Wrecked! Facebook's performance review process in the news

Microsoft Arc345
Jan 11 69 Comments

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  • Citibank Ht09q7
    Not sure why this an issue. Huge TC justifies huge expectations. If you want mediocre expectations then work for mediocre pay.
    Jan 11 9
    • Capital One anKfiK8
      We stack rank too and don’t pay anywhere near FB. Same with IBM, etc. It’s an industry wide issue.
      Jan 11
    • New / Eng
      NerfIndian

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      meh.
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      I don't see how TC comes in here. You set some expectations, and then you fire people meeting most of them - shows that either you don't know what 'most' means or you don't know what 'expectation' means.
      Jan 11
    • Capital One whhdhdhe d
      Stack ranking makes more sense and is justified if you are paying a lot of money
      Jan 11
    • Capital One anKfiK8
      @whhdhdhe d it’s still a dumb process no matter what the pay is
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      Meeting most means you're not meeting all. What's unreasonable about firing people who are consistently failing to meet expectations?
      Jan 11
    • Capital One anKfiK8
      It’s dumb when someone has to be thrown under the bus no matter what. You could have a team of 4 equally competent devs but managers are forced to throw them into arbitrary buckets.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      We don't have forced buckets. You don't get a Meets Most if you're meeting expectations.
      Jan 11
    • Capital One anKfiK8
      Oh lol we do
      Jan 11
    • Citibank Ht09q7
      Same here. Forced bell curve. Fucking idiotic and supposedly unethical per the OCC but hey that’s banking for ya.
      Jan 11
  • Amazon
    vmprwrkday

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    I’m just here for the scraps
    vmprwrkdaymore
    If you were to ask me what would happen if you threw a bunch of autistic people with limited self awareness or ethical standards at the annual review process problem, this is pretty much what I would’ve come up with. It’s interesting but far from surprising!
    Jan 11 3
    • New / Sales
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      Jan 11
    • Google Union dues
      Wtf is with Autism ?? Are you claiming majority of tech people are autistic ?
      Jan 11
    • Amazon
      vmprwrkday

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      No, no-one said anything about a majority, and at worst I’m misusing a medical term for pejorative and rhetorical effect.
      Jan 11
  • Facebook Moth
    The article is a straight up lie. There's no stack ranking. It's not a dispute.
    Jan 11 19
    • Microsoft Arc345
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      I am happy to hear of cases that deviate from the media's portrayal of how performance reviews work. Do you think that there's some subjectivity involved too? Maybe you are the type of manager who will take context into account. However, there could also be managers who don't. Think of the manager who comes in with certain biases about certain folks "That person doesn't come to team outings at all....AND he is performing poorly for the second time...I think I am just going to fire him, it's simple and easier then finding out whether something else is wrong and digging deeper".
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      Hopefully our interview process and upward feedback process screens out such managers. We have a much lower margin of error when hiring managers (we won't hire if they'd any doubt) and much lower tolerance of underperformance. But at our size, I won't be surprised if there are some bad ones. Usually your skip and HR are also reviewing everything to understand what's going on.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Arc345
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      Agreed. Also Facebook isn't the only place where this sort of stuff happens. It's just more noticeable because tech companies portray a certain image about themselves (welcoming towards people with all types of ideas, unlimited vacations, free food etc...). This doesn't at all seem like a place where one could get sexually harassed or be shown the door after underperforming for 2 cycles.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Arc345
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      I guess the entire article isn't a straight up lie. It is irresponsible of the article to claim there's stack ranking involved. However, I feel the fear of speaking up, sexual harassment incidents, and strict review systems are widespread.
      Jan 11
    • Dell $-89!?
      Moth from facebook looks like an HR person... i wont join FB even if offered a job without an interview now
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      What's this about sexual harassment? We're not Uber.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      Facebook had a townhall to talk about Joel Kaplan attending the Kavanaugh confirmation. At this townhall, people spoke about sexual harassment they had experienced IN THEIR PREVIOUS LIVES and how that made them upset about any perceived support for Kavanaugh. There's no pervasive sexual harassment at Facebook.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook Moth
      This article is garbage. Please don't use it as a source of facts.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Arc345
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      I admit I misinterpreted it. The article doesn't mention that it was previous experiences. These two lines made it seem like there was an incident at FB: "numerous Facebook employees got in line to speak about their experiences with sexual harassment.' Also the quote where one of the speakers addresses Sheryl and says she felt uncomfortable with speaking up. I will delete my previous comment.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft Arc345
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      This is my last reply. Media are very quick to project negative images about a topic. It is nice to see you defending your employer's processes and highlighting the false parts of this article. I think Facebook should feel really lucky to have you (not saying this to mock you I mean it). With that said, I hope that they return the favour and show the same level of support to you * IF* you're ever in a tough situation at work.
      Jan 12
  • Hitachi Vantara DMT
    FB has zero utility. Drop it and forget it. todays teens do not want anything to do with it either.
    Jan 11 9
    • Facebook ujsX74
      “Zero utility?” You clearly don’t understand how we make our money. 😂😂😂 NEXT.
      Jan 11
    • Hitachi Vantara DMT
      If FB disappeared no one would miss it, kinda of like MySpace.
      Jan 11
    • eBay / Eng
      mDBW53

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      mDBW53more
      You make money by lying to advertisers.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook public2
      People who would miss it: 1) people with friends 2) millions of small business
      Jan 11
    • Sephora mUyy62
      Seriously, dont bother responding to these bitter trolls. Not even sure what hitachi vantara is. Nor do most people care to know another trash company’s business. Sit back and relax while these failures like ebay have layoffs
      Jan 12
    • Facebook public2
      It's not us vs them; I'm happy to teach the basics if people are interested. I know most are trolling and that's ok.
      Jan 12
    • eBay / Eng
      mDBW53

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      eBay provides a social good allowing ordinary people transact with other ordinary people all over the world. Meanwhile Facebook steals your data giving it illegally to others even when you never signed up for them. And they help authoritarian governments suppress their citizens. They are not the good guys by any stretch of the imagination.
      Jan 12
    • Facebook public2
      Curious why you think that? None of that is true. Fb also allows ordinary people to transact, is that the issue?
      Jan 12
    • Sephora mUyy62
      There is zero redeeming factor to ebay. You guys charge immense fees to small sellers with suspect merchant protection and often have counterfeit goods (see giftcards and electronics). Stay at ebay, you deserve each other. Fb on the other hand charges no fees for marketplace and is a safer craigslist.
      Jan 12
  • New / Sales
    Lucifer 💋

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    Most people don’t realize this Facebook is the one company we could all tear down overnight by deleting our accounts. Nobody uses it anymore anyway and even apps like Tinder now let you sign up with your cell phone. It has no revenue with no accounts. And ask yourself: what was the last time instagram and facebook truly made you happy?
    Jan 11 11
    • New / Sales
      Lucifer 💋

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      Instagram and Facebook?
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft somraj
      Yes
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft somraj
      Oops still have whatsapp
      Jan 11
    • New / Sales
      Lucifer 💋

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      Its fine they make no revenue off whatsapp. Lets tear this autistic frog a new one.
      Jan 11
    • eBay / Eng
      mDBW53

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      Problem is it is now just old people. I never got into it even though I signed up in 2004 as one of the earliest members. Now It is literally the only website my parents and half my aunts and uncles use.
      Jan 11
    • Microsoft somraj
      Haha.i hate zuck too. Didn't know I had so much company though
      Jan 11
    • Facebook public2
      No one uses it!? Lol
      Jan 11
    • New / Sales
      Lucifer 💋

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      All the old people will die. All the young people will leave. Facebook is toast in 10 years
      Jan 11
    • Facebook public2
      Til that teenagers are "old" and will soon die. Might as well pack up my desk now.
      Jan 11
    • Sephora mUyy62
      Name checks out - another blind idiot
      Jan 12
  • Microsoft X9pl12
    In a world with finite money there is always a stack rank hiding behind the scenes whether they choose to call it a stack rank or not.
    Jan 11 0
  • Intel Appm$$/
    Whatever they do, it created a $500B company in about 10 years. Others might want to consider emulating it.
    Jan 11 0
  • Amazon okmh
    Not going to apply to FB because of what I keep hearing about it
    Jan 11 2
    • Citibank Ht09q7
      I’m going to apply because of what’s happening.
      Jan 11
    • Facebook public2
      Lol
      Jan 11
  • Microsoft h.a.l.
    Speaking as a shareholder, they need to flog the employees more. Not much different from Microsoft.
    Jan 11 0
  • Northrop Grumman / Eng HowCouldYu
    Does google do this too?
    Jan 11 2
    • Google Noogler69
      I think the basic process is the same, but Google gives out waaay fewer subpar ratings than Facebook
      Jan 11
    • Sephora mUyy62
      What are the google percentages or are you pulling this out of thin air?
      Jan 12
  • Intel / Eng pleb
    What are concrete reasons someone gets the dreaded "meets most" ? Like do they have too many bugs in the code they write ? Or is the code not running fast enough ? Or are they not coding fast enough ?
    Jan 12 3
    • Facebook Moth
      Could be any number of reasons. Could be not doing enough or fast enough, or writing shitty code or being a jerk to those around you or waiting to be told what to do when you’re a senior engineer. Could be some combination of those.
      Jan 12
    • Intel / Eng pleb
      Jerks should be kicked out. No excuse for that. I'm rather trying to gauge the likelyhood of me being fired in a company that fires aggressively. I'm not the smartest or the fastest coder that I know but I've still been fine.
      What's a senior engineer supposed to do ? I suppose there are PMs and stakeholders that tell engineers what they need.
      Jan 12
    • Facebook Moth
      I don’t think there’s an answer I can give you here. I have never considered myself the fastest coder but did well here. Some people who can ace interviews just can’t focus and get work done when they need to.

      The more senior you are, the more we expect from you. For example, while it’s ok for an E3 to say “I built this shitty interface because that’s what the designs said”, that doesn’t cut it as an E5. At E5 you would be expected to realize that something is a bad idea and to say something about it.
      Jan 13

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