Women in tech, would you join a large, nearly all-male Indian team?Jan 13
I know a team of 90% Indian males (roughly 45/50 people) that's trying to diversify by hiring women. The Director is afraid that they've become so non-diverse, they're unable to recruit women. Thoughts?
- New YgxgyfThis can spin either way. From a hiring perspective the comments below show this group is already discriminated against non Indian males because other members of the labor market don't want to join the group. The company now has to force diversity via higher pay relative to skill set or they are restricting their future hiring pool. Consider that trying to pull the same talent from a restricted pool also costs more.Jan 133
- IBM shiteaterSo they are hiring woman for the sake of diversity and not because they are good enough. That's a bad attitude to have as a team.
- Amazon / EngChad🕶If they can't get women to join, maybe work on getting more non Indian males then first as diversity. Then at least its not just a bunch of Indian dudes who are all best friends with one another
- As a native American lady, probably not. If they're the majority they probably often talk about work things in another language and I'd be seen as a barrier to their usual way of doing things.
- "I'd be seen as a barrier to their usual way of doing things"
If you are seen as a barrier because you can't understand the language, then I would say they are shitty co-workers and you need to raise your voice. It is unethical and rude to talk in a language not understood by EVERYONE in the room. I am an Indian and if I were the manager of a team where 49/50 people were Indian and we all understood a common language but there is 1/50 who doesn't, I would conduct the meeting in English so everyone can understand.
- It's only a bleak possibility that 50 Indians can speak the same language, but people can have a perception about their commonality. Not everyone understands that sometimes the only common language between Indians is English. Also, 50 Indians speaking English can understand each other (may take time to get used to the accent though).
- I'm the "other kind of Indian". Native American is a better distinction.
And let's be honest with ourselves, a team that has gotten to this level of homogenization tends to hire their own, as in the same regional origin and dialects. They're hiring people they know, or they've been asked to find a place for via family/friends. This isn't a mistake that they're in this spot.Jan 142
- I'm in such team now: the only female and the rest are Indian guys. I love my team, and don't care about male/female ratio at all. But I wouldn't join the team you've mentioned just for the sake of bringing diversity points.
- People always think it’s discrimination when companies try to diversify however I strongly believe the employees should reflect a similar background to the users of the products. It doesn’t make sense to have 100% white male company create a product for the female Chinese population for example. Benefits outweigh the cons when diversifying despite risking as coming off as discrimination.
- To get to 90% Indian males your team must have a racial bias when hiring. So hell no I would not. Your team sounds racist
- Yes. I think the tech workers population in California is something like 45% white 45% Asian and 10% rest. Let’s assume that split Chinese-Indians is like 50%. Then I should expect something around 25% Indian. 90% seems too far from the mean to be just random on a team of 50 even if we assume the team is super technical and over indexes in Asians.
- New 5'6Holy shit. I am surprised reading the comments here. Because we are only 2 Indians in my team of 30 people, and it has an almost 50:50 gender ratio as well. What company is this with 90% Indian males? That's bad.
Personally I wouldn't care much about the diversity as long as everyone on the team is nice and treats everyone else equally (no discrimination). But I wouldn't want to get hired as someone to just improve the diversity, I want to get hired on the same grounds as anyone else.
- I work in a team like this and I regret taking this offer everyday . All the Indian guys have their own private jokes and speak in their native language all the time . Have brought this up multiple times with the supervisor, but it just keeps getting worse .
- New Kaidi#9211I am so sorry you are having a bad experience. I am Indian but I make sure I talk to everyone in the team and we always talk in English, unless I am chit-chatting one-on-one with another Indian teammate. Even the Indian managers in my company talk to all of us in English, even one on one.
I just hope this gets better for you.Jan 160
- I am looking outside now . Speaking with each other in native language is not the only problem with a team like this . It is much more complex. The Indian guys have this deep bond among themselves -which is helpful when they have to work together . But when someone new joins the team it is hard for them to establish a workable relationship with these same people - since what works for the homogenous group doesn’t necessarily work for the new member who joins from outside- in short it is very hard for the new member to be a good culture fit for a team such as this.Jan 170
- Hard to say without more contexts but certainly a challenge. Most Indians I worked with are nice folks and very capable. If they can start with getting a female manager, that'll make other efforts a lot easier. For example, a female might
- All teams are already perfectly diverse because everyone's got a unique set of DNA. All this talk of race and gender just riles people up. You're never gonna achieve perfect "diversity" (how to define this?) so stop trying. Also, where's the evidence that a diverse team is better, more effective, etc than a non-diverse team?
- Holy fuuk 45/50 Indian dudes! I had been through 30/40 Indians and it was already a clusterfuck. The company will not go anywhere and it will not raise any serious money.