Will Google match Amazon and compensate for cost of living

Apple fung
Mar 6, 2018 28 Comments

This is for T4 with about 5 years of experience. Close to 3 inside the states, 2 outside.
I've got an offer from Amazon for TC 220k from with 160k/105k bonus and 96 RSU.

My recruiter wanted me to share numbers. Will Google match Amazon's offer compared with cost of living increase in bay area?
If they just match these numbers Amazon will still be the better offer given how much cheaper Seattle is.

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  • Amazon Fnej163
    Most likely they will exceed it if they really want you. If you want more freedom to innovate, Amazon is where you want to be
    Mar 6, 2018 4
    • Apple fung
      OP
      I know this changes from team to team, but what is the work culture at Amazon Alexa? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Mordor

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Google, Microsoft
      Mordormore
      What team is innovating at Amazon I haven't seen it yet. We rebuild infrastructure 99% of the time.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      Lol I was going to say, we all work for corporates..... Let's be transparent here plz
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Other WannaBU
      To be fair some teams do innovate while some are just barely grinding away with legacy systems.
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Google UBdG56
    Yeah the whole cost of living argument is iffy for them. With COL in mind, there's nothing stopping someone earning 100k in a very low COL area to ask for 400-500k in bay area for same quality of life. They definitely won't meet your expectations(or any of ours :p) as to cost of living difference between Seattle and bay area. I would suggest asking them for an offer in Seattle, they will definitely beat Amazon there no question. Negotiating between different locations is always tough. I would say having all of your competing offers in same location would be great leverage.
    Mar 6, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng lcaQ38
    How is 160base 105 sign and 96 rsu equal to 240k? It’s more like 220k
    Mar 6, 2018 4
    • Amazon AjlB80
      Agreed. 160+(105/2)+(5% of 96 shares) is 215 or 220
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Apple fung
      OP
      Sorry. Typo. Thanks for pointing it out. Edited.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Sign on is not evenly split at Amazon.

      Even still, it doesn't add up.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon Sdet2Sales
      What level and position is this? Location? And this was their first offer or you had to negotiate to get to this point?
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Apple / Eng
    ʞɹɐԀǝldd∀

    Apple Eng

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    Microsoft
    ʞɹɐԀǝldd∀more
    Unlikely that anyone is truly compensated for COL. But the best situation is the one you’re in. I’m assuming the Amazon offer is for Seattle. You will instantly get 10% more in your pocket from no state income tax. But the weather is the worst! I cannot emphasize that enough. So anything Google offers you must be at minimum 10% more in base.

    Where are you in the interview process at Google? They are notoriously slow, which can be quite annoying when you have a bird in the hand as the saying goes.
    Mar 6, 2018 4
    • Amazon / Eng obWd68
      I love the weather
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Apple fung
      OP
      Thanks for your input. I actually like the weather. Right now, the recruiter wants me to give compensation data to take it forward.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
      ʞɹɐԀǝldd∀

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Microsoft
      ʞɹɐԀǝldd∀more
      If you love the weather, this should be an easy decision. You will never be paid 2x as much here to compensate for the COL. It’s a sacrifice for climate and opportunity. I alway have to warn people, having been a long time resident of Seattle.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Prague
      If the recruiter wants comp data, you can either agree and give it, or refuse and say you want to hear their offer first. If you’re willing to walk away from google, you might as well leverage that to get the best possible offer from them, which would mean making them tell you their offer without disclosing your other options
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng CTCi
    Ask for google numbers first?
    Mar 6, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Prague
    Agreed: ask Google for numbers first. Then, will they match? Well, the best way to find out is to ask them. You can find one of those sites that lets you compare cost of living in two different places. Say for example, SF is 40% more expensive than Seattle (just making up numbers) - you can ask your recruiter for a comparable adjustment over amazon’s offer with the site as backup for your claim
    Mar 6, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Other WannaBU
      I’d live in Seattle. Then again I’m biased since I left BA for Seattle. :)
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Prague
      Ha I’m also biased since I’m moving there soon - first job out of school, NYC and SF are just so unappealing because of price. But the OP wants advice on offer matching, so the OP gets advice on offer matching
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Mordor

    Amazon Eng

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    Google, Microsoft
    Mordormore
    I had a Google TSE and Amazon SDE2 offer, both for 220k, Google offered last and didn't budge on raising TC more than 5%. I had two calls with the Google recruiter and team before I declined.
    Mar 6, 2018 2
    • Google UBdG56
      They don't view TSE the same as SWE. You would have had significantly more leverage as a SWE.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Mordor

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Google, Microsoft
      Mordormore
      Both in Seattle I'm afraid.
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Amazon jDIU30
    What's your role and level you are being hired for?
    Mar 6, 2018 2
    • Apple fung
      OP
      Sde2 l4 I think.
      Mar 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Other WannaBU
      SDE2 = L5
      Mar 6, 2018
  • Google gtrdb
    You're in a great spot. You have an offer from Amazon already, and you have no need to accept Google if they don't meet your requirements. So figure out what those requirements are, and just ask them. If it's a no, walk away.
    Mar 6, 2018 0
  • Google poinsetti
    Google has a lot of people in SEA/KIR so you can see about getting placed there.
    Mar 6, 2018 0

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