Exactly. All my friends at Cisco try interviewing every year, but they never get an offer.
      Sep 20, 2018
  • Oath / Eng [object
    Can’t say Cisco is the worst. The valedictorian of my graduating class had been at Cisco for 10 years now. So I would say Cisco is very good at retaining the very best 🤷‍♂️
    Sep 17, 2018 16
    • Blizzard
      Dashid

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      Dashidmore
      Lol at anyone thinking Uber is better than Disney. Get the fuck outta here. You don't mess with the Mouse. Parks, Animation, Marvel, Lucas Film, and on and on.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Disney / Eng
      icykum

      Disney Eng

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      icykummore
      Uber tech isn’t that complex other than the automating driving. The shit Disney does with parks and animation is crazy.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Williams-Sonoma XhIP67
      Can’t say Uber is the best either
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Cisco TLmJ57
      Cisco no longer cares about retention. That is obvious by the elimination of RSUs distribution at levels below G10. When the employees stock options drown under water, along with it went their retention rate.
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Apple Trdbki
      Lol @ Uber backpedaling
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Facebook dwws74
    My guess is the best talent is less likely to stay in one place because they are the most highly sought and therefore tempted to go elsewhere and also they want to work on different challenges.
    Sep 17, 2018 1
    • Uber djduh
      This
      Sep 17, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng FreshPrinc
    Tenure != retention, dumb list is dumb if it doesn’t account for fast growing companies having a lot of new employees.
    Sep 17, 2018 2
    • Facebook Can’tStop
      This. FB has been growing by >50% so it makes their tenure look bad when really it’s a sign of a growing workforce.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Apple Trdbki
      Business Insider articles tread a fine line between clickbait and actual articles.
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Uber / Eng baɡ
    This comes as no surprise as we have hired the vast majority of our employees in the past couple of years because of growth. Four years ago we only had ~2k employees but now we are approaching ~20k employees so the math checks out.
    Sep 17, 2018 5
    • Google SmallTC
      20k? Surely that's including people handing out promo coupons?
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber / Eng baɡ
      Not to mention, many people who started at Uber 4+ years ago don't work anymore because they're retired
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      Retired? How?
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber / Eng baɡ
      @SmallTC - Nah, that's including eng, ops, finance, HR, marketing, R&D, etc. We have offices all over the world.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber / Eng baɡ
      @Gg56fh - if you started that long ago you were issued stock options and we have had a number of tender offers where people with stock options can sell their shares to certain investors
      Sep 17, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng xmazon
    How is Uber the best all the sudden?
    Sep 17, 2018 1
    • Williams-Sonoma XhIP67
      Oh alright then, as long as it’s not based on merit ;)
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Nordstrom EOJY56
    People don't leave jobs, they leave managers. Companies that pander to overall employees a lot of times don't manage their managers well. If managers aren't kept in check, it makes all the benefits irrelevant. The key reality is that no matter how much money a company throws at you, if you love your manager and your team you won't leave. This is due to the titanic uncertainty that a new position entails.
    Sep 17, 2018 2
    • Gusto AOFW07
      This is very important. Some startups have managers that don’t know how to manage people, much less projects.

      Just because they can work 12 hours a day (including weekends) and have no family, doesn’t mean their subordinate wants to do the same thing.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber djduh
      Not true at all. Love my manager,but leaving job because of pay
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Netflix / Eng
    LukeCaged

    Netflix Eng

    BIO
    Got locked out of my LukeCage account, so here I am as LukeCaged
    LukeCagedmore
    Don’t let the misinformation fool you, we hold on to talent well.
    Sep 17, 2018 3
    • Uber / Eng
      sight

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      sightmore
      It’s not just burnout. Netflix has a forced curve. The policy is to fire bottom performers. That will skew this number.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Netflix uHdD41
      There's a forced curve? News to me.

      Better than the forced sexual harassment training that some other companies could use, I guess.
      Sep 17, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
      sight

      Uber Eng

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      sightmore
      All companies should do harassment training and have a zero tolerance policy. I’m glad Uber was held accountable and I’m sad that it wasn’t done earlier.
      Sep 17, 2018
  • Okta nfc
    Maybe your definition of best vs worst is wrong.

    Cisco has also been around for 30+ years. Of course their avg is higher.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Feminism
    Cisco for a long time was the place to be in the valley. Lot of people I know made a fortune out of working at Cisco. So there’s that.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Uber / Eng
    [ 👈💼👉 ]

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    This article is dumb. It compares high growth companies that are hiring (tenure on Day you join is 0) to mature companies that aren’t growing/hiring.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • PayPal Pay
    There was a recent survey on blind. Uber was the second worst company to join, only next to Amazon.

    Seeing replies from Uber guys here, definitely tell me they are eating too much dogshit(oops dogfood)
    Sep 17, 2018 5
    • LinkedIn gunkanadna
      PayPal is the worst I would never join them lol
      Sep 17, 2018
    • PayPal Pay
      No we are not the Ubers or Amazons yet. Start your war if that ever happens. 😂
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Uber djduh
      PayPal will never get there because no one gives a shit about paypal. It's not best or worst, more like a don't care
      Sep 18, 2018
    • PayPal Pay
      Lol, guess I hit where it hit most for Über employees. You must be one of the peasants or one of the management chain which brewed the amazing culture over there.
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Uber djduh
      And you must be a PayPal nobody
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Docker Glamwhale
    Dazzling offices? I thought most of us were at the same 4’ wide standing desks crammed in as close as possible with less personal space than prison inmates. At least that’s what I see in SF around South Park
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Amazon Player 2
    Never for one second I would have thought Uber was the “best” company in any measure.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Airbnb Bratwsaddf
    It’s because it’s all a lie.
    Sep 17, 2018 2
    • Lyft / Eng
      $&:(

      Lyft Eng

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      $&:(more
      What is a lie?
      Sep 18, 2018
    • Airbnb Bratwsaddf
      Most of these companies are not great places to work, despite all of the perks.
      Sep 18, 2018
  • Expedia CountDown
    Employee leave managers not company ;-) ...
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
    Classic example of lying with statistics.

    You haven’t considered how much older Cisco is.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Apple GtCI06
    Good companies have more good talent which makes it easy for them to jump. Mediocre companies have more mediocre talent, which makes it harder for them to jump. It’s that easy bro.
    Sep 17, 2018 0
  • Microsoft ThisOrThat
    The people who get into good companies get that label and I would guess generally have good skills to crack tech interviews making them a lot more mobile.

    And mobility almost always gets more money
    Sep 17, 2018 0