Especially the deeply irresponsible adults who try to cross illegally with kids. Instead of blaming Trump for trying to enforce our immigration laws, blame the illegals.
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- Lol 1 in 20 million. So if we get 2.7 billion uneducated people. We will get 135 doctors in the next generation. Yeah that should cut it.
Oh gawd my sides
That’s the definition of anomaly. Those are worse odds than winning powerball
Oh dude thank you for that. You made my day. You have got to be the dumbest debater on this planet. The source for that is your post above
- Yes one example
That is not a stat or a trend is it. Do you get how stats works?
You claimed their children become doctors. So far you have one child thats it. You can give one example and make any absurd claim.
For example if one Walmart employee dies during lunchtime. I can’t go and say “Walmart employees die during lunchtime”
Or illegal immigrants have committed murders. I can’t say “illegal immigrants are murderers”
And stop ending your post with your signature
- Really? How many natives become doctors? Some do and it's always small percentage. Sorry if I did not express it in perfect scientific terms, but common understanding of my statement would be that some children can become doctors. Not all of them. I did not refer to any specific number. Also it is valid to say that there are some employees, who died during lunchtime. It's likely happen over decades of service and millions of employees. So?
You on the other hand pulled very specific number, which you can't backup.
If you have challenges understanding English language, you should work on it. Seriously.
- Umm the specific number was given by you.
You gave me one example 😂😂😂
And there are roughly 20 million illegals in US
You made the claim that children of illegals become doctors and you have one example. Thats it. If you have more go for it. Other wise it’s one in 20 million
As for natives the ratio is 2.3 to a 1000
Oh you are so incredibly daft
- Do you realize that part of these natives are the children of undocumented immigrants? It's hard to distinguish and collect the data if you discriminate people based on the parents past.
You also needs to learn to distinguish between a sample and a statistics.
My example debunk your claims that poor immigrants can't become doctors.
Obviously it's easier if your parents are loaded.
- Oath BootleggerThey come here, work hard and make a living. Trump supporters on the other hand are lousy, lazy leeches who are just a burden on the economy and the society. They don’t work, are stupid, don’t raise their children properly and are ruining the present and the future of this country. I will take an illegal immigrant over a trump supporter anyday.
- You know nothing about me. I donate ~15% of my income to charities. I volunteer on weekends to serve community. I volunteer and teach coding skills to minorities early in mornings before work. I have a PhD in computer science. I speak multiple languages. But I'm soulless, selfish, lazy, burden on society, racist, ignorant uneducated, and full of hate because main stream media said so.
- do-needful one does not contradict the other. PhD does not prove that you can think on your own. Only rehash what your masters say. Your new master is Trump with his well tested scripts. You just repeat the mantra about "libtards" and "media". Your statements show that you can't think for yourself. Just repeat the talking points. Go volunteer now...Jan 11 2
- Cisco @⭐️Blame them for what?
Obama certainly did not make them welcome. He deported more than any other president and Trump is not on track to deport more
- This. Democrats are not fans of illegal immigration, as much as Trump and Fox want to paint them they way. They just want to be responsible, humane, and effective at how we deal with border security and immigration laws. And not demonize immigrants or cause people to fear or hate them.
- I blame the employers of illegals. You can "blame" the illegals but they are realistically just going to keep coming as long as there she people willing to hire. So I'm not sure what you accomplish by blaming poor people from third world countries doing whatever they can.
- Sure, but the employers are the ones American law can actually influence. They will actually stop those practices if you change the laws whereas the illegals will just keep coming if there's a job for them.
I guess you need to decide whether you want to solve the problem or blame poor people in impoverished countries.
- Google gt6N14It's hard to know who's at fault when the media blasts you with "ICE literally kills kids stolen at the border" then print retractions weeks later in fine print. If at all.
And it's not an isolated incident either. There's a consistent pattern of the news stirring up anger with half-truths or images out of context and then quietly dropping the follow-up. It's pretty shitty since ICE really does need to clean up its act and crying wolf just sows mistrust and division and distracts people from actual issues.
- Google / Eng jotmoreTrying a balanced answer: Everyone (mostly) agrees that illegal immigration is a problem. Trump would have us believe it is a huge existential threat, where most liberals see the stats and think that the problem is too small to override their compassion. I do wonder how many of the children we murdered were under the care of bad decision-makers. Then, there is the point about the effectiveness of various approaches to secure our borders.
- Blame them for what exactly? For doing what is in human nature to do? Obama enforced our immigration laws just fine and focused on deporting criminals rather than women and children and families. We had a net zero illegal immigration with Mexico for 6 years under Obama and even today more illegals are being deported back to Mexico than coming in.
So why is a wall all of a sudden a solution? There’s no evidence it’ll have any significant reduction in illegals coming here since the biggest entry vector isn’t risking their lives crossing a dangerous desert undetected.
If we really wanted to crack down on illegals, we would go after the businesses that hire illegals. When there’s no work and no way of supporting themselves, they’ll leave and opt for legal migrant labor visas for seasonal work and get in line like everyone else.
- You just said you want to naturalize all the illegals here (unless you are saying you just want a permanent underclass of 11 million illegal citizens to do shitty jobs?). Dems should want to get as many illegals in before that happens so they can vote. Hence, the strong incentive to have an open border. Pretty fucking basic logic.
- I don’t see anything different in your policy than what is currently in place that has led to 11 million illegals moving here in the last 30 years. Other than you are saying grant a work visa to anyone in the world who asks for it? You realize a few billion people would apply, right?
- Leetcode harder @intel. I don’t have time to 🥄 feed and hold your hand through this. The 11 million illegals get a one time exemption to come forward and register just like the DACA deal. It doesn’t carry forward to any other group of people. Most of them have American children and this point so deportation is just impossible. Crack down on employing undocumented workers without valid work visas. In other words scroll up and read again.
- Again...why? They can’t vote. They aren’t citizens. They won’t be granted citizenship. How would it be different if we let in 11 million Indians and gave them work visas?
Amnesty is just a pardon of a previous offense and is given all the time and works all the time. Pardons are handed out continuously by people in change. Did amnesty not work when Reagan did it?
Scroll up and read a 3rd time. We need a national ID card. An ID that’s very hard to fake and not some drivers license ID you can get with a utilities bill. We don’t enforce our eVerify system and we should. Hence crack down on employers that hire illegals. You think it’s okay to not enforce our employment laws?
- Good number are households, but it’s still a minority of the total population. Here’s the actual breakdown I copied from a pew research study.
“Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.
In addition, they have carved out niches in certain relatively well-paid construction trades. They hold 34 percent of all jobs in drywall installation, 27 percent in roofing and 24 percent in painting. Passel also noted that many illegal immigrants who overstayed temporary visas have higher education levels that enable them to work in office or technical jobs.”
I used to work in restaurants in my youth and I never found a kitchen that didn’t have undocumented workers in them as well.
Lots of businesses hire them. I don’t know how you crack down on households, but you can crack down on businesses and you can impose steep fines.
And again, democrats stand nothing to gain by this. In fact Republicans stand more to gain by not being so hostile to immigrants.
- Apple hMWF54It is easy to blame the desperate people.
Suppose for one minute that you live with your partner and children in a community where people get easily killed, your children are starving and regardless what you do you can’t find a job and feed them. You know a long journey full of perils might give you a chance to solve your problem. What do you do?
- Why don’t conservatives (and liberals!) decriminalize migration?
- Migration is not criminalized. US residents are free to move between states.
Immigration is not criminalized. It is controlled and requires specific steps and permissions.
Tourism is not criminalized, one can get visa and visit the country.
Entering or staying in the country without permission is criminalized because, well, there are laws and rules, see above.
- Lol, try that one on 2nd amendment freaks: we don’t want to criminalize firearms, we just want it to be controlled with specific steps, quotas, and levels of permissions.
Migration is not always treated as legal within the US: http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/09/local/me-then9
- I am not sure why you have to mix 2nd amendment into this discussion.
Is it some kind of mental condition when people cannot separate two things and understand differences? Like migration vs 2nd amendment, legal bad illegal immigration, migration vs immigration etc?
Yes, migration can be limited in some cases, like epidemy (including among cattle) etc. There are laws and regulations on this topic. CDC can throw you in "camp" in case of epidemy even if you are not sick.
- Migration is controlled and regulated by the state, as you said. The legality of a migration is up to the state. Laws and treatment of undocumented migrants have become more repressive over the last couple of decades. How the state has decided to respond to migration violations is through a separate criminal system.
So it’s criminalized even though some forms are permitted - just like aspirin being available doesn’t negate drugs being criminalized in the common use of the term.
- Migration within state is not criminalized.
Immigration is critical to existence of the state and controlled by it.
For communist dummies I can explain what criminalized migration means: at some point USSR decided to prevent farmers (including workers of government farms) from relocation to the cities so it took their documents away and did not allow relocation at all. This continues until 1972 when rules were a bit relaxed. My grandmother was not allowed to apply to college because of that. The only reason my mother was allowed to move to the city is because she got into the university in 1973.
Now this is criminalized migration.
Requiring controlled immigration is a common sense.
- “Migration” just means any movement from one place to another. It doesn’t necessarily mean movement within a country.
“Immigration” means going TO someplace (as opposed to emigration which is going from someplace). It usually has the connotation of moving to stay permanently. Many people come to the US temporarily... so “migration” is a better catch all.
But I don’t see the importance of the semantics.
- Because they don’t want to pay an American to mow their lawn / clean / food service / etc
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