Yep, the most serious problem to address in California is lack of health care for illegals! 👌

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Jun 10 96 Comments

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  • Apple industry
    The most serious problem in California are entitled tech folks solving non-existential first world problems, getting way overpaid and driving up cost of living.
    Jun 10 9
    • Amazon broke&dumb
      We've all had the option to change the system for the first time in centuries, 3 years ago with Bernie, and we have that option next year. But we, collectively - including the poor and the victims - keep choosing crony capitalism every 4 years.
      Helping people nowadays is like helping the masochist who keeps cutting himself all the time, and keeps trying to commit suicide all the time. Some day we gotta give up and let them face consequences of their actions.
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft lsj🦀crb
      Let's the (self) flagellation begin! 👌
      Jun 10
    • New / Eng
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      You will be making less if Bernie was president. He is gonna be the tax man which takes all of your income so you become dependent on the government and then some stuff happens and we're overthrowing the government like Venezuela
      Jun 10
    • Amazon broke&dumb
      What I meant was that the poor, who are the majority, could've voted for Bernie and he could've given them everything they genuinely need. But the poor chose to perpetuate crony capitalism instead, they willingly consciously chose a government that benefits the rich by screwing the poor despite having an alternative; thereby shooting themselves in the foot. How am I supposed to have sympathy for people who shoot themselves in the foot over and over again?
      Jun 10
    • New / Eng
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      First, stop liking your own posts. No one liked it "Just now"

      It's call empathy and people usually express it to other people regardless of their views. What you have done is alienate an entire population as ignorant and stupid, whereas some do the same to people who think like you.

      I'm not going to explain why who you're voting for is going to destroy everything you enjoy about America. Thats for you to figure out through understanding history. Just keep in mind it's actually okay to disagree with people and they're not stupid for disagreeing.
      Jun 10
  • Lyft ihb47
    I can’t help but think that my families been in this country for generations fighting every single war. None of us have ever gotten healthcare from the government.
    Jun 10 27
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      The homelessness problem is not about housing Ellis. It’s about drugs and mental illness. Watch the documentary “Seattle is Dying.”
      Jun 11
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      They're pretty set in their beliefs. Move goal posts and deflect rinse repeat and you have the platform for one of the weakest arguments on blind.
      Jun 11
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Lol, yeah statistics don’t back that claim up at all. Most homeless are temporary homeless, most live in cars, and substance abuse is less a driving factor than eviction, bankruptcy, job loss, divorce or teenage kids being kicked out of their house.

      The smaller percentage of chronic homeless tend to have physical and emotional or mental health issues that prevent them from holding steady work.

      These are certainty factors in homelessness, but not the top drivers.
      Jun 11
    • Salesforce icedcoffee
      And most of those people sink into drug abuse. People do not have the right to live in a city that they can’t afford. The city can provide housing, but not to the detriment of the rest of the city’s residents.
      Jun 11
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      All I'm saying is generally you show a lack of actual understanding of what you talk about and point to numbers which can say two things.

      Really, educate yourself on statistics and learn how you can spin statistics to almost saw whatever you want.

      All you really say is that America needs to financially bankroll anyone who wants to be here, let anyone live anywhere they want despite whether they can afford it. Get free healthcare, mind you have never mentioned "quality" healthcare, get free income. They're incompatible be with reality.
      Jun 11
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    illegals are more important than legals.
    Jun 10 5
    • Facebook public2
      They definatley work harder and provide more to the economy so maybe...
      Jun 10
    • Illegals provide more to the economy than legals

      Citation needed
      Jun 10
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      Nationally they cost us over $100b, why exactly do we want illegal immigration?
      Jun 10
    • Google wHtB0a
      This is just CA's way of socializing the hidden costs of its illegal alien workers.

      It's an open secret that progressive CA's ag industry is built on top of unsustainable water usage and unsustainable labor practices.
      Jun 10
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      I don't doubt that, it's a dessert
      Jun 10
  • Uber / Eng ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
    It’s probably much cheaper than having them go to the ER for every ailment.
    Jun 10 5
    • Amazon broke&dumb
      But not cheaper than deporting.
      Jun 10
    • New / Finance MWSt70
      By that logic why not give Medi-cal to every single US citizen that is currently uninsured?
      Jun 10
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      I'd be more for that than illegals. Why are the illegals getting taken care of but not our own citizens, wtf?
      Jun 10
    • Uber / Eng ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
      Article says that all low income adults between 19 and 25 are eligible.
      Jun 10
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      Should still require you be a legal citizen...
      Jun 10
  • Google / Eng
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    The undocumented immigrant part of the bill only applies to people between 19-25 who are in poverty. And even then, the benefit is $100 towards their medical insurance premiums.

    If this still outrages you, please know that many of these undocumented people are workers who provide the labor to bring California’s fresh produce to your grocery stores and restaurant tables.

    I’m glad California is taking care of its hardest-working and foundational workers that keep our society functioning.
    Jun 10 5
    • Lyft ihb47
      How are people that broke our laws to be here the foundation of our society? I mean you might be true and it might reveal how deeply hypocritical the current state of affairs are
      Jun 10
    • New / Finance MWSt70
      Wrong, you are confusing two different programs. The free medi-cal costs way over $100 a month.

      The “$100 towards their medical insurance premiums” is a separate program for people buying their own insurance.
      Jun 10
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      @Lyft How are they the foundation of our society? Two ways:
      1. Many do the agriculture work necessary to sustain our standard of living and access to fresh food.
      2. Undocumented immigrants are quite literally the foundation of our country. Like, the founding fathers. All immigrants from England. Looking for a better life and a better future for their children and their children’s children in a different place. Sound familiar?
      Jun 10
    • Lyft ihb47
      Dude what are we even talking about when we say foundational? I was trying to poke at how absurd the whole concept is. No idea what your rambling about
      Jun 10
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      Leave it to Google to have the most inconsistent, unrealistic, and ungrounded view of the nation.

      I wouldn't equate the illegals to our founding fathers, considering they wrote the Constitution and were pretty concerned with, I don't know, following the law of the land? I've heard they wrote a relatively successful government system.

      Keep trying to rewrite history Google! We love what you're doing with YouTube, Search, News, Images, and especially Chrome.

      I honestly wouldn't trust anyone who works at Google to have the nation's best interest in mind when the company spends the most on lobbying
      Jun 10
  • Lyft ihb47
    If we want to provide healthcare, why can’t we have universal healthcare for citizens as well?

    And if we want immigration why can’t we just lay out the policy we want enforce that?

    The issue isn’t about being bigoted or not. or pro immigration versus not. The current state of affairs is a hypocrisy that was established undemocratically.
    Jun 10 6
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Yup the priorities are charter schools and tax incentives for corporations and big developers. Pathetic.
      Jun 10
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D %)
      This is more of a later discission, but tax cuts for corporations were inevitable given how things have been in Europe and elsewhere. Any 'sane' democratic president would eventually agree to sign on that bill too.

      How do you even begin to rationalize subsidizing those who broke the law to come here at the first place when there are lots of issues everyday Californians face lthat have not been funded? I will like to know if this bill was not sponsored by gig economy corporations and big farmers to get cheaper labor.
      Jun 10
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      If there was any corporate push behind it, it would likely be health insurance.

      How do I justify..? I worked for years with immigrant coworkers and some of them were undocumented. I have also lived in communities where some people were likely undocumented immigrants.

      The reasons liberal California politicians have cut services or partially privatized them is ideological, not due to undocumented immigrants.
      Jun 10
    • Gilead Sciences / R&D %)
      And you don't think creating a supply of cheap labor by covering them at taxpayers' expense is in the interest of corporations and big farms?

      And you still have not answered my question. Why should someone who callously broke the laws of this country be a priority at all when a good number of Californians (especially those living in rural part of the state) don't have access to good healthcare, terrible public transit system, bridges all over that are falling apart, and a massive housing crisis in big cities.

      Finally, I am sorry to pop your bubble, but California government is the one of the most corrupt and inefficient in the country. Texas does not even have a state income tax, yet has better infrastructure all around. And you don't have to wait 2 months to get a DMV appointment in TX -- you can pretty much walk in to any location and get your license within an hour. How are they able to serve their middle class well but CA is not despite increasing taxes several times over the past 2 decades? Sure TX has its own issues, but their state is run very well by republicans.
      Jun 10
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      “And you don't think creating a supply of cheap labor by covering them at taxpayers' expense is in the interest of corporations and big farms?”

      Is 100 dollars to pay a portion of health insurance costs is hardly “covering them”.

      But yes, business wants cheap labor. But most big companies don’t hire undocumented workers directly.

      Outside of seasonal farm labor, generally only contractors and smaller companies do... and if they do it intentionally to drive down wages, then it’s only immigration laws and repression that helps those employers to keep workers scared enough to accept lower than standard wages or bad working conditions.

      As for agriculture industry... they say that Trump’s policies will hurt their labor supply... but they still overwhelmingly support Trump as well as tougher immigration policy. Farmer groups are instead pushing for their own legislation to address labor shortages.

      https://www.dairyherd.com/article/trump-brings-border-wall-fight-afbf-promises-ag-labor-solution

      This may seem counter-intuitive from your perspective, but historically immigrant-heavy industries have backed repressive measures against immigrants. It creates a lower-tier of the workforce.

      Your question: I think that poor rural areas should be invested in... to do that would also mean services for the large migrant population - maybe half of which are undocumented immigrants - either residents or people who seasonally cross the border to chase the available ag work. Of course hill areas and neglected urban areas should also be reinvested in.

      Why would I consider this beneficial? Because the more that the standard is decent paying jobs and job conditions that can support someone, the better it is for all wage earners because people aren’t taking jobs with crappy conditions just because they need to have healthcare or afford rent or are afraid of being deported.

      Popping bubbles: I’ve lived in the Bay Area most my life and California all my life. Liberals run this state like Republicans, but with more PC language. California has decades of austerity for public schools and is the national capital for school privatization/characterization; liberals built the largest prison system and death row in the country; liberals oversaw the most brutal police forces of the war on drugs era.

      The liberal regime of the California Democratic Party today is not the quasi social democratic liberalism of the post-war decades that built subways and freeways, affordable housing and and infrastructure. It’s neoliberal and shares the same assumptions as most Republicans.
      Jun 10
  • Google wHtB0a
    CA is going to learn the hard way that a welfare state and a large, imported underclass do not mix.
    Jun 10 10
    • Citadel senortrump
      Class mobility in Europe is a joke. Everyone is uniformly low income compared to the US that even making extra $10k per year move you up a quintile, hence “mobility”.
      Jun 10
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      Pretty sure they're just a troll at this point. They provide no convincing arguments and are blatantly biased
      Jun 10
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      Statistics are fun! As someone explained if you increase your wealth by 1% and that pushes you up 20% then it just means you aren't as poor, but still poor. Funny enough the taxes would probably eventually target that group and cause their overall wealth to even out with everyone else over time.

      I think wealth fluctuations aren't necessarily a good thing, just because you can go up quickly may also mean that it's easy to go right back down.

      You're arguing for your own policies that we just plainly disagree with in principle and when you try to find reasons to support yourself they're very weak.

      Why wouldn't the statistics of your own survey tell you the story that everyone is actually relatively poor? Increasing your wealth even slightly means you have a great change in economic stance, if everyone had the equal opportunity to achieve that it would mean your change in wealth wouldn't be possible because everyone would be growing. Since that isn't the case with your proposal its a very weak economy where wealth is gained and lost quickly. Rather than having a reliable expectation of your wealth if you decide to stagnate in your career and stop progressing.
      Jun 11
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      What do you mean “everyone is relatively poor” when the examples were UK, France, and Sweden? Are you seriously arguing that a 1% wage increase in the UK would move someone up a whole quintile? Did d you mean there is less wage disparity in these countries? That is true but post-recession it’s been increasing rapidly in most of Europe.

      Also what policy are you talking about. I’m not advocating anything, just pointing out how the arguments here are based on civic myths and full of hot air.
      Jun 11
  • No one cares about legal immigrants who is paying 25-30% in tax. Please reform the GC policy, we don’t need anything free, we want what we deserve.
    Jun 10 5
    • Lyft ihb47
      Fair point. What do you think about trumps immigration proposal for legal immigration reform?
      Jun 10
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      That it's merit based instead of the lottery?

      Everyone who I've talked to who isn't a citizen loves it, they know their skills are now valuable compared to the unskilled labor of the majority of illegals
      Jun 10
    • Lyft ihb47
      Yeah it is just very confusing, It’s from Trump so I’m told to think that it must be racist, on the other hand it’s based on Canada’s laws which is a very woke place
      Jun 10
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      That's why thinking for yourself rather than relying on group think is so vital. The orange man bad hit piece isn't really that much of a parody...
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft lsj🦀crb
      The "Orange Man Bad" mantra still keeps about 30% of the country drooling with hate and rage. I feel sorry for them, but it has been a powerful stunt to diminish the impact of his presidency.
      Jun 10
  • Microsoft tfsUEwWt
    California is governed by idiots.
    Jun 10 3
    • Lyft ihb47
      Give this man a prize
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft lsj🦀crb
      What does it tell us about the voters? 😂
      Jun 10
    • Lyft ihb47
      That they have the second to lowest IQ on average of all 50 states.
      Jun 10
  • Moar taxes!
    Jun 10 0
  • Marvell cpuaddict
    cut your nose to spite your face
    Jun 10 0
  • Netflix ye651t
    I thought this was only for undocumented children. Fox seems to imply it’s for adults too, which I’m not sure is correct.

    Either way, we’re sort of paying for it anyways. People just show up at the ER, which is the most expensive place to provide healthcare. We indirectly pay for this cost with higher costs by the hospital to cover the lost income from ungarnished ER care. This was the fundamental solution with Romney Care, which was hailed as the model for healthcare in the country by the conservative heritage foundation.

    Sooner we move to single payer, the better.
    Jun 10 3
    • Microsoft lsj🦀crb
      Oh I hope California moves to single payer. I hope also there is no alternative to the single payer, Canadian style, so that all the smart asses, including the very rich, can wake up and experience the nightmare they cooked.👌
      Jun 10
    • Netflix beer-m8
      Cool story, Microsoftie.
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft lsj🦀crb
      Real life experience from shithole Western countries. Keep sipping the Kool-Aid! 👌
      Jun 10
  • Microsoft pJcW86
    Foxnews
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  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Title says “full health benefits”. Body says $100/month costing the state $98M out of a $213B budget.

    Based on the budget expenditure, this obviously isn’t the most serious problem, the legislature can multitask, as evidenced by the other items in the budget.

    This is just Fox News trying to manufacture an issue.
    Jun 10 0
  • Walmart.com / Eng QXHR44
    Fox News? Lol OP missed the memo that they're a propaganda machine.
    Jun 10 0
  • Amazon jtGV66
    Might be a trap to get them documented
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      Delightfully evil if true.
      Jun 10
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Lol at the corporate geniuses who want to eat food prepared by people who can’t afford, or are prevented from, going to the doctor. Own those libs mucus eaters!

    Medical for buying bottom of the barrel insurance is a pittance. There should be full universal healthcare, not Obama/Romney private insurance scams—and it should be available to any person working or living here (tourists should be treated, but their country’s national healthcare or insurance can reimburse.)
    Jun 10 0