Women in Tech

Women advocate groups

Nov 8

I don't get the big deal around the focus on women right now. Why are there so many women support groups. There are tons of organizations...within my company, news feeds, advertisements... Being thrown in my face, asking me to join ( I'm a woman). I'm sorry but I still don't get it....why do women all of a sudden need all this support? Doesn't everyone go through shit/unfair scenarios/struggles of their own regardless of their gender/race? Different kinds of struggles sure but we still all have struggles of our own in one way or another.... All this talk about women need support and women need to do more, or deserve more and stuff make me feel uncomfortable. I don't know... Just tired of hearing about this subject all the time....

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  • New / Mgmt
    TheOracle

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    ...not that Oracle.
    TheOraclemore
    Please don't manage other women. Thanks.
    Nov 83
    • OP
      Why not? I would manage women the same way I would manage anyone else. What's the difference?
      Nov 8
    • New / Mgmt
      TheOracle

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      I know and you would suck at it. The worst manager in the world is the woman who says this. I'm not even going to explain to you why because you already know.
      Nov 8
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      A woman would fire another woman just because she hates her shoes.
      Nov 8
  • Intuit PzyY83
    iM nOt LiKe OTheR GirLs
    Nov 82
    • OP
      Most girls I know in real life don't really care about this stuff either. It's just I see it online, TV, and groups everywhere.... I honestly don't know how these support groups are helping anyone at all. I just don't get the point.
      Nov 8
    • Intel babubhatt
      Nov 8
  • Booking.com enOl20
    One example why women need support groups: young women planning family. They go, give birth and leave workplace for many months. Afterwards obody supports them in advancing their careers when they are back to office as its obvious they wont care about career any longer. Why do women need to choose career or kids and men don't?
    Nov 87
    • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
      You can’t be serious. Having a family doesn’t make you a victim
      Nov 8
    • OP
      Isn't there alot of stay at home dads these days? I think there is a good number of men faced with that same challenge....
      Nov 8
    • Booking.com enOl20
      True, but no one expects dads to give up on careers and their choice to take paternity leave rarely impacts their career.
      Nov 8
    • OP
      Not trying to act stupid... But who expects women to give up their careers? Are you talking about the woman's husband? Isn't that between them to decide? Or are you talking about the women's parents? Because yea I can see that happening but women, like everyone make their decisions and can not listen to what their husbands/parents want if they don't agree. Isn't that just being an adult?
      Nov 8
    • Facebook Pills
      Everyone needs to watch and learn by example - https://youtu.be/kvqjXxDDxOE

      This is the role model for strong independent women 💪
      Nov 8
    • Nordstrom / ProjectNordee
      That’s between the family. If you want men to shoulder more of the work after having a baby then have a baby with a man who believes that. It isn’t your workplace’s job, nor you coworkers’, to make up for time off due to your personal decision to have a child.
      Nov 8
    • Groupon tues71
      This is real and it happens, a high performer goes for maternity leave, then comes back and gets zero assignments or help growing their career. Whether you have experienced it or not.
      Nov 8
  • Amazon lMex45
    Thanks for not being a snowflake. World needs more people like you!
    Nov 81
    • The New York Times moony
      🙄
      Nov 25
  • Google beefjezos
    We should have more women like you.
    Nov 83
    • Lyft / Eng
      sev333333

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      Hear hear! We need more women who don't complain about putting up with men's shit. Shut up and put up! Lie back and think of the queen!
      Nov 8
    • Facebook Pills
      We need more women who are strong and independent and don’t think of themselves as a victim.
      https://youtu.be/kvqjXxDDxOE
      Nov 8
    • Lyft / Eng
      sev333333

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      sev333333more
      I hope you're not implying that women who have been victimized by men aren't strong and can't be independent.
      Nov 8
  • AMD
    5nm

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    5nmmore
    I couldn’t agree more!!!! I think these groups do the opposite of helping women — their wide engagement makes men (and even other women) doubt women’s qualifications for a particular role! Is a woman in a particular leadership role (C-suit or Board) because she is the most qualified person for the job or because she is a woman? (I am a female.)
    Nov 83
    • Facebook Pills
      Well said!
      Nov 8
    • Infineon Technologies WXmq22
      The problem is that a woman has to show with many more facts than men that she is qualified, accept it or not. Some groups are wrongly done, I agree, but still some teaming up helps for the same reason as associations of category, class-action, governments, societies are born. When men were in the exclusive groups, did any woman questioned their qualification? Therefore why when women are nowadays part of selected and restricted groups should be considered non- qualified? This simply shows a non-capability of accepting not staying anymore into the middle of the world from men. Again, same fact, but terrible consequence for men and women.
      Btw, I know amazing man who treats women equally to men and even supports them in the research of their role models and and the stengthening of their role in the society - this to ask sorry to you guys If i sound a bit against you; please it is not.
      Nov 15
    • Infineon Technologies WXmq22
      Btw, before guy got a job because they were men, so what?
      Or look at cultures where still they will not accept doing business with women, so you get there simplu because you are the best, but only among men.
      Nov 15
  • Microsoft Zzsm43
    Sounds like you've had a great experience and don't need extra support. That's awesome. Don't join those groups. Many talented, strong women don't have such great experiences. In fact, they have such negative experiences, they end up leaving tech to save their sanity. It depends on where you end up and who you work with, but not everyone gets to choose. So those women need extra support to help them stay in tech.

    If it doesn't apply to you and you're not interested in helping others with less stellar experiences, just move along. Different people have different needs.
    Nov 82
    • Facebook Pills
      That extra support is actually doing more harm than good, that’s the whole point.
      Nov 8
    • Not a point, rather an opinion
      Nov 8
  • Boeing / OpsAirbus
    Demonizing men while victimizing women with no regards to reality. Thats the how democrats earn their vote
    Nov 81
    • Facebook Pills
      That’s why they’re now called DemonRats, not Democrats.
      Nov 8
  • Oath / MgmtAtinlay
    It’s because they all hate men
    Nov 83
    • Intel babubhatt
      Lol just because they may hate you doesn’t mean they hate all men
      Nov 8
    • Facebook Pills
      They’re discriminatory towards the male gender, turd @babubhatt. Learn to think logically.
      Nov 8
    • Intel babubhatt
      Again, just because they don’t like you doesn’t mean they don’t like all men
      Nov 8
  • Expedia %Obviously
    Let me give you an example: recently a friend of mine was being harassed by her manager. It got so ugly she was terrified of him. HR didn’t do anything. She was told this has never happened before. So she shared her story within the support group. Turns out 2 others people had reported that same person on other occasions for the same thing but they were all told that they’re the first ever to bring this up and HR swept it under the rug. It took all 3 of them + the head of the support group + a female VP from that same support group to actually force HR to investigate this guy.

    It later came out that he was fired his previous job for the exact same reason.

    This is why women need support groups -they are not believed, and when they are, perpetrators get away with a slap on the wrist. There’s strength in numbers and until situations like these are handled at all levels swiftly and fairly, people will need the help and support of others.

    If you’ve had good experiences and haven’t required the help of a group , then I suggest you join one and help direct people to the right organizations, the bosses that you’ve had good experiences with, etc.
    Nov 81
    • Amazon lMex45
      I agree this is great but the whole point is this issue doesn't need to have a women angle to it. Main problem with this whole thing was imbecile HR representatives and I hope they were also reprimanded. If not there is nothing to cherish as victory.
      Nov 8
  • Amazon / Eng
    Big_fish

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    Big_fishmore
    The fact that you feel you are doing well without those groups shows that these advocacy groups are working. That, combined with commitment to diversity hiring and strong female leadership at IBM. But not everyone is so lucky. The places that need the women advocacy groups the most are the places that don’t have them.
    Nov 80
  • Amazon lMex45
    Women can very well choose career over kids. Just be upfront with your partner on your plans and start the family with one who is OK with it. Just don't expect everyone to do what you feel is right!
    Nov 80
  • Amazon / Engnewbanana
    You’ve faced no problems or prejudice? Great. Say thanks to all those women who have put great effort in that.
    Nov 81
    • ... I faced assholes in life that made my life more unpleasant. Sure. You always deal with people who just don't like you...for one reason or another, in the workplace or school. And yes I'm grateful for the women in history that fought for our rights to vote, and so on. Other women have helped me no more than men have in my career....in my case it's mostly been men who have me a shot at an opportunity, took a chance on me, took the time to teach or train me at work, .. So no... I don't think women (age 35 and younger) as a group TODAY should get any special thanks... All people in the workplace in general helped in making a great working environment.
      Nov 9
  • Microsoft TrumpWins
    It's a product of the long term political strategy of democrats. They need to pander to identity groups to drive them out to vote. So for example, when Obama was president they started to agitate black people and race relations worsened. Now since Hillary ran (and especially since she lost) they will pretend there is a war on women. If there is ever a gay candidate for president, there will be a guaranteed "wave of homophobia" across the country
    Nov 81
  • Facebook Pills
    OP - bravo for speaking out. 👏

    I recommend you watch this brilliant speech by Candace Owens. It reiterates your point really well.

    https://youtu.be/kvqjXxDDxOE
    Nov 81
  • Galvanize qDxF17
    https://www.sciencealert.com/women-s-code-found-to-be-better-than-men-s-but-is-rejected-unless-they-hide-their-gender

    Also the famous blind auditions for orchestras which bumped up women in orchestras from about 5% to 30%.

    You're not affected bc your you don't recognize it or you fit well into the patriarchy.

    You're also white or one of the "desirable" Asian nationalities.

    Older women need support bc ageism, women, and tech have factorial negative impact.

    Younger women need support bc they're going to be overlooked for leadership bc they're "inexperienced" while their male counterparts will be deemed "promising".

    The great expanse of mid adult women need support bc they've now trained their mediocre junior men to be their bosses. Because they've noticed that when an indispensable women leaves she's replaced by two higher paid men. (At 1 job a woman retired and they replaced her with a new executive and 2 staff positions) pretty sure she was paid less than any one of them.

    Also, yeah I get it. Women don't need more women to "mentor". We need more opportunities to lead. More opportunities to fail as individuals instead of as representatives.

    Also, you're white, right?
    Nov 160
  • Apple KGHP41
    Do you know women at all? This isn’t new. It is in the female gender to create social groups excluding other genders (not just male).
    Nov 80

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