Why or why not?
Curious to see if there are any anti vaxxers on Blind.
Why or why not?
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- My kids are vaccinated, but some vaccines are bullshit. Also, I think having an aversion to mainlining spoiled egg is pretty reasonable. Vaccines could be made much cleaner/safer but profits come first. The antivaxxers that I know didn't start out that way, they or one of their kids had an adverse reaction to a vaccine and they became skeptical. Adverse events are dramatically underaccounted for, doctors reason coldly that they aren't mortal. Which while true, they are completely avoidable, and they contribute to skepticism. What's more real? Some random events that supposedly might happen, or the actual kid delirious for a day or screaming their head off? The other side to it is palliative care had gotten dramatically better since we developed vaccines for ailments like measles. Would measles actually be as mortal or dangerous today? No. So why shove egg crap in my veins for something that we know how to treat?
- Amazon VaporeonOP@kts58Df Measles is not a mild childhood disease, and can leave crippling lifelong effects. Right now in Madagascar thousands of children have died because they were not vaccinated against it. It's been decades since people have had an outbreak in the USA, thanks to vaccines, and it is shocking to me just how quickly we forget the devastating effects of these diseases... I pray for your future children that they will never get any of them.
Madagascar measles epidemic kills more than 1,200 people, over 115,000 cases reported https://apnews.com/0cd4deb8141742b5903fbef3cb0e8afa
- You would think malnutrition and/or compromised immune system due to age, other medications, and exposure to different strains than those in the vaccines would have nothing to do with it. That's in the fine print of every vaccine if your doctor provides the literature. There's a reason for medical waivers given to some people.
- @kts58Df, no these are not the “same doctors” who thought thalidomide was effective and safe medication. Medical science had advanced quite a bit since then.
And if you don’t believe US doctors who’ve been bought out by corporations, what about ones from Sweden, Denmark, and basically every other country in the world? Are they also part of this global conspiracy theory to inject aluminum into our children?
@alwzangry LOL. My doctors never talked about the side effects of vaccines for me nor for my children. So, no.
- Measles itself leads to conditions which themselves are deadly, all of which are treatable. At the time that measles was an epedimic in the developed world, we did not understand those secondary conditions. It's purely an example intentionally one that would be controversial. I don't have an issue with vaccines, I just want pharma to put safety before profits and make them in a cleaner fashion. There's really no reason to inject them anyway, they are weakened viruses which spread without being injected. Basically, our vaccines are stuck in 1920s technology, they could be made better and safer.
- You literally just said there’s no reason to inject vaccines. Which is a medical practice.
Anyways, I’m glad you discovered this. If you did indeed give vaccines to your kids, did you have them injected or did you enlighten your pediatricians with safer and cleaner ways to administer vaccines?
- Replacing religion with absolute unquestionable science only changes the word and preserves the character. Take it on a case by case basis. What is probability of disease vs is it easily treated vs how much adverse effect vaccination can have in a new born baby? We don’t vaccinate for every one of the million diseases known to us.
Its not blanket good. Parents are entitled to do what they think is best for their children- you can educate and inform them if you believe their choices are made in ignorance.
Parents choose a few and children can vaccinate themselves with the remainder when they grow up. They will have more resistance to deal with the consequences. One of things missing from these flame wars is the transparency into how many cases are seen and what’s the effect of each vaccine. Internet has made people research everything and doctors don’t seem very comfortable accrediting or debunking these claims with their own data and research.
- Vaporeon: yes, we trust should doctors who are good with their knowledge and diagnosis skills. Not every doctor keeps up with research and reports, but every doctor is approached by the industry encouraging the use of specific drugs. There are basic vaccines that everyone must get, but the effects depend solely on a person's immune system. There's a reason why vaccines are not prescribed to people who've already had the disease. If things were black and white, Europe, US, Australia, Asia would have consensus on age/dosage/recommended/mandatory. For any drug or vaccine where qualified people somewhere seem to disagree, you have to wonder why.
- There are a few more options for you if, for some reason, you don't like Texas.
These are counties with more than 400 kindergarteners not vaccinatted due to their parents choice.
Put your family where your mouth is and move there.
- Read the paper I linked, then read this: https://www.newsweek.com/measles-outbreak-washington-texas-oregon-anti-vaxxer-nme-map-predicted-1320044
"When comparing the findings of the study with the current outbreaks—first reported by Popular Science—there appears to be a closely matched pattern, with measles cases being reported in the hot spots identified by the researchers."
- CDC website says outbreaks are related to travelers to/from overseas hotspots like Israel, Philippines, and regions facing outbreaks. These people may have no resistance to the strains of viruses in those regions if they were MMR vaccinated in the US. There is no overlap of the cases reported with the above map either. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the outbreaks and populations where people did not vaccinate. They are in the denser, more urban/suburban areas, probably tied to business and international family travel.
(Edited the last part - read about Williamsburg, NY)
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No flu shots, no HPV, no vaccines for anything that didn't exist in the 19th century. Autoimmune conditions are due to hyper-immunity, so nothing that's likely to feed that. Anything else that's says "do not take blah if you have had TB/asthma..." because that indicates that they passed the trials but they don't fully understand the effects, so they cover their ass legally and launch the product to get profits anyway. And highly suspicious of any product which needs to advertise on Cable. Case by case, overall. Enough leads for you?
- I'm exaggerating a bit, but it's too new to see the effects until a couple of generations pass. Look what we've done in the past 50+ years. We advanced research but also saw rise of new diseases that make our health a moving target. Did we get everything right in the 20th and 21st century? We won't find out for sure until the middle of this one. Until then, it's a calculated risk that everyone takes.
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- People, who refuse modern medicine need to be consistent and refuse modern transportation and modern food supply. Enjoy riding a horse and cultivating your farm. Please don't send your kids to school.
- I guess you didn't read my previous comment. That part is already answered. The answer is No. And, it's absolutely scientific to be skeptical - it's blind faith if you're NOT skeptical. Many people don't spend time learning about areas beyond their own jobs (that's ok) and they trust that others collectively come to the right consensus. I like to do my own research and weigh in on the consensus that others rely upon. That's why there are peer-reviewed publications. And that's also where subjectivity in what's published comes in.
- Sure. Doing your own research is admirable.
Let's make sure we understand what's really involved. You need to do a serious survey of publications on the subject. In each publication, you need to understand the sampling method used as well as the statistical methods used to processes the data. Understanding of the sampling techniques require subject matter expertise and experience. Inevitably this understanding also comes from the understanding of the common processes followed by institution issuing the publication.
Peer review is nice, but it's still important to understand what the findings actually say and under which conditions. Simply reading the headlines is not enough.
Bottom line is it's pretty hard to do your own research if you don't have relevant degree and industry experience. Yet, you can go for it. It's possible.
- Ok. Great then. May be you will be able to publish your knowledge along with the links to the sources so everyone else would benefit. It's especially interesting to see how the disagreement with the official sources is justified. This way others will save time and will be able to make an informed choices.
- Read rest of this thread. Read everything in the fine print from the manufacturers, CDC, doctors. That's sufficient for most people. There's no justification needed and there's no disagreement with authorities involved, just like reading the signs on the highway as you're driving along.
- Autodesk WTF#23What's the science behind Autism and vaccination? Vaccines have saved more lives than one can count
- Believe me, doc don't know everything and they are not gods performing miracles. They can't even tackle Lyme which has been around for 40 yrs and turned a blind eye on the patient. Keep selling useless vaxx and flu shots to the public and let them die by other real diseases
- Why do u want to subscript to big pharma and get annual flu shot? How do they know what strains is wrecking havoc on the population before it does and come up with the solution? Flu shots are subsided by gov and thus gov is creating a recurring revenue stream for pharma.
The best cure and defense against diseases is ur own immune system, and science should do everything to help ur immune system fight these microbial intrusion.
I mention Lyme disease cuz it's a real disease that destroy lives, and gov and big pharma are either powerless to stop it or turn a blind eye on it purposely and continuously focus on generating their bottom line by forcing the population to take vaccine and flu shots
- Walmart.com / EngAZBY000moreCA has anti-Vaxers also, but we don’t have the politicians whom want to spend all of our $. You can keep them.