Office Life

Yet another rant

Microsoft SwitchJobs
Dec 6

As a fresher, joined M$ with expectations to work on latest tech. Work is shit in my org. But didn't quit till now thinking that quitting so early won't be good on resume. It'll take me 6 months prep to get in FNGs. So can't switch immediately even if I wish to.

I have done impactful work and 2 off the sprint projects till now. I have contributed equally to what a SDE2(I am SDE1) does in my org. I feel my manager doesn't value my work. My manager doesn't even listen to what the team is saying but just wants the team to do what he wants.

Folks who joined with me got promoted in a year but I didn't. Without any bias, I and my colleagues believe that I outperformed them but I didn't get promo. For me to get a promo, my manager is expecting me to work again on an off the sprint project. But still he doesn't guarantee my promo. Off the sprint project again means no time for interview prep on weekends as well.

Now I feel like I don't have much life. I never had a vacation like other people do, except the ones which I have to visit my family at hometown. I never watched series and movies like other people do. I am thinking to tell my manager that it's okay if I don't get a promo but I won't work again on an off the sprint project. But don't have the guts to speak so, till I have an offer elsewhere.

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  • As a fresher you should be focused on learning. Shut up and get back to work. Don’t be a rat in the race of getting promotions. Work hard, learn and grow.
    Dec 61
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      I agree. I never had a thought of promo till all my frnz got it and not me. I am still okay with no promo but the worst part is I just get a feel of being used up and burnt out for not so exciting work.
      Dec 6
  • Northrop Grumman iCallBS
    These two comments by @Bootlegger and @O(1) literally embody the clash between generations inside all corporations.

    Millennials: live now, be valued early on, and do fulfilling work, enjoying life is the highest priority.

    Gen X, Baby boomers: work hard, learn your craft, don’t complain, be a team player, one day be the smartest in the room.

    I’m a millennial so I subscribe to the former, sorry old timers. Not gunna waste my time doing something I had just because it’s what I’m ‘supposed to do’. (Not ragging on anyone here).

    Find your calling OP, I wouldn’t spend a second doing shit off the sprint. If they aren’t paying you, don’t do it. Move onto the next but keep in mind learning should be the highest priority (i.e. learn stuff outside of work/off the sprint lol)
    Dec 63
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      LaLaLoopsomore
      Way to oversimplify generational differences. Such a Millennial.
      Dec 6
    • Northrop Grumman iCallBS
      lol no u
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yeah.. agree with you @iCallBS. Am a millennial too. While all this shit show was going on, I always spent an extra hour to keep up with my learnings. In after office hours, I have developed skills + certification in specialized areas so that has left me with no regrets.
      Dec 6
  • Symantec O (1)
    Welcome to corporate grind. There's always a company that values your work & rewards fairly. Find one such & get out asap
    Dec 61
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yes .. started the prep. Shooting for Google .. okay even if I land on Amazon or Uber. At least I am enjoying the process of preparation.
      Dec 6
  • Stripe / EngSomeDud
    To me, it just sounds that you’ve not been doing the work you were asked to do. If it’s the case, you did not “outperform” anybody.
    Your manager has been in the game longer than you’ve been. They are most likely able to recognize impactful work. If you don’t agree with their vision/plan/goals (definition of what is impactful) you should open a dialogue with them. If you still don’t get their point of view or agree with it, find something else.

    You will only be able to get “impactful” work done and be an great team member by understanding the team, the business and by agreeing on the priorities and goals.

    I’d like to get your thoughts on that.
    (Millennial speaking)
    Dec 61
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      I have biweekly 1:1 with my mgr during which I ask him what work he expects from me before next 1:1.. Not a single time I have missed the target..

      Just to speak.. none from my org, who joined with me, has got a promo yet.. all my frnz who got a promo are in various orgs..

      I get your point but yeah.. I've really outperformed.. in fact after knowing about my performance, another M2 wants me on his team..

      If not for the promo I've gained valuable skills rapidly over time .. some managers from our org agreed that I should have got the promo but for the budget crunch..
      Dec 6
  • Microsoft Blare
    OP, sometimes people don’t get promoted due to budget and other reasons. I think you should pursue your promo and prep for your interviews - do both as much as possible. I’m in a similar boat, and I’m trying to do both now.
    Dec 66
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Right.. if I don't get mid year promo in March and don't get Google, I'll switch internally.
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft Blare
      Good luck!
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Thanks :) you said you are in a similar boat.. what is the scene for your promo? Where do you wish to work next? How is your prep going?
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft Blare
      I missed my promo due to a reorg. I’m expecting a principal promo by the end of this year. I’m prepping for Google as well. Amazon and FB does not have a good culture.
      Dec 7
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Good luck 👍
      Dec 7
    • Microsoft Blare
      Thanks!
      Dec 7
  • Microsoft Blare
    Why are you not able to watch a movie or go on vacations? A 2 week vacation in Europe or any of your choice destination generally will refresh you like anything
    Dec 65
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yeah.. As you speak of Europe, I am going to try for Google Zurich
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft Blare
      Just go on vacation. Life is not just about promo and getting a new job. Take a break during the holidays and travel somewhere with someone! You will feel way better about everything and will be more refreshed when you are back!
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Right .. every time I am like 'let me achieve one more goal and then I'll enjoy' .. which never happens. But this time for sure I'll switch company in March, whichever company I can clear interviews for, and then enjoy my life for 3 - 4 years.
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft Blare
      I think you are exactly like how I used to be. I always focused on my work, promo and postponed other things. I also really enjoyed working so I didn’t really think I was missing anything. It took me a long time to realize that taking a 1 week or 2 week pause would not really impact anything. In fact, several things are beyond our control and your career may sometimes not progress the way you want, no matter how well you do. So, focus on the long term because if you really do well, you will be a success long term. You just have to learn how to not get disappointed when the short term problems happen. I used to get super disappointed but then I developed a more holistic approach to life. Enjoy your life no matter what and then work on getting what you want in your career as well.
      Dec 7
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Wow!.. our thoughts match very well on this..Thanks for the guidance!
      Dec 7
  • Oracle Parx
    Can you switch teams?
    Dec 63
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yes .. but will ethically have to wait in new team for one year and can't quit. And we don't get a raise or promo during internal switch. That will probably reset my impact so far and will have to again prove my impact to new manager.
      Dec 6
    • Oracle Parx
      Just go full throttle on your interview prep. and quit eventually. Waiting for this is not worth the agony.
      Dec 6
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yeah.. if time comes, I'll quit job.. prep for a month and clear the interviews. Am confident enough.
      Dec 6
  • Microsoft JNtC47
    You should not shy away from asking your manager where she thinks you did not perform as well as she expected. There appears to be a conflict between you and your manager around the expectations. This is an important skill to acquire, there will always be such cases where you need to ask directly and not shy away from such discussions.

    Also remember that 6 months of prep by no means guarantees an offer given how random interviews are.
    Dec 61
    • Microsoft SwitchJobs
      OP
      Yeah I talk with my mgr in my 1:1 regarding how do I grow..

      And 6 months is a big time...G, A, A, LI, U are the companies I would attempt interviews..Hope atleast 1 to clear..
      Dec 6
  • New 0hedge
    I need to hire that manager that made you work weekend hours for free...
    Dec 60

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