Workday Director Offer

Microsoft sabertooth
Apr 3 33 Comments

Expecting following offer from Workday for director.
Base: $260k
Signon: $80k
Stock: $520k/4 years

Is this a reasonable offer or should I negotiate higher? How good are their annual refreshers and/or cash bonus? Also does anyone have thoughts on growth potential and internal work culture?

Current TC $380k l66 at Microsoft

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  • CareZone P|_|N!$H€R
    How much yearly bonus %?
    Apr 3 2
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Don't know. I was told there is no cash bonus by the recruiter. Only RSU refreshers. Wonder if they have any other cash awards at higher levels.
      Apr 3
    • CareZone P|_|N!$H€R
      My 2 cents, you should negotiate more. This is not much far from your current comp.
      Apr 3
  • New wQEs80
    What type of questions were asked at your interview?
    Apr 4 1
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Pretty standard - 2 sys design, 1 ML, 1-2 coding+ML. Don't recall the exact questions. I think they were on SVMs, list manipulation, dataflow in stream processing.
      Apr 5
  • Splunk loveBacon
    Not worth the move based on the current numbers.
    Apr 4 1
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Makes sense. I have emailed them to see what they can do about RSUs
      Apr 4
  • Zynga CuriousABC
    I thought director was equal to sr staff? This seems like staff numbers? Am I reading this wrong?
    Apr 3 1
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Interesting. I will try and find out about level.
      Apr 3
  • Location? L66 at MS make 350k+?
    Apr 3 5
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Current location in Redmond. 8 YOE. accumulated stock contributes to TC at MSFT. New offer location is Bay Area.
      Apr 3
    • What do you mean accumulated stock? Stock appreciation? Personally I’d stick to MS.
      Apr 3
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Stay at MS because of brand? I manage small team here but new role seems more visible. And comp also high. Looking for reasons to stay.
      Apr 3
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      By accumulated stock I mean TC includes vesting stock that I got as bonus when I joined MSFT a few years ago.
      Apr 3
    • MS because there is not state tax. You are barely breaking even when you adjust for that and COL.
      Apr 4
  • Microsoft sabertooth
    OP
    So, have decided to stay with MSFT. Got bump in TC to beat the other comp. Thank you for your suggestions!
    Apr 8 4
    • Splunk loveBacon
      Congrats!! What is your new TC?
      Apr 8
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      Matched the compete.
      Apr 8
    • CareZone P|_|N!$H€R
      Did they consider matching your sign on bonus?
      Apr 9
    • Workday jai32
      Does Microsoft also give refresh every year ?
      Apr 12
  • New wGsQ24
    The rsus seem low - should be at least 800k over 4 years. Lyft gives a million worth to senior engineers
    Apr 3 3
    • Splunk loveBacon
      Some fintech companies give more. So what is your point?

      There will always be a data point which will be more than what is being offered.
      Apr 4
    • New wGsQ24
      My point is that senior swe at other Bay area companies get paid more than what a director at a similarly fairly well established company is being offered
      Apr 4
    • Splunk loveBacon
      Different companies have different compensation plans. Just because one company gives x $ does not mean the other one will too. This sort of comparisons are completely useless and adds nothing but confusion.
      Apr 4
  • Workday 1-5day
    Workday gives generous refreshes. Everyone gets one and at your level you would get midpoint $250k each year. If your performance is good then you can get even bigger refresh. Your TC will increase longer you stay. Many companies provide initial grant but no refreshes. Talk to your recruiter about refresh and try to get $700k+ initial grant
    Apr 4 1
    • Microsoft sabertooth
      OP
      So, asked them but got the answer that RSUs pretty much maxed out at level. They would have to level me up to go higher (?) Since I am expecting some other offers next week, have decided to wait for now.
      Apr 5
  • Microsoft sabertooth
    OP
    Great. Thanks everyone!

    I will try and negotiate more RSU to compensate for CoL. Hoping they can do at least $700k in stock.
    Apr 4 1
    • New aDmc70
      How did it end up?
      Oct 7
  • Microsoft sabertooth
    OP
    PhD plus 8 yoe.
    Apr 8 0
  • Microsoft ghost
    You’re L66 with 8 yoe in total? Wow!
    Apr 8 0
  • Microsoft sabertooth
    OP
    Anyone has feedback on their work culture, wlb, tech stack in ML?
    Apr 4 0
  • Wayfair jswizzard
    The COL will be much higher than the TC increases of about $60k. And don’t forget about California taxes on top of that! You’ll be taking home $100k less in CA net net, not worth it.
    Apr 4 0
  • Broadcom Ltd. rFkd21
    Why would you take this offer? Given the CoL adjustment, you’re losing money.
    Apr 4 0

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