PoliticsApr 5, 2019
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Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

Britain doesn't have "Medicare for All." They have National Health Care. There's a difference. Also, the conservative government has been starving it of resources, so of course there have been problems. Claims that it's "collapsing," though, are bullshit.

Oracle alwzangry Apr 5, 2019

Starving of resources can never happen at any other time or place why?

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

Now if I had actually said something like that, you might have a point. I didn't. And you dont.

Microsoft jdjfjfcj Apr 5, 2019

One country's implementation. Remember that every western country has universal healthcare. Only the US doesn't. This is stupid fear mongering. Now let's compare to the completely dysfunctional US system where people go bankrupt for getting cancer, drug prices are unregulated and often cost multiples higher than other countries, and a single visit to the ER results in a several thousand dollar bill. Cmon. Think it's that fabulous here?

Wayfair jwxs26 Apr 5, 2019

Remember that people from most of these nations come to the US for healthcare. I see foreign nationals frequently at MGH.

Apple ijyA68 Apr 5, 2019

Drug prices should not be centrally planned.

Oracle alwzangry Apr 5, 2019

The fix needed is in reducing cost of drugs, treatment, and medical staff's ongoing training and eliminate insurance of any kind. That would bring down costs well below insurance premiums or tax. Disallow marketing, advertising, and soliciting by medical and pharmaceutical industry. That would go a long way and eliminate the middleman. (Edited: + eliminate insurance explicitly stated)

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

That's trivially true and completely unhelpful. "The fix for higher prices is to have lower prices." Duh.

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

As for the marketing, just how are you proposing to get around the First Amendment?

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

The number of people leaving the US for treatment exceeds the number of people incoming by a factor of 10. It's a myth that our health care is so much better than anyone else's. There are some select areas where the US is genuinely in the lead but when we can't even provide the basics to tens of millions of people, I don't think we have that much to brag about. Every other major industrialized nation pays less, covers more, and has outcomes that are just as good.

Apple ijyA68 Apr 5, 2019

Health care is a service, not a right.

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

That's an opinion, not a fact. But even if you think that, you still should be for massive change, since we're spending so much more and getting so much less than the others like us. Health care was considered a "crisis" when it consumed 12% of our GDP 40 years ago. Well now it's nearly 18% and projected to climb to over 20%. That's not sustainable.

Intel phdsbn Apr 5, 2019

The government has no incentive to provide efficient, customer-friendly services.

Tableau Ydobon Apr 5, 2019

Neither do insurance companies.

Intel phdsbn Apr 5, 2019

Sure they do - going to a different insurance company.

Square ☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️ Apr 5, 2019

You’re going to lose all your hard earned TC when you have a serious encounter with illness later in life, or you have to support someone else who does in the US

Oath Atinlay2 OP Apr 5, 2019

It’s better than dying while on the waiting list.

Square ☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️ Apr 5, 2019

Check out life expectancy in the US vs elsewhere and get back to me on that

Google d8kAne Apr 5, 2019

America spends more on primary education per student than most OECD countries and yet the kids here still lag behind. You don't have to look across the atlantic to see that Medicare for All is going to be a cash filled dumpster fire 😂

OpenTable Meliodas Apr 5, 2019

Overseas solutions don’t scale.

Tableau Ydobon Apr 7, 2019

Actually Medicare is anything but a "cash filled dumpster fire," given that it out-performs the private alternatives. There is no reason to believe that Medicare for All would be any different. And yes, of course, the universal solutions scale. Duh.

Amazon Coatl Apr 5, 2019

I am very glad I was diagnosed with cancer and treated when I was working in Mexico, I'd be terribly afraid of the cost of that had happened after I started working in the US. I think, good private hospitals in Mexico are not only cheaper but provide better care than average hospitals in the US and private insurance is more accessible.

Oath Atinlay2 OP Apr 5, 2019

But you don’t know how it would have turned out in the US to compare.

Amazon Coatl Apr 5, 2019

That's true, but the fact that I'm terrified of the expenses for what I do have lived of the healthcare experience in the US (even though I have access to a better insurance and paycheck than the average american has), speaks by itself. Don't you think?

OpenTable Meliodas Apr 5, 2019

What will all these other countries do when Americans stop subsidizing their medical care? It’s like airplane tickets, the full fare passengers subsidize the discount fares. If all that was offered was the discount fare, the flight wouldn’t be profitable and would get cancelled.

Square ☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️ Apr 5, 2019

What are you 🚬?

OpenTable Meliodas Apr 5, 2019

Americans fund the vast majority of medical research on this planet. How will the free-rider problem be addressed?

Apple castigator Apr 5, 2019

As prices are set today in healthcare, considering all stakeholders, US would go straight into bankruptcy in 6 months if they where to enact universal healthcare. Consider that US everything is for huge profit, all those stakeholders would milk the taxpayers to the last cent. Until the relationship between taxpayers and corporations don’t change I would implement it. Change the rules of the game than we should reconsider