I know a team of 90% Indian males (roughly 45/50 people) that's trying to diversify by hiring women. The Director is afraid that they've become so non-diverse, they're unable to recruit women. Thoughts?
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So they are hiring woman for the sake of diversity and not because they are good enough. That's a bad attitude to have as a team.
Ohh didn't he say Indian. PS. I am an Indian.
Honestly, any decent employer wants a more diverse team. I agree it's tough to accept that attitude, but it's there nonetheless.
If you do so, make sure your manager is a nice guy
Totally, this really is crucial in this situation.
I wouldn’t do it and I’m a male
Yup. Never join a team that is 90% one ethnicity and you are in the OUT group.
I'm a white guy in a mostly Indian team and I have no problem at all. I really like my team.
If they can't get women to join, maybe work on getting more non Indian males then first as diversity. Then at least its not just a bunch of Indian dudes who are all best friends with one another
Exactly. They've trapped themselves. I'm curious how a team gets out of that.
Either grow or break up the existing team.
Hard to say without more contexts but certainly a challenge. Most Indians I worked with are nice folks and very capable. If they can start with getting a female manager, that'll make other efforts a lot easier. For example, a female might
...feel overwhelmed given the 45/50 male, but it'll help if her direct manager is female.
Thank you. Exactly, a female manager would be a major win - but finding the first one to make the leap is difficult. How do they do it?
I'm in such team now: the only female and the rest are Indian guys. I love my team, and don't care about male/female ratio at all. But I wouldn't join the team you've mentioned just for the sake of bringing diversity points.
Thanks for sharing! I'm curious: what's your ethnicity? Also, how large is the team? I ask because I imagine it'd be very different decision if it were a 5-person team, for example.
14 people in total, I'm from Eastern Europe
Holy shit. I am surprised reading the comments here. Because we are only 2 Indians in my team of 30 people, and it has an almost 50:50 gender ratio as well. What company is this with 90% Indian males? That's bad. Personally I wouldn't care much about the diversity as long as everyone on the team is nice and treats everyone else equally (no discrimination). But I wouldn't want to get hired as someone to just improve the diversity, I want to get hired on the same grounds as anyone else.
Yeah, the challenge is someone to give them a chance. Like after the fact if they're nice and cool, makes sense - but would you even do a phone interview if you knew that at the start?
Perhaps don't treat this as you giving them a chance? After all, it's just a phone screening. You can ask about the project, tools they use, future plans, etc. It's their mistake to position a job opening as a diversity hire opportunity, but the job itself might be worth a try.
People always think it’s discrimination when companies try to diversify however I strongly believe the employees should reflect a similar background to the users of the products. It doesn’t make sense to have 100% white male company create a product for the female Chinese population for example. Benefits outweigh the cons when diversifying despite risking as coming off as discrimination.
As a female though, no I’d rather join a more diverse company if given the choice. Unless this is a really dope ass company. Just like at my previous job with an older crowd I felt I didn’t belong as much. The average age of my current environment is much younger now.
So the company that makes a product for the female Chinese population should not interview anyone that's not a Chinese woman? Don't think that'll help the situation.
Don’t join.
"trying to diversify by hiring women" --Isn't that discrimination?
Yes
These days it's allowed and encouraged unfortunately