Seriously, why do we work? Not only work, but work very hard and sometimes even sacrifice our health and personal/family life? Just money? Or prestige?
- Microsoft MrktwhsprI work for tc. Tc is joy. Tc is life. Anyone that says otherwise is lying or has crappy tc.
- No they don't. No one looks at your pedigree when you're interviewing for companies (for mid to senior engineers). The only ones who care are the insecure people who like to stroke their dick at "I worked at Facebook as engineer #2431".
I've interviewed people from all kinds of "non" prestigious companies. Very talented people at my company come from "non" prestigious companies.Jan 69
- Humans are economic slaves who are nothing more than tax revenue generators that their respective governments use to pay back loans at great interest to private banking cartels via corporations. You’re a slave to a very small percentage of people who control the extremely vast majority of the worlds wealth. Just conform, pay your taxes, go to work, have kids so you raise the next generation of workers, go to your happy hours, watch your sports, and tell yourself you are “free”.
- Veritas VeriYLFl88We work because work is the modern definition of slavery. Think about, the majority of us wake up early already in stress with a not very well rested night to get to work. Thought out the day, we stay in our miserable cubicles working for the feudal master, we leave late, because the master needs something completed. Next day, it is dejavu all over. We loose contact with our friends and family and we think our work friends are our friends. The master trap us with our 401ks and our health insurance or visa issues, glass ceiling or age discrimination. So, this is why we work.
- Unless you’re whipped on the days you don’t show up to work, or killed if you quit, work isn’t slavery.
You’re free to start your own company, work as a consultant, or live as a nomad on the piece of land in the Midwest you can surely afford with your TC and grow your own food. Don’t make choices and then whine about them.
- “just start ur own business and stop asking questions” is telling a serf to get their own fiefdom: it doesn’t actually address the issue being presented. If everyone owned a business, society would collapse. We need labor to survive, the question is how the benefits of that labor should be distributed
- Bank of America ComTruiseCause it is a low risk-medium reward approach for mediocre to moderately smart people.
- Facebook alt_qq100%
If you don't have the talent or haven't developed the skills to perform how you need to at the next level (within 40 hours), lots of companies will promote you if you just get more done by working longer... Then the cycle continues because you're in over your head and need to keep working more to keep moving along
People use working more as a shortcut to career advancement and never develop the efficiency needed to have a good WLB that would come with a slower promotion paceJan 82
- Snapchat whatTheAndAre you familiar with the term “wage slave”? If you need work to feed yourself, you pretty are a slave of modern society. Try not to fool yourself too much with the delusional “I can get a job anywhere” or “I love my job” - if you actually made $, and I mean like 30+million, you would never say the things you’re saying now. Just realize that OP is trying to break you out of a delusional perception of yourself/reality
- Now you are going into details by saying 24/7 on call at Amazon. There is no need to do 24/7 on call or even work hard to lead a decent life, but you still have to work no matter what to even lead a life. Hard work is optional where you are now competing with others to have better life than them, which is a very human nature and happens without us knowing about it.
- It’s kind of cool watching engineers becoming class-aware in real time. You guys do all the work, and a dude half as smart with an MBA gets all the power and credit. Why?
- What’s next? You gonna brag about how you know all the ins and outs of mixing cement and how most construction people just get a truck full of cement without really understanding the complexity of mixing? Lol.
Things are automated for a reason. Props for understanding the complex issues, but it does zero to improve your career or get you any closer to being a leader in any org.
- @jeph bezos imho leadership doesn't require a lot of math or even IQ. it's requires EQ and finesse which I am still learning. My point of replying to this thread was this SDE smugness that all MBAs are stupid. Some of us have engineering degrees from top colleges, love to code and had been blue rated coders on topcoder once upon a time and 20% of our time is spent in handling oversized SDE egos
- @Tur1ng I believe there is a lot more to ML than gradient descent. Also I don't claim to know more math than math majors. But I am sure as hell better than half the SDEs we hire (as a former SDE I am rather well aware of the level of difficulty of Amazon algo and design questions). Anyway I think I will prove my point by participating in one of our hackathons. Good day sir.
- We need to remain busy and occupied with something.
Also, money to survive and keep the human race from getting extinct.
- I don’t know about you but I don’t work very hard and definitely don’t sacrifice my health and personal/family life.
I work to earn enough to enable me to do things I enjoy. Like travel, charity, hookers and blow.
- Suppose you already bought your house; paid off all mortgage; also have a million-dollar liquid asset like cash and stock. Would you still work fucking hard?
- That would be financial independence. Most people, including me, don't have that.
If I do have financial independence, I might still work hard if I am trying to achieve something I am truly passionate about. Otherwise, I'd just work hard enough to keep myself entertained and competitive.Jan 65
- L3 Technologies / FinanceTelticIf I had a paid off house, and $1 million in liquid assets.... I honestly would not be at my current job...
I'd be socializing nearly every night... I think fitness would be my new #1 priority instead of TC.
... What are you trying to get at with this question? Honestly.
- House is in Seattle.
One of the natures of human beings is greediness (let’s accept that for a while), many people won’t get satisfied with a couple of millions; they want more, and more, yet even more, until to a point where they start to regret that they actually lose a ton in pursuit of more wealth. Too many such examples; and that’s why I propose to pause and (re)think what is the true meaning of life in the middle of this TC madness. Thanks folks.
- Amazon ohoV27Priority 0: Descent TC.
Priority 1: Fulfillment, Prestige and Personal Growth
Priority 2: Learn new stuff. Genuinely. I would do that even if you don’t pay me.
- Splunk OceanO21You like that roof over your head? You like having a bank account big enough to provide a safety net? You have enough money to send kids to college without debt? You like safe neighborhoods? You like being able to fly somewhere without it wiping out your savings? You feel secure being able to handle a sickness without going bankrupt?
This is why most people work.
- You really don’t @rgLV21. https://youtu.be/bmav517MQJc
Sure it can help, but not necessary. Social status helps more than money. High TC in Tech doesn’t necessarily give you social status as much as being a cool guy in social circles. Hence the carpenter who is funny and witty will slay way more than the mediocre PM or Eng with high TC.
- I work because I MADE IT BABY! I grew up in a single parent household in rural America, joined the military to pay for college, deployed to the Middle East not one... not two... but three times. I've never had it this good in life.
- Most of people in tech don’t have a life outside of work. They substitute everything with work. Thus raising the expectation at work for normal people
- Amazon BlindBossI didn't work for 2 weeks and went crazy.. Need something to keep myself occupied. And something that needs to be done and not for leasure
- Soothe hahawtfMy perspective: To transition from organic beings to silicon beings and later to explore the universe. Each of us organic beings seek to maintain peace and efficiency in different systems to allow more intelligent people to work in different fields for incremental breakthroughs.
- VMware yoooooooloWhat is this “prestige” crap? If you seriously think that you are a sack of shit
- Oracle / EngFigment1. I don’t have anything better to do 2. When I am ready to pop off I can write a tell-all book
- Microsoft nwFA071 - To generate surplus value to the bourgeoisie. 2 - Shelter and food. Some people claim to take pleasure in selling their labor using 1/3 of their already short lifespan, but I believe that most of them have just convinced themselves they like it, similarly to the Stockholm Syndrome. Rich people control what type of labor is worth rewarding to maintain their wealth, so if we try to choose what we truly like to do, chances are that your current job is not the one you would pick
- New WHuf37Op don’t be stupid. Our great grandparents worked 7 days a week non stop farming their asses off. Compare yourself with previous generation and realize how lucky we are today. Poor people today have a higher standard of living compared to previous Kings and queens.
- What is the alternative. You can’t not work. You need money for food. Don’t wanna buy food and you wanna farm. You need to work to hunt at the base of it all. Work is required for survival. Unless you’re a trust fund baby that is
- Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism https://www.amazon.com/dp/1608462471/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_8HanCbJWA6AFG
- Qualtrics / OpsqualtricdomoreI used to work hard because I loved my job. Now I have the worst boss I've ever had so I work just for money.
- Overcome the fear of getting fired. Why you take that crap. If your health is getting taxed leave the job. Obviously that has to do with your skill and how good you are to find a new job instantly. Live free. Do leetcode, keep giving interviews regularly to test your level. My one project at Amazon took a toll on me, and I somehow got the feeling that it could get repeated. So I switched from Amazon. In one month I had 4 offers. Now I am in Microsoft. It's not toxic here. I like it.
- One of the natures of human beings is greediness (let’s accept that for a while), many people won’t get satisfied with a couple of millions; they want more, and more, yet even more, until to a point where they start to regret that they actually lose a ton in pursuit of more wealth. Too many such examples; and that’s why I propose to pause and (re)think what is the true meaning of life in the middle of this TC madness. Thanks folks.
- US Navy / ITBoonakiI don't know about you guys, but I work so I can blow shit up and bang females.
- Oracle redvsblueI don’t work very hard. Why is that assumed? If I do it’s probably because I actually love the project and want a promotion.
- ^this. Almost everybody in this thread don't what's like to work 70+ h weeks for months in a row. Going to a company that working hard is the normal was the worst decision I've ever made. I love my current job exactly because hours are great, pressure is low while still doing cool things.
- Don't bother explaining. @Facebook considers copying features from competitors and crushing or buying out competition as work hard. Wait till they go into irrelevance because of their shitty privacy practises and pretence of bringing the world closer. More like bringing the world closer to all kinds of advertisers7d1
- Microsoft 4RunnerFTWI work because I need to. I can’t sit 2 hrs with family without thinking about work or my current project