You will not succeed depending on where you are from. No companies are hiring even slightly fairly.

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Dec 1, 2018 61 Comments

How lucky do people have to get?

I've applied to tens of dozens of places for software engineering. Was told bad practices in the beginning, like "Oh, it's your thought process that matters and that you write up the gist of the question." Come to find out that there are 20 categories of algorithm questions that you have to know near perfectly, AND that you're expected to solve MULTIPLE problems during one session. AND you'll need some extensive system hardware knowledge that you need to know somehow. But then I either get told nothing, or I get told "Oh! Thank you! You did fantastic! But we're so sorry. You will surely succeed with that 4 YoE that you have" and other useless advice from paid professionals.

Then I take notes and code dozens of problems while watching Byte By Byte, Tushar Roy, Kumar, YK Sugi, and numerous others. Then I do several mock interviews, after a while, they recommend me to do real phone screens, and then BOOM! New type of problem! And then I don't even get the same recognition and notice that other people get who are living in the right states or who made it to the right schools and were invited to the right conferences and got the right contacts. The few connections that I were able to work strenuously to find are in different and higher fields now.

Then, on the of chance that I DO demonstrate the knowledge at a critical speed and the interviewer IS convinced to forward up strongly positive feedback, I get ghosted! If you're not a member of the elite groups, you're sent to the back burner to be boiled dry. After a certain point, there's nothing you can do and no one you can turn to. Doesn't matter how growth-minded you are. No matter how creative and ingenious you get and no matter how much of your heart you pour into building and mastering this craft, you will get nowhere.

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  • It sounds to me that you are upset that you are not asked problems you have seen before in your interviews.

    It's not about knowing the answer. It's about solving a problem even if you haven't seen it before and how you think about it.

    I also refuse to believe that if you have seen 17 types of problems and get thrown off if you see a new 18th type. If you know how to solve problems then you will apply what you learned from the first 17 to solve the 18th.

    Again, it's about knowing how to figure out answers not having them already memorized.
    Dec 1, 2018 3
    • Vertivco / R&D
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      People tell me that I'm golden for implementing Dijkstra's algorithm in a linked list format. Then someone from Uber asks to code an implementation an algorithm to get rid of N nodes that are connected to malware and save the max number of nodes. Explained some of the algorithm and talked a lot about trade-offs...
      And then I hear that others are just asked to find string permutations. Mama bullshit.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Microsoft LatinaLaLa
      Sounds like they just don’t like you
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Vertivco / R&D
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      Vertivco R&D

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      That was the whole damn point. Doesn't matter what your charisma or technical depth are. If you're from a broken background, it's like throwing yourself into a wishing well. Nothing happens. No wonder so many people sell drugs.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • So are you saying that life is not fair
    Dec 1, 2018 4
    • Vertivco / Eng
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      Vertivco Eng

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      What are you going to do about it? Nothing?
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Something besides whine about it on Blind?
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Vertivco / R&D
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      These tech companies like Twitter and Stripe say that they're completely fair, they're helping the poor, and they're really hiring disparaged people, more so than the banking sector, etc. But the facts show that this is incorrect.
      Dec 2, 2018
    • Did you believe all of that?
      Dec 2, 2018
  • Reddit 5‘6 Indian
    Study harder on the leetcode
    Dec 1, 2018 2
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      Someone solved 452 problems so far, but boy, if they just get to 453, whoo! That's when the difference hits! NOT!
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Amazon JfTvJcXqW
      I mean, solving 452 easys probably won't help....

      In seriousness, if you have solved 400+ leetcode questions, of considerable difficulty, and still having trouble solving the interview questions, perhaps you need to revisit approaching problems.
      Dec 3, 2018
  • Amazon Chad_
    You sound like a ❄️. I went to a bad school for computer science and had no contacts from school at good companies. It’s not where you came from it’s what you can do and it sounds like you have a terrible attitude towards this. You should get laid and relax
    Dec 1, 2018 3
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      Oh really? -______- . -______-
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Amazon Chad_
      Yes seriously get laid OP. You need it
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng L6SDE
      I did not even go to school dude. Try again.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • Google / Eng Pfjhebs
    Are you expecting to see problems you’ve already seen before at interviews? Just from that I know you wouldn’t make it. You should be confident in solving unknown problems.

    Also, if you’re in the US and want to become a good SWE there is no hard barrier for anyone (short of mental handicap or something which OP does not fall under).
    Dec 1, 2018 3
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      It's not a hard barrier because you can't see it.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng Pfjhebs
      I assure you that is not the case. You have a bad attitude and no drive. Work harder and you’ll see it’s possible.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Vertivco / R&D
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      Hard work only helps the right people. If you're not part of the establishment, then when you do succeed expectations, "Oh, the team has selected other individuals at this time..." always a moving goalpost.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • Netflix / Eng
    LukeCaged

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    Lol just keep trying
    Dec 1, 2018 2
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      How the fuck is this horrifying reality funny? Because you've been part of the elite holding the competent poor down. Repressing people.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Facebook Whateverrs
      It's funny because your conspiracy theory approach to complaining is ridiculous. Do more leetcoding. Plenty of us failed multiple rounds of faang interviews before doing enough leetcoding or building up enough experience to get in. Plenty of us went to crappy schools or never went to school.

      If you had some new optimal way to filter the high performing swes from the just OK ones, you could build a startup or recruitment firm that would blow everyone out of the water. It's a hard problem and every company does the best they can. What they look for is pretty consistent, you can learn it, you will get better at it with real world experience, leetcoding helps a lot. There is certainly an element of luck.

      Or maybe you're just bad/lazy and looking for excuses.

      Top swe jobs pay a lot. You see the tc numbers here. Normal jobs that the majority of the population work don't pay half or even a quarter of these incomes, even in high cost areas. When you're competing for the top jobs and don't get it, it doesn't mean "reality is horrifying." it means you didn't win yet.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • Amazon VpYJ78
    Stop trying to impress other people by memorizing answers to problems with no business value and build your own shit. Even if it doesn't make money, it's a nice portfolio piece. Showing people what you can build by yourself from scratch says a lot more about you than being good at canned tests.

    Note: does not apply to Google; they value academics above solving business needs, which partially explains why GCP market share is so far behind AWS and Azure.
    Dec 1, 2018 2
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      That sounds pretty awesome!

      But when the hell does anybody review your fucking source code for a great project? All they do is nod their fucking head. Just look at Max Howell. They used his software. Then they laughed at him.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Amazon VpYJ78
      Max Howell is employed, just not at Google. If you're fixated on Google, that's on you
      Dec 2, 2018
  • Ness Technologies FkTrump
    Lol dude don’t have to be in the rat race all the time. Enjoy life
    Dec 1, 2018 2
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      You have to earn money somehow...
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Ness Technologies FkTrump
      You are already earning! All you need is a clear career path and work toward it
      Dec 1, 2018
  • Google / Eng UUKg61
    People who say “Everyone said you did good” and then not hire, please let me know one thing. Would it be good if the interviewer told you “You fucked badly in interviews and so you get lost” would it help?

    HR and recruiters tend to soften the message for good reasons and to keep you motivated. Don’t listen to that part. That is immaterial. What matters is the outcome. If they have decided to ghost you or reject you, it simply means they got someone who appeared to be better than you.

    Stop whining. World is not a fair place. World does not care what you know or not. Every selection process is rigged and can be gamed. Asking system design or no coding questions is not the solution. Why do you think there would be no designcode.com when such questions become mainstream?

    Stop whinning and go back to leetcoding. 20 is a very low number. I would say there are atleast 200 categories of algorithmic questions.
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  • Microsoft DOyu71
    A lot of it is a crapshoot. You just have to keep plugging away or be content at vertivco I guess.
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    • Amazon msfter8
      What company u got rejected?
      Dec 3, 2018
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      Google, Uber (3), Infosys, NetApp, Vimeo, Facebook, Lyft (gone after introductory call), Pinterest, Yelp, JP Morgan, Bloomberg, Square, Amazon (soft), LinkedIn (soft), and Twilio (soft - bugged HackerRank). Might be some more that I can't remember. Those are all the ones I've done the tests/screens/few on-sites with.
      Dec 3, 2018
    • Amazon msfter8
      What do u mean by soft? Atleast be happy ur currently employed. Maybe life has something else fo u in store
      Dec 3, 2018
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      I'm not. ($0 per hour.)
      Dec 3, 2018
    • Amazon msfter8
      Everybody can get employed somewhere with a basic skill set and a decent personality.
      Dec 3, 2018
  • Target / Eng .¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Coming from the Blind Troll. Karma brother.
    Dec 1, 2018 4
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      I don't have a brother anymore.
      Dec 1, 2018
    • Amazon / Mgmt KYuG83
      My brother died
      Dec 1, 2018
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      I am sorry for your loss
      Dec 1, 2018
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      Thank you for that.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • Microsoft LatinaLaLa
    Leetcode interviews are stupid. On that everyone with the ability to come up with independent thoughts can agree. But tech doesn’t give a shit what school you came from and it operates less on the buddy system than, for example, finance. School and connections might get you interviews but won’t get you hired. So many in Silicon Valley did not go to good schools or grow up with tech connections or taught themselves and worked their way up. Have you ever thought that YOU are the recurring common element in all these failed interviews. It doesn’t sound like it has anything to do with your coding interview prep. You honestly sound unlikeable and if no one likes you they won’t want to work with you and hire you.
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      You are part of the problem. They've told me my communication was great and I'd be a great team member. They liked my projects and my startup. They just like to psychologically screw with people who come from backgrounds that they know are disparate but they think it's funny.

      They talk like they are pulling any talent they can up out of poverty. But they're not. Maybe one or two people. But they're saying all that to look good, when in reality, they get off on that.

      Continue saying that behind your comfortable windows at Microsoft.
      Dec 2, 2018
    • Microsoft LatinaLaLa
      They might have said that but at the end of the day you didn’t get hired. And it sounds like you’re ego is preventing you from hearing and criticism and only allowing you to hear what you like.
      Dec 2, 2018
  • Google / Eng Neopets😍
    When are you going to cry cause I want pics
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      A lot of us knew that Google doesn't actually get people from disparate backgrounds. They lie.
      Dec 2, 2018
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    How pathetic. It’s hilarious how people actually think “if only they didn’t ask leetcode in interviews I would get hired for sure”! If FNG hires everyone with a pulse like you’re hoping, they would have similar prestige and TC to infosys and you’d be trying to get into some other company with high standards instead.
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      What the fuck. No, every time a recruiter tells me to study up on X, the fucking interviewer talks about £ instead. Telling me to study up on stacks and queues on LeetCode and Topcoder. Phone screen comes asking me to code Frogger. "Oh, those bugs that you described are still occurring..."
      Fucking liars.
      Dec 2, 2018
  • Cisco gmann
    Here is a promising saying I've heard when I was a very young kid;
    Can't cope
    Don't mope
    Have hope
    Smoke dope
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      [Insert epic sax here]
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      Now legal in California and many other states!
      Dec 1, 2018
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      Interviewers and companies always moving the goalpost. Can't win unless you are lucky enough to be a part of the system. If you were born outside of that, nothing you learn to advance yourself will matter.
      Dec 1, 2018
  • VMware BobbleHat
    Can’t understand what the complaining is about. I went to worse than shit school, no contacts, no friends and got invites to on-site every company I ever applied to, including google, uber, FB etc. Every interview I had followed the recruiters guidance well. If I had listened better I prob would have a better job now.
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  • Amazon / Eng newbanana
    I understand it can be harder without those qualities you mention. I went to one of those u of {state name} schools - so nothing elite like MIT whatever, been in US just a bit over 3 years just to get my BS degree. (don’t ask if I’m indian because I’m not) No contacts in fang ofc. But once you somehow pass resume screening all those things you mention don’t matter, at least not as much as you seem to think they matter.
    Dec 2, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng 5'6"Indian
    Luck is very important in every aspect of life. Sad but true
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  • Cruise Automation mocca
    You seek to be an employee, you play by their rules.
    Dec 1, 2018 0

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