Women in Tech

Would you advise your daughter to pick a career in tech?

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Dec 1

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  • Intel MurthysLaw
    Who the hell would say no? Sorry darling, you can be anything you want to be, so long as its not in tech. That's messed up.
    Dec 113
    • Google / MgmtFYlH08
      I responded no because the phrasing was wrong. I'd be supportive of my daughter joining tech IF SHE WANTED OR PREFERRED IT. I wouldn't "advise" her into tech. I'd rather advise her into getting into running a business.
      Dec 2
    • Microsoft gEFg84
      Parents should be supportive of their kids dreams (within reason), not try to mold them into what they think they should be. The way the question is phrased you guys answering “yes” might as well be boomers trying to “advise” you to be a doctor or a lawyer. Engineering is the hot new thing but it’s not for everyone.
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      Gender bias much? I would support my daughter in a career she was interested in. I’d suggest tech if she had both the aptitude and desire because I love tech. But not everyone does. Some people prefer sales or art or teaching or being a mother and homemaker. What if she told me, “hey I want to take care of my kids and paint?” Should I sit her down and tell her she’s wrong? What if she said sales, should I tell her no forget that do Engineering? I’d love my kids enough to not try to shove your unconscious bias down their throats.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon @bezos
      @FYIH08
      Lol for your contradiction of your own statement
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft / EngGoivenglav
      Marginally off topic, but.. This is the same way I feel about CS fundamentals in grade school. Make it available and nurture the desire that kids have, but this nonsense about making programming a requirement to encourage everyone is a bunch of malarkey. Don’t force anything on anyone. We still need doctors, lawyers, builders, customer partners, artists, etc. Make it all accessible and help kids figure out for themselves so that they’re very engaged in what they want not what we want.
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft eThi53
      I would have advised no for tech, be it either my son or daughter.
      Dec 3
    • Apple Yror78
      I’d support my daughter if she wanted a career in tech because I’d support my daughter in any career she chooses.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon / Engycti88
      People keep talking about supporting their child with their choice. That’s a very different question from advising their child to choose a career in tech.
      Dec 3
    • Google Tayvious
      Because the way the question is written. It's written as though I'd only advise her to go into tech. It's different then saying "would you support your daughter in whatever she chooses to do". Which the answer would be yes.
      Dec 3
    • PayPal wknu08
      Why would someone answer yes!

      The question is would you advise your daughter to join tech.
      The answer is definitely 'No'. Why should I advise her to choose any profession. She would have the right to choose it and I should enhance her to select what she wants 🤞
      Dec 3
  • Amazon Cmcbcxchvc
    As a woman in tech, I voted unsure. Yes it’s great pay and a flexible schedule which is why I went into it but the longer I’m in this field the more the constant and unending sexism wears on you.

    It’s incredibly sad to me because I love tech. But over the years I’ve watched so many brilliant women get chewed up and spit out. It feels like it’s gotten worse over the last 20 years and not better. In terms of life happiness I’m no longer sure it’s the best choice, except for those women who enjoy a fight and a crusade.

    Most men are wonderful to work with, but they also are too passive and too slow to be supportive when you run into someone who refuses to work with you or questions whether women belong in tech or is just a slime ball.

    Maybe it’s because I’m a senior woman now and mentoring others but I just hear so many stories and it feels like every other woman I meet is under enormous pressure and is getting warped feedback.

    Since the majority of my peers have been pushed out of tech over the years there just aren’t enough woman managers.

    In aggregate, yes I would love to see tons of new women in tech. But when young women I care deeply about ask me about a career in tech my answer to them now is much more nuanced.
    Dec 216
    • Amazon Fetch
      As a woman in tech, it’s hard. Most men don’t realize that their normal treatment skews to allow more men to succeed. I’m not even sure it’s their fault (culturally this is how we are socialized). It takes a really self aware and self confident male to realize this and to support a woman at work. Most men really have no bad intentions, they just don’t realize that’s not enough to change the culture.

      I get what cmc is saying. After nearly 20 years in tech, I’m tired. I’ve had to fight for myself my whole career for things that men wouldn’t think twice about. And I have had to pay meticulous attention to my work. It’s impeccable, because it must be. Any mistake gets me looked at like I was only promoted because I’m female. Even with a steady, quality track record I have to be much more careful than my male counterparts.

      The number of times I’ve been given a high profile project and told that it’s even more critical that I’m successful because I’m female is....depressing and disturbing. This makes it feel like there’s extra pressure, no mistakes are allowed....no matter how small. I doubt any man ever gets told that his performance means anything because of his gender.
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      @ Fetch are you a racist too or just a garden variety misandrist?
      Dec 3
    • New BFrD16
      > Most men are wonderful to work with, but they also are too passive and too slow

      But I though men were too aggressive
      Dec 3
    • Yahoo Whtvr
      I am in your exact situation cmc. Well said and I admire your patience to write so much. I’m simply too weary to write anything or explain anything. It was my first thought after seeing the question
      Dec 3
    • Facebook SherylS
      This is what identity politics gets you. Good. Learn from it. Don't have a women tribe and men tribe, where a person's success or failure is blamed on the group. Then you will have true equality.
      Dec 3
    • Google lionn
      How much of this is because women are taught to blame any hardship on their being a woman vs actual systemic sexism? Is it possible many men have the same struggles, but are not socialized to externalize the blame or at least attribute it to their sex?
      Dec 3
    • Capital One / DesignETF189
      People focus too much on externalities out of their control when true power comes from mastering your inner self
      Dec 3
    • GitHub 7fold
      cmc, this is a great, nuanced answer. I largely agree with what you wrote.

      I'm an out and fairly vocal trans woman (you can probably figure out who I am pretty easily), and I transitioned later in life. I spent about 10 years of my professional life presenting male, and the last few years presenting female. People definitely treat me differently. I've been lucky to work at companies that care about inclusion, and so haven't had to deal with it too much (especially at GitHub), but outside of the office, people are much less likely to assume I know what I'm talking about. It's pretty interesting to be on both sides of it.
      Dec 4
    • DocuSign 10charonly
      "Most men are wonderful to work with, but they also are too passive and too slow to be supportive when you run into someone who refuses to work with you or questions whether women belong in tech or is just a slime ball."
      I fall in to the category of being slow to be supportive, because I think that if I jump in too soon I'd be "mansplaining" or interfering when not asked.
      Any advice for males like me?
      Dec 4
  • New / EngTTNT
    I’d suggest her to be a makeup artist or perhaps a fashion designer. My son is going into tech, I just got him a computer!
    Dec 23
    • EA / Ops
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      What? Why does this comment have so many likes? Could you be any more sexist?
      Dec 3
    • New BFrD16
      Whoosh
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft VfPN80
      Dec 3
  • Amazon BB!
    I would advise my daughter to fully explore her options and if she has any- interests. I would also emphasize balancing the difference between doing what you love and getting paid enough to enable you to do what you love.
    Dec 23
    • Microsoft sleepytime
      That last sentence is so accurate.
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn tLnQ54
      I second that. Doing what you love is one thing, making enough money to survive is something else.
      Dec 3
    • HPE / R&D
      Ingenieur

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      You need to provide honest data on some choices she wants to explore. She won’t know anything about life. You’ll be the most important source of information.
      Dec 3
  • Intel / EngAdamus
    I am a women in tech with 25+ years of experience. I do not have a daughter, but have often thought about this question, especially after seeing my women colleagues actively dissuading their daughters to go into tech. I love science and technology; I pursued the highest degree; I crossed the ocean so that I can do this work at the highest level. However, knowing everything I know: the sexism, emotional abuse, isolation, .....I am crushed to say that I, too, would advise her not to do it. The cost is way too high. For those uninitiated, it might be informative to see some of the exchanges on Blind, how dismissive of women engineers they are, as well as of diversity initiative aimed to finally provide more fair and inclusive environment. So, no, I would advise her not to go into technology.
    Dec 35
    • Amazon Usern@me!
      You think isolation, emotional abuse are exclusive to women? The stress level could be so much that there are weeks that I just wanted to curl up and die. If people can't cope with that, I'm sorry it's just how it is.

      Rant against diversity initiative is when they go beyond providing fair and inclusive environment. My school hardly had any female enrollment. Numbers in the workplace is just a reflection of that. Sorry you can't create qualified engineers out of thin air. I have interviewed 100s of candidates and their gender was never a factor in my decision making, please don't accuse me of misogyny if I don't see enough eligible/qualified candidates.

      Maybe the reason for low enrollment numbers is because of people like you advising girls not to enter into tech.
      Dec 3
    • Yahoo Whtvr
      Adamus I hear you and support you
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Usern@me!
      [Edit: Nextdoor person deleted his/her post, this comment was a reply to that]

      I'm only addressing/countering points raised here. Did you even read what I wrote?

      (1) being dismissive of diversity initiative.
      I'm basically giving reasons why people could be dismissive of some diversity initiatives. Asking companies to have 25-50% women engineers is great if graduating class had similar ratios, but they are not. That's where "the creating out of thin air" part is coming from.

      (2) Reacting strongly for personal experience? I'm just providing my personal experience and showing that those stressful experiences aren't exclusive to women.

      Please tell me what I'm missing.

      If you ask me, yes I really wish our industry had more women. I believe the root cause is somewhere else, it's much before college admissions, it's by people advising girls to stay away from tech.

      If you are curious, I voted "Yes" on this poll. I don't have a daughter, but if I have one day, I would definitely encourage her to enter tech. I would definitely try to raise her to be a strong woman. That's the only way to solve gender imbalance and not with tweets or wishy-washy "I support X" online movements.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Usern@me!
      [Edit: Nextdoor person deleted his/her post, this comment was a reply to that]

      Why are you getting aggressive, I thought we were having a civil discussion here.

      "25-50%" is an example of diversity initiative that I have seen and understand why people are dismissive of such things.

      "Did OP say it's only women experience experience similar to hers" - that's the undertone if you read the entire post. Please read again. (Clue: I as a woman experienced X, hence I advise girls against going into my field).

      You take Blind seriously? Jesus. It's a troll heaven. Even so, who cares. Try to change it by encouraging more women into industry.

      I'm not doubting her personal experience here, I'm just saying almost everyone experience this. All I'm saying is it makes no sense when you say women are underrepresented on one hand and advise girls against entering said field.
      Dec 3
    • Facebook / EngBookEng
      I am a women in tech and will definitely advise my daughter to do whatever she has aptitude for. I feel we are of “go-girl” generation and no other time could be better for woman to do anything they want. Crack top jobs in tech, do startups, etc. I feel I get more appreciation from society when I achieve as much men, so that’s definitely a plus. Not to say there is no struggle, but my daughter would not lack any opportunity from the start and should not have any reason to not be able to do what she wants and is capable of.
      Dec 4
  • Twitter Ghd555
    No ... it’s so difficult to be a woman in tech. Unbearable!
    Dec 29
    • Amazon / Eng
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      I would like to learn more about it. What are some of the reasons. ( i am guy in tech. My team have a few women and would like to understand better )
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft WzTm89
      I would like to understand as well.
      Dec 3
    • Google 🕘....🕔
      I think Twitter was being sarcastic Amazon and Microsoft.
      Dec 3
    • Twitter Ghd555
      Duh
      Dec 3
    • T-Mobile led
      Google>Amazon>MS
      Dec 3
    • Microsoft b2krock
      Get lost T-mobile
      Dec 3
    • Box yKTS42
      Being a woman can be hard in so many professions. How is tech worse ?
      Dec 3
    • Google 🕘....🕔
      Yeah, try being a woman in finance or academia or politics or law enforcement. Tech is sort of in the middle in my opinion. It is not too bad but not great either.
      Dec 3
    • Salesforce 31
      I am a woman in tech and I see most women aren’t promoted for the longest of time. Managers reach out to men they are comfortable with and assign them juicy tasks without even letting everyone have a level playing field to choose from!
      Dec 5
  • Amazon Dindjiska
    As a female in engineering, it’s hard understand why other females would introduce non-tech women to tech. Its a good source of income but the Toxic misogynistic culture isn’t worth it. But I do support women in tech who are ALREADY in tech.
    Dec 38
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      Not to mention the misandry huh...
      Dec 3
    • Atlassian / OpsYeIi10
      Wow, Pongal must really clean up in the dating world with that attitude.
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      @Yeli10 I don’t use blind as a dating App. Not sure why you would.
      Dec 4
    • Atlassian / OpsYeIi10
      Ooh, and perceptive too!
      Dec 4
    • Chewy signine6
      I am sure there is misogyny, but it seems like it is generally a toxic field for other reasons.
      Dec 5
    • Tableau Pete@Nerv
      +1 - My stupid man advice to women in tech is find a manger who’s not ahole and follow them around. It’s early yet but I think we have made small gains the last 20 years. The things I’ve heard from women over the years are just awful if I didn’t know them personally I would have thought it was made up.
      Dec 5
    • New vpkf84
      Other industries have it worst though
      Dec 6
    • Panasonic Avionics
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      It will stay toxic and misogynistic with that attitude.
      Dec 7
  • Uber Rocco69
    I'm teaching my daughters to code right now. They are 7 and 4
    Dec 31
    • Intel ""('o')""
      Mine is good in math/pattern recognition. and we play games that I can tell she is absolutely smart.
      Dec 4
  • I voted no. Women are definitely needed in tech. A lot of them are empathetic and understand user needs more than any man could. No matter how good they are at their job and how high they go, they’ll always have to compete with some arrogant tech bro who wants to mansplain things to her that she may have even taught him and then take credit for what she does. I see it all the time. You have to be a glutton for punishment.
    Dec 34
    • Salesforce ./
      - 'understand user needs more than any man could'

      - 'mansplain'

      Real proponent of equality spotted.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
      Those cliches are getting tiring especially when they have nothing to do with reality.
      Dec 3
    • Workday Timo
      So you run from the battle instead of trying to make a change for the better, got it.
      Dec 5
    • Microsoft dyermaker
      "A lot of them are empathetic and understand user needs more than any man could."

      Sexist much?
      Dec 5
  • Intel crazyaks4
    No . Sadly, it’s so difficult to be a woman in tech. Unbearable!
    Dec 34
    • Google Doomsday
      As opposed to other careers where mobility is even more difficult ??
      Dec 3
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Amazon KHCr70
      NdjH76 sounds exactly like one of the reasons crazyaks is referring to.
      Dec 4
    • Microsoft Bluecsushi
      As a woman I feel we are much pampered in tech world and some
      Times we don’t even need to be.
      Dec 4
  • Salesforce
    Dje8474

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    I'd advise her to identify her true calling. As a woman in tech myself, there's no future for you unless you are excellent. If your average you can forget about any kind of good TC trajectory or life. It gets especially harder at the higher levels.

    I've been told by my managers all places I've worked that I'm among the best hires they have made. And I work most weekends and week days till after 8pm and take grad classes at UCB to keep my knowledge current. It's impossible to make it as a woman otherwise.

    I'll tell her, the world is sexist. Whatever you do you need to excel. Also balance out passion with compensation. And depend on nobody.
    Dec 37
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      Why working everyday till 8pm?
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Dindjiska
      +1
      Dec 3
    • Capital One / Mgmt
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      THIS! The world is def sexist. It can be hard to be a woman in a “man’s” industry. I also had to do grad school while working just so I could be “equal” to male counterparts with only bachelors degrees. But still - it could be worse like working alongside a bunch of gossiping women in HR.
      Dec 4
    • Salesforce
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      Dje8474more
      Of course it is better. As a woman itsn definitely harder if you have a STEM disposition to realize your goals, but eventually possible. Just more bumps on the road.
      Dec 4
    • Bose JustMeHa
      I think u r doing something wrong . There is a culture of promoting women in tech coz they are a minority . You need to talk about empowerment and diversity more and work less , and get a step in either product management or tech management and you will climb .
      Dec 4
    • Salesforce
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      Where is this culture? I've never seen it. None of the women I've known have gotten that lucky. Of course, we get promoted, that's because it's been earned. It's harder because life gets in the way!
      I'm not interested in management.
      Dec 4
    • Booking.com Obadob
      @Bose "there's a culture of promoting women in tech", find some data to corraborate that before spreading sexist BS. The reason there are initiatives attempting to call the attention and try to correct the balance is because of exactly the opposite. Women in Tech are not promoted in same proportions as men.
      Dec 4
  • LinkedIn YVmc82
    Yeah I would. Sexism is an issue. But unlike most people in the Bay I worked outside of tech before this. Trust me, the rest of the working world is much much worse. There are whisper networks to help women land in the right place, but even if you’re not tapped in, if you’re going to work in a sexist world, might as well get fuck you money while doing it.
    Dec 37
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      Misandry much?
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn YVmc82
      Pongal what the fuck could you possibly be talking about?
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      Well YVmc82 you seem to embrace misandry. I’m curious as to why.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon Dssa
      🍿
      Dec 3
    • LinkedIn YVmc82
      I don’t embrace misandry, but I wholly endorse ignoring the fuck out of immature trolls. Please leave LinkedIn, we don’t need you.
      Dec 4
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      @YVmc82 I’m not a troll, I just found your post offensive. What sexism exactly do you speak of yours?

      Equality must seem like punishment when you are accustomed to privilege. How progressive and inclusive of you.
      Dec 4
    • LinkedIn YVmc82
      🙄 i can’t believe i work with someone this mediocre
      Dec 4
  • LinkedIn whatwhatwh
    I am a woman who never saw tech as a possibility growing up, and was encouraged to do something that lent itself to raising a family, and ideally being a stay-at-home mom. I had to find tech by myself after a several-year career in healthcare, and I sincerely wish I could have been in tech all along.

    I always did better in math/stats/other technical fields yet for whatever reason, I was led to believe that CS was a man’s degree.

    I’ve not experienced sexism in the workplace in tech. I’ve found my team, which was originally all men, to be welcoming and collaborative, and to value my opinion (or at least appear to value my opinion lol). Like another post mentioned, I actually found sexism to be much *much* worse in healthcare, and have found tech coworkers to be more respectful and professional. I am happier with my work now, and I’m so extremely grateful to have made the career leap.

    TL;DR: as someone who discovered tech later in life, and wishes I was in tech all along, I’d never discourage a daughter from entering the tech field.
    Dec 30
  • Microsoft -/:;()$
    If she is a minority female she is on the path to CEO!
    Dec 35
    • GE root#
      I really doubt it, I’m a software engineer w 6 yoe. Minority female & only get 102k TC... 🤷🏽‍♀️
      Dec 3
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      I mean, GE is hardly the top of the pay ladder.
      Dec 3
    • GE root#
      Sure, but according to Blind everyone else at my level and location is at least 130K — just trying to show that not every female is overpaid etc...
      Dec 3
    • Facebook SherylS
      That's because females are risk averse, don't shop around for offers or threaten to quit unless countered. They don't even bother negotiating so as to maintain harmonious relationship. There's no sexism. Women are on average higher on the neuroticism and agreeableness scale than men - it's inherently biological, and it hurts them in pay and promotions.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon BeffJeezos
      Hi SherylS, maybe it’s time to stop peddling all that ‘leaning in’ BS and start looking for a new job. And stop pretending you speak for women everywhere (or anywhere for that matter)
      3d
  • Facebook / EngBookEng
    I would advise my daughter to do anything she is interested in and also good at, but knowing our genes she won’t have talent for anything creative.
    Dec 31
  • Airbnb jim.hodlen
    only if she fails to get into med school
    Dec 310
    • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
      Med school? Way too much debt, not nearly high enough pay, and you don't even start making money until you're like 30! Hard pass.
      Dec 3
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      do you realize that people might have different goals in life from you?
      Dec 3
    • Intel NUea04
      Wow, looks like Amazonians have lost their common sense. With 400K starting salary and a decent living style, how much debt you are talking about? 1M or what.
      Dec 3
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Med school also usually means actually doing something emotionally positive helping people, instead of spending a month coding 3 different implementations of a drop down menu because someone with a louder voice doesn’t like rounded corners.
      Dec 3
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Also, she would be able to live anywhere instead of golden handcuffs trap in Bay Area.
      Dec 3
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Also, she won’t get replaced with a younger model once she gets into her 30’s.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
      Geez people. First of all I'm in my early 40s, not tech despite working at Amazon, don't live in the bay area and can probably live anywhere I want. Second, since when is starting pay for a Dr $400k?? Also, I get wanting to help people as opposed to just making money but my sister is a Dr and never got that satisfaction...just long hours away from her family and complaints about insurance companies. Lastly, if we're going pick on someone's comment maybe pick on the person who chose their child's profession for them and not the one who was just stating their opinion.
      Dec 3
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      I don’t have kids😂
      Dec 3
    • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
      And you already picked a gender too! 🤔
      Dec 3
    • Airbnb jim.hodlen
      did I?
      Dec 3
  • Chase KJxA52
    She's either going to a doctor, lawyer, or engineer. That includes software engineering.
    Dec 36
    • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
      What if she wants to be an artist or musician?
      Dec 3
    • Salesforce / Engboohoohooh
      Immigrant spotted.
      Child can be a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer, or a disappointment.
      Dec 3
    • Chase KJxA52
      As boohoohooh said, she'll be a dissapoint
      Dec 3
    • Chase fnWL34
      As a white American, I am pushing my children to be a doctor, lawyer or engineer. If they don't want to do that, they can look at plumbing or electrical infrastructure jobs. Musicians and artists are fine but bills have to be paid.
      Dec 8
    • Apple HeyyyyNo.
      Hey I’m an artist and get along juuuust fine. $$$ There are plenty of great careers out there for creatives in Tech.
      7d
  • Google / Engjigglypoff
    I wouldn't, but it has nothing to do with the environment (that in the current climate is very favorable to women)
    Tech is not going to be tomorrow the golden goose it has been in the past, and unless you really like it badly and independently of the money, it will be a huge disappointment.
    I feel that pimping up tech to women and minorities is a plot to create the next generation of low wage workers
    Dec 32
    • New / Eng95rtpf
      What will be the golden goose?
      Dec 3
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      No idea. Tech for me was not really a choice and back then there were no money either. Pick what you like, worst case you will enjoy your life.
      Dec 4
  • SUSE / ProductFakeProfil
    I don’t have a daughter, but if I did, I would. Already told my son he should go into tech or become a plumber.
    Dec 31
    • Lyft g7f0
      Same job effectively
      Dec 4
  • Facebook / EngfUoU43
    I would ask her to make rich boyfriends and enjoy life!
    Dec 31
    • Intel ""('o')""
      Lol! That would mean she will be powerless and dependent.
      Dec 4
  • Tesla / OtherqfczDfc
    I’d suggest her to pick anything she likes and date a billionaire 😆
    Dec 33
    • Facebook SherylS
      Gold digger!!
      Dec 3
    • Squire Patton Boggs viCP64
      Gross. Sincerely hope you don’t actually have a daughter. WTF.
      Dec 4
    • Facebook SherylS
      You ask WTF @viCP64? Answer: MFF = Money For F*ck
      Dec 4
  • VMware BobbleHat
    Not as a software engineer. And not because she is female. I wouldn’t let
    my children base their future on a profession that will be replaced by millions of Chinese and Indians (in China and India) in the next few decades. I will instead encourage her to learn how to learn, and be ready for whatever is hot when she starts working.
    Dec 32
    • HPE / R&D
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      Software engineer is one of the most flexible careers one can find. You can move to different domains: from fashion to rockets. Most of other degrees will only be valid here. Chinese and Indians aren’t replacing everybody. They won’t replace me, for instance. :)
      Dec 3
    • Intel Ticle
      The field is vast and there will be opportunities for newer stuff that goes away to Indians or Chinese.
      Dec 4
  • Microsoft dyermaker
    This thread is quite revealing. Lots of people saying they would advise girls to stay out of tech. You are the very people who are to blame for the scarcity of women in tech. It's disgusting that you see people as this or that gender rather than this or that kind of professional.
    Dec 54
    • Spotify WizzAir
      It's people's freedom to decide how they want to raise their own kids though.
      Dec 5
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      Why is the scarcity of women in tech a problem at all? I can understand if you mentioned a hostile environment (which imo does not necessarily exist) but the scarcity per se is a problem just as much as the scarcity of male nurses is.
      Dec 5
    • SAP / EngStresssed
      It’s not that we think of people as this gender or that. Simple question: is today’s environment at your workplace something you’d wish on your own child? I don’t love myself as much as I love my nephew. Question is - what kind of a world am I leaving for him?
      Dec 5
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      My current workplace is by far better than anything I can imagine. I feel guilty in even considering it "work" (compared to say, working in a coalmine, construction, law enforcement, or any other real job). I (and my colleagues) make heaps of cash just to press plastic buttons. You need to keep perspective
      Dec 5
  • Capital One not-a-bot
    Another option needs to be "I wouldn't recommend tech to anyone because the field is toxic"
    Dec 30
  • Microsoft cVgW85
    I joined the tech industry directly from a faculty position (non-CS STEM dept). I chose my former career path with full buy-in of the “follow your dreams” mentality: I was interested in the subject and willing to put in long hours at very little pay and essentially nonexistent benefits...until I realized I couldn’t provide a good life for my own children, the only thing that really mattered to me. What I’d tell my own daughter is that I wish I’d seriously considered the importance of compensation/benefits early on, and balanced that against what I found intellectually stimulating. The tech industry is the best of both worlds for me right now but maybe the employment landscape will change in her lifetime.
    Dec 32
    • LinkedIn Pongal
      So true.
      Dec 3
    • Symantec yellow_
      You eloquently stated exactly what I wish someone had communicated to me and what I plan on expressing to my children one day. Thank you.
      Dec 3
  • Google / Eng
    prodaccess

    GoogleEng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    prodaccessmore
    As long as you don't force you children to learn to code before they start kindergarten, as a lot of parents in the Bay area do, you should be fine.

    I want my children to be happy and I try to help them make decisions that, in my view, would increase their chances of being happy without forcing them one way or the other.
    Dec 32
    • New / ITrcafelanrd
      But we force them to learn math, science, history, & reading. And in 20 years, coding is going to be forced.
      Dec 3
    • Tableau Pete@Nerv
      Math and Reading are critical for self learning. The rest is nice but not critical.
      Dec 5
  • eBay drax
    I encourage anyone who displayed an interest. But my daughter isn't going to be a token.
    Dec 30
  • Cisco / Product
    Truthdr9

    CiscoProduct

    PRE
    HPE
    Truthdr9more
    What if she wants to be a stripper !!
    Dec 34
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Swat team bomb squad stripping wires? Nah too dangerous.
      Dec 3
    • Procore / EngLol2018
      No one wants to strip. No upside. Watch the movie “Players Club” with Ice Cube. It will blow your mind. “Make that money, don’t let the money make you”.
      Dec 6
    • Chase fnWL34
      If it pays for her college to be a doctor without student loans, have at it.
      Dec 8
    • Spotify WizzAir
      There was a story exactly like that.
      Dec 8
  • Google / Enggil
    Which field is better for women? Seriously which field? Medical, no. Finance, hell no. Business, no. Retail, no. Marketing, no. Real estate, no. Science, no. Academia, no. Tech has some rotten spots here and there but overall it's much better than so many other fields, for women. I think engineers tend to be nicer than most (as a rational choice not natural empathy), not as likely to be frat boy types, more likely to be inclined towards fairness, more likely to be able to value the principle over the messenger.
    Dec 31
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Agree on most. Especially finance.
      I think kindergarden teachers is not bad.
      Dec 3
  • Juniper UsA51
    Yes...if it's sw otherwise no
    Health care/nursing is better option overall
    Dec 29
    • Google alumnius
      Nursing? Wat?????
      Dec 3
    • Juniper UsA51
      Bsn+ masters make 160k -170k easily
      And that is with 36 he/ week
      Dec 3
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      You're a fucking liar. An NP is at best $105k, average, not starting. CRNA is the only nursing speciality that pays that high and it's not easy. Minimum 6 years of school, plus 1000-1500 hours of postgrad training and all that to start at $160k.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      Glass door is bullshit, and even if it weren't you picked quite literally the highest paying area in the country and were still off by up to $20k. And even then average isn't "easy".
      Dec 3
    • Intel NUea04
      Not really. My friends daughter is a nurse at Stanford. Her manager left for John Hopkins and she was getting well over 200K. Now beat it.
      Dec 3
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      Manager, not nurse you ape. And at a tier 1 medical school.
      Dec 3
    • Juniper UsA51
      @hsl4428q please take your medicine
      Dec 3
    • Amazon hsl44428q
      I'll take my meds, you take a basic math and English skills test and we'll all be better off.
      Dec 4
  • SAP / EngWeasel
    OP
    It’s surprising. Over 2000 responses - some questioning even the grammar of the question - some saying other fields are worse - but not one response on how you’ll change your environment to make it more conducive for your kids.
    Dec 57
    • New / EngTTNT
      And you still don’t have that badge :)
      Dec 5
    • SAP / EngWeasel
      OP
      I know..!! Totally weird- right.!
      Dec 5
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      Why are you assuming that the environment needs to change?
      Dec 5
    • SAP / EngWeasel
      OP
      Google- not assuming - I know it needs to change.
      Dec 5
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      I don't know of a single talented woman who had issues. The problems seems to be with the mediocre ones, and guess what, mediocre male engineers have a hard time gaining respect as well. Disclaimer: my manager is a woman and I have been managed by talented women before.
      Dec 5
    • SAP / EngStresssed
      Google - respect is aplenty. Salary is a different beast.
      Dec 5
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      Look on YT Jordan Peterson discussing the salary gap with a British journalist (tl;dr: gender is a factor but not the biggest one)
      Dec 5
  • Google / EngUUKg61
    No.. not even for my son. I want him to do anything else but IT or Finance. Most pretentious set of people.
    Dec 32
    • Apple HeyyyyNo.
      Agreed
      7d
    • Amazon BeffJeezos
      Right because doctors and lawyers are the epitome of humility? 😂. Hubris and pretentiousness comes with the size of your paycheck.
      3d
  • Google eDJS71
    I would encourage my daughter to pursue whatever she has an interest in. I’d also tell her to avoid being crippled by toxic victimhood and people that tell her it’s hard for 50% of a population to “exist” in an industry this size.
    Dec 31
    • Spotify WizzAir
      In some industries thats just the reality though. No way I will let my daughter do something if she needs to suffer physically.
      Dec 4
  • eBay DXHD74
    The reasons for which people don’t want their daughters to work in tech are far more severe in other industries. Tech has one of the better working cultures.
    Dec 31
  • Salesforce Pdkrhhx
    Here have top tier salary and as long as you are a 5 or hotter be worshipped by a bunch of nerds. Seems like a good deal...
    Dec 30
  • Hootsuite plzkillme
    This is some seriously baity shit. I'd encourage anyone who had an interest in tech. The opposite is encouraging a developer to become a pig farmer, they will likely have no interest and you'll waste your time.
    Just fucking grow up already.
    Dec 30
  • Amazon 12356.$/8/
    Can someone make me a sandwich?
    Dec 30
  • I would tell her to go marry a beta male who can provide for her to get a passion job.
    Dec 30
  • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
    No I wouldn't. I'd advise my daughter to marry someone rich and less attractive. Same advice for my son too. It makes a much easier life than working for a living! Kind of kidding.
    Dec 30
  • Microsoft Azzz
    I’m a woman and both myself and husband are in tech. It’s enough tech here. My daughter should be a doctor.
    Dec 58
    • New / EngTTNT
      Or a model.
      Dec 6
    • Salesforce Pdkrhhx
      My girlfriend is a physician, wishes she was in tech. Medicine sucks as a field now...
      Dec 6
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Pdkr, how so? Why does it suck? Pay is so high.
      Dec 6
    • Salesforce Pdkrhhx
      It isnt anywhere close to tech pay as you get more senior, I make 3x her TC. You also have to add in the extra years of schooling and the loans associated with that schooling. It puts you in a deep hole that you spend your whole life digging out of. You need to be present and on call. There is not a concept of work from home or work remote, because you need to see patients live and in person. This has a big downside when you think about having kids and is always a big hurdle for vacations and weekend trips. It is also emotionally draining, you deal with people many times in the worst situation of their lives and the majority of people are assholes. So you get to be the punching bag no matter what, even when you do everything right, it is only a matter of time before you get sued. Finally, if you make a mistake, even a small mistake we live in a world where that can cost you dearly. I once thought medicine would be a career I would like and after living through it with my girl, I am soo thankful I stayed away.
      Dec 6
    • Spotify WizzAir
      She is not still in residency right? I mean that phase is super tough and makes no money.
      do you think in certain cities, like beverly hills, physicians can have a much better life? I'd imagine the patients are all rich and more sensible?
      Dec 6
    • New 0hedge
      Medicine pays off in your 40s when tech bros are all age discriminated. Medicine has above market wages with AMA building full of lawyers assuring limited labor market. Schooling actually helps in your career.

      Tech labor competes globally so they get below market wages....and schooling doesnt help at all when founder/Ceo is a drop out.
      Dec 6
    • Salesforce Pdkrhhx
      Let me be clear she is still in the top 5% of us earners, but at 32 I probably have about $1.2m higher networth. I will be retired at 40 and she will just be catching up. That to me isnt all that great for being the type of person who was always working the hardest since high school. Medicine is a ‘long game’ and tech is a much shorter game if you play it right.
      Dec 7
    • Microsoft Azzz
      There are many types of doctors, gotta pick the right one like pediatrician or dentist. You don’t burn out and it definitely pays off at your 40s rather than being in tech still fighting for promotions at 50s and could easily get laid off at 55.
      Dec 7
  • Uber ZombieZoo
    If she asks I’ll tell her that it’s boring as hell. Lots of entitled whiners as well.
    Dec 44
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Is it truly boring in uber? I'm Talking to a uber recruiter tomorrow.
      Dec 4
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      I’m doing it for too many years. So it’s not about Uber but IT in general. And no, Uber is the best I worked at.
      Dec 4
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Really? Better than spotify you think?
      Dec 4
    • Uber ZombieZoo
      I didn’t work there. But I like Uber perspectives muuuch more.
      Dec 4
  • I’ve never seen a public poll with this big of a sample here.
    Dec 41
    • SAP / EngWeasel
      OP
      I know. Surprises me too.
      Dec 4
  • Amazon / Other
    Sisko

    AmazonOther

    BIO
    I am in HR
    Siskomore
    No and I wouldn’t advise it for my sons either. Whatever good they would do in tech would be fleeting compared to other pursuits
    Dec 30
  • Fitbit b2bw
    It depends on whether she has an interest or aptitude for something in tech. These days just about anything you could pursue a career in, somehow intersects with tech. So really, depends on what she wants to do! Hard to answer your question without knowing anything about her!
    Dec 30
  • Lyft g7f0
    I'd encourage my daughter by not my son. Not brown enough to be minority male but not white enough to be part of the boys club is the worst part to be in tech these days.
    Dec 411
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Can join baidu, Alibaba, tencent
      Dec 4
    • Lyft g7f0
      Nope. Can't even join the Asian club.
      Dec 4
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      How do you know he won't be gay or trans? (Sorry, but you asked for it)
      Dec 4
    • Spotify WizzAir
      I think he is saying his son doesn't look like he belongs to any group while his daughter probably can fit in some grouop.
      Sometimes siblings can have very difference skin color.
      Dec 4
    • Google / Engjigglypoff
      He is talking about groups he feels are privileged nowadays, not just groups.
      Dec 4
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Oh that makes sense.
      I think he said that because it's easier for daughter to get an offer in tech industry nowadays.
      Dec 4
    • Lyft g7f0
      Offer, promotions, and power of destroying people's career overnight
      Dec 4
    • Spotify WizzAir
      How do you like lyft btw? I am pondering my next move in 2019 when options vest.
      Dec 4
    • Lyft g7f0
      It's as good as any other place
      Dec 4
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Better than uber, or same?
      Dec 4
  • NASA alfeast
    Already did. BTW, she is looking for an internship at NASA. Can anyone help?
    Dec 33
    • Microsoft -/:;()$
      Yeah, call NASA
      Dec 3
    • Uber / Engbag
      In the future, NASA might just become a shell organization which handles assigning Govt money to commercial companies, without doing much on their own.
      Dec 4
    • Apple blindfolde
      Yes, take a look at the Robotics Academy at NASA Ames. It’s perfect for internships — there’s a speaker series for the entire research park that interns can attend and there are also tours of the wind tunnels, fluid mechanics lab, super computing facilities etc on base.
      Dec 6
  • Sephora / PRMilkyWhey
    There’s a lot more to life and being a father than what this question and topic eludes to.

    If as a father if you have been a good one, it won’t matter what your child decides to do with their life, they will be successful at it.

    Start with values, manners, respect, and teach them to never give up. Period. Who gives a shit if it’s tech or sanitation. That’s my plan for my kids. Good luck!
    Dec 32
    • Amazon / Biz DevLITERALLY
      What about sanitation tech? 🤔
      Dec 3
    • Sephora / PRMilkyWhey
      Haha aka green tech
      Dec 3
  • Yelp Doberman
    She can do whatever she is interested in pursuing, but I wouldn’t lead her into tech- there are other more interesting problems to solve.
    Dec 41
    • Spotify WizzAir
      Yeah. Better than Maximizing ad revenue
      Dec 4
  • CDW VQqN03
    Medicine, financial, engineering... Anything that won’t get her into a role that can be replaced via overseas outsourcing.
    Dec 31
    • Chase fnWL34
      Everything and everyone is replaceable.
      Dec 8
  • My wife is near retirement and has never earned LESS than she earns today! Also who knows if software will be important in 15 or 20 years? I already worked at a sexist tech company (we hired literally ZERO caucasian women) where the guys sitting next to me keeled over from a heart attack.

    Tech for Women = Going into Military for Men. So, No.
    Dec 80

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