Women in tech, would you join a large, nearly all-male Indian team?

New TKpg12
Jan 13 69 Comments

I know a team of 90% Indian males (roughly 45/50 people) that's trying to diversify by hiring women. The Director is afraid that they've become so non-diverse, they're unable to recruit women. Thoughts?

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  • Microsoft khdlyxo
    "trying to diversify by hiring women" --Isn't that discrimination?
    Jan 136
    • Amazon / EngGHskann
      Yes
      Jan 13
    • Google rLko50
      These days it's allowed and encouraged unfortunately
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Yes. I'm just the messenger, I swear!
      Jan 13
    • New Ygxgyf
      This can spin either way. From a hiring perspective the comments below show this group is already discriminated against non Indian males because other members of the labor market don't want to join the group. The company now has to force diversity via higher pay relative to skill set or they are restricting their future hiring pool. Consider that trying to pull the same talent from a restricted pool also costs more.
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Couldn't have said it better myself.
      Jan 13
    • Amazon / EngGHskann
      In other words diversity hiring is discriminatory in all situations, to everyone involved. Which implies diversity hiring is both racist and sexist.
      Jan 13
  • Roku Mixi
    I wouldn’t do it and I’m a male
    Jan 132
    • Yup. Never join a team that is 90% one ethnicity and you are in the OUT group.
      Jan 13
    • Salesforce MorningLad
      I'm a white guy in a mostly Indian team and I have no problem at all. I really like my team.
      Jan 13
  • So they are hiring woman for the sake of diversity and not because they are good enough. That's a bad attitude to have as a team.
    Jan 133
    • Google yodeling
      Ohh didn't he say Indian. PS. I am an Indian.
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Honestly, any decent employer wants a more diverse team. I agree it's tough to accept that attitude, but it's there nonetheless.
      Jan 13
    • Google / EngOJqG17
      Isn't it what all companies are going nowadays.
      Jan 13
  • Amazon / EngChad🕶
    If they can't get women to join, maybe work on getting more non Indian males then first as diversity. Then at least its not just a bunch of Indian dudes who are all best friends with one another
    Jan 133
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Exactly. They've trapped themselves. I'm curious how a team gets out of that.
      Jan 13
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Either grow or break up the existing team.
      Jan 13
    • Amazon / Otherzomatodrvr
      @Meliodas that’s a very good suggestion.
      Jan 13
  • Microsoft / EngUllflfhjgd
    As a native American lady, probably not. If they're the majority they probably often talk about work things in another language and I'd be seen as a barrier to their usual way of doing things.
    Jan 136
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Do you mean you're a Native American or just an American.
      Jan 13
    • Facebook / Eng5'6"Indian
      Depends on where they're from. Sometimes English is the only common language among Indians
      Jan 13
    • "I'd be seen as a barrier to their usual way of doing things"

      If you are seen as a barrier because you can't understand the language, then I would say they are shitty co-workers and you need to raise your voice. It is unethical and rude to talk in a language not understood by EVERYONE in the room. I am an Indian and if I were the manager of a team where 49/50 people were Indian and we all understood a common language but there is 1/50 who doesn't, I would conduct the meeting in English so everyone can understand.
      Jan 13
    • Intel UrMomma
      Show me 50 Indians that all speak the same language. And then show men 50 Indians speaking English that everybody can understand
      Jan 13
    • It's only a bleak possibility that 50 Indians can speak the same language, but people can have a perception about their commonality. Not everyone understands that sometimes the only common language between Indians is English. Also, 50 Indians speaking English can understand each other (may take time to get used to the accent though).
      Jan 13
    • Microsoft / EngUllflfhjgd
      I'm the "other kind of Indian". Native American is a better distinction.

      And let's be honest with ourselves, a team that has gotten to this level of homogenization tends to hire their own, as in the same regional origin and dialects. They're hiring people they know, or they've been asked to find a place for via family/friends. This isn't a mistake that they're in this spot.
      Jan 14
  • Microsoft ЯR
    I'm in such team now: the only female and the rest are Indian guys. I love my team, and don't care about male/female ratio at all. But I wouldn't join the team you've mentioned just for the sake of bringing diversity points.
    Jan 133
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Thanks for sharing! I'm curious: what's your ethnicity? Also, how large is the team? I ask because I imagine it'd be very different decision if it were a 5-person team, for example.
      Jan 13
    • Microsoft ЯR
      14 people in total, I'm from Eastern Europe
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Gotcha. Good to know.
      Jan 13
  • SAP Sfhf75
    People always think it’s discrimination when companies try to diversify however I strongly believe the employees should reflect a similar background to the users of the products. It doesn’t make sense to have 100% white male company create a product for the female Chinese population for example. Benefits outweigh the cons when diversifying despite risking as coming off as discrimination.
    Jan 132
    • SAP Sfhf75
      As a female though, no I’d rather join a more diverse company if given the choice. Unless this is a really dope ass company. Just like at my previous job with an older crowd I felt I didn’t belong as much. The average age of my current environment is much younger now.
      Jan 13
    • Microsoft khdlyxo
      So the company that makes a product for the female Chinese population should not interview anyone that's not a Chinese woman? Don't think that'll help the situation.
      Jan 13
  • eBay YAgV34
    To get to 90% Indian males your team must have a racial bias when hiring. So hell no I would not. Your team sounds racist
    Jan 135
    • Would you say the same thing for an all white team?
      Jan 13
    • eBay YAgV34
      Yes. I think the tech workers population in California is something like 45% white 45% Asian and 10% rest. Let’s assume that split Chinese-Indians is like 50%. Then I should expect something around 25% Indian. 90% seems too far from the mean to be just random on a team of 50 even if we assume the team is super technical and over indexes in Asians.
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      It's neither my team nor company...in fact, it's yours :/
      Jan 13
    • eBay YAgV34
      Not surprised
      Jan 14
    • Microsoft / EngUllflfhjgd
      I feel like it could happen anywhere. For MS I know that management would get a target on their head if they thought about hiring someone who would break the watched ratios.

      Someone can correct me but I thought that bonuses are affected by diversity quotas too...
      Jan 14
  • New 5'6
    Holy shit. I am surprised reading the comments here. Because we are only 2 Indians in my team of 30 people, and it has an almost 50:50 gender ratio as well. What company is this with 90% Indian males? That's bad.

    Personally I wouldn't care much about the diversity as long as everyone on the team is nice and treats everyone else equally (no discrimination). But I wouldn't want to get hired as someone to just improve the diversity, I want to get hired on the same grounds as anyone else.
    Jan 133
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Yeah, the challenge is someone to give them a chance. Like after the fact if they're nice and cool, makes sense - but would you even do a phone interview if you knew that at the start?
      Jan 13
    • Microsoft ЯR
      Perhaps don't treat this as you giving them a chance? After all, it's just a phone screening. You can ask about the project, tools they use, future plans, etc. It's their mistake to position a job opening as a diversity hire opportunity, but the job itself might be worth a try.
      Jan 13
    • Amazon / Otherzomatodrvr
      To me it sounds like alexa
      Jan 13
  • VMware XYyb17
    I work in a team like this and I regret taking this offer everyday . All the Indian guys have their own private jokes and speak in their native language all the time . Have brought this up multiple times with the supervisor, but it just keeps getting worse .
    Jan 153
    • Microsoft / EngUllflfhjgd
      That's exactly what my fear would be. So sorry you're in this situation. Are you looking outside right now?
      Jan 16
    • I am so sorry you are having a bad experience. I am Indian but I make sure I talk to everyone in the team and we always talk in English, unless I am chit-chatting one-on-one with another Indian teammate. Even the Indian managers in my company talk to all of us in English, even one on one.

      I just hope this gets better for you.
      Jan 16
    • VMware XYyb17
      I am looking outside now . Speaking with each other in native language is not the only problem with a team like this . It is much more complex. The Indian guys have this deep bond among themselves -which is helpful when they have to work together . But when someone new joins the team it is hard for them to establish a workable relationship with these same people - since what works for the homogenous group doesn’t necessarily work for the new member who joins from outside- in short it is very hard for the new member to be a good culture fit for a team such as this.
      Jan 17
  • Uber misoul
    Hard to say without more contexts but certainly a challenge. Most Indians I worked with are nice folks and very capable. If they can start with getting a female manager, that'll make other efforts a lot easier. For example, a female might
    Jan 132
    • Uber misoul
      ...feel overwhelmed given the 45/50 male, but it'll help if her direct manager is female.
      Jan 13
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Thank you. Exactly, a female manager would be a major win - but finding the first one to make the leap is difficult. How do they do it?
      Jan 13
  • Microsoft khdlyxo
    All teams are already perfectly diverse because everyone's got a unique set of DNA. All this talk of race and gender just riles people up. You're never gonna achieve perfect "diversity" (how to define this?) so stop trying. Also, where's the evidence that a diverse team is better, more effective, etc than a non-diverse team?
    Jan 141
    • That’s why you are here, not in India
      Jan 14
  • Holy fuuk 45/50 Indian dudes! I had been through 30/40 Indians and it was already a clusterfuck. The company will not go anywhere and it will not raise any serious money.
    Jan 131
    • Roku Mixi
      That’s not racist
      Jan 13
  • Intel move_on
    If you do so, make sure your manager is a nice guy
    Jan 131
    • New TKpg12
      OP
      Totally, this really is crucial in this situation.
      Jan 13
  • Expedia Sharknado
    How did it get to that point in the first place? I’m guessing they either have a hiring bias or systemically drive out everyone else. Either way it’s not a team I’d join, Indian or not. A homogenous team makeup is a red flag(assuming you’re in the states)
    Jan 140
  • Dropbox pu5h33n
    Your director is right. You’re going to have a really hard time hiring women and non Indians now.
    Jan 130
  • Facebook public2
    If you have to ask...
    Jan 130
  • Autodesk DouP01
    Out of all ethnicities of dudes I’ve had best working relationship with Indian guys. I’m not Indian or a dude.
    Jan 130
  • Facebook pndubs
    Tokenism != diversity
    Jan 171
    • Shapeways gifted-bob
      And inclusivity. They may hire her and then won’t include her in any decision making.
      Apr 2
  • New / Consultanttnor88
    You mean like this community here?
    Jan 240
  • SAP / Eng
    deadlocks

    SAPEng

    BIO
    Bio on blind!
    deadlocks more
    Probably not. Kind of scary :$
    Jan 130
  • Microsoft blind1186
    Don’t join.
    Jan 130
  • Flagged by the community.

  • Tektronix / Sales
    BlueBerd

    TektronixSales

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    Oracle
    BlueBerdmore
    Sure. I don't care about gender or age. As long as they act respectfully.
    Jan 310
  • Microsoft / Other
    MuskofElon

    MicrosoftOther

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    Moosejaw, Google
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    Beware of elves
    MuskofElonmore
    Not knowingly
    Jan 130
  • Facebook / Eng5'6"Indian
    Whether you're looking for a partner or decent coworkers you can't go wrong with us ;)
    Jan 130

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