Zillow vs Microsoft Azure compute

Intel kp89
Aug 4, 2018 51 Comments

Got 2 offers-Zillow(P3 or P4 level- still negotiating) & Microsoft Azure Compute(61 level).Pay,level given by Zillow(Total compensation-235) is more than MS(Total compensation -190). Whoch one to choose?

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  • Zillow Group hiyy
    Zillow, Microsoft/Amazon is not even a competition.
    Reasons:
    1)Higher pay and refreshers than Microsoft and amazon
    2) do you believe amazon/msft will hit 1.6 trillion easily or zillow hitting 20 billion.
    3)smaller company bigger growth
    4)More technical challenges, latest tech stack
    5)I have been contacted by EVERY top company without even applying, I dont know why you care about the resume.
    I don't even attend Microsoft, amazon calls anymore.
    6) if any of 1 to 5 doesnt convince you join Microsoft
    Aug 4, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng ashgh
      what kind of candidates are you looking for? one with more industry experience in domain areas/ one work on open source as side projects/ general swe with lots and lots of leetcode experience?

      I hope it’s not the third one cause you made the company sounds fun. but what kind of people/ challenge can one truly expect?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Zillow Group hiyy
      Ok, Zillow is composed of various brands and cities and each of them is different. All I can say is seattle has a lot of amazon and Microsoft influence , sf office is more like facebook and apple and google and Ny is more like bloomberg. So in short: Interview and dev culture is more dependent on location/brand. So all 3 to your question. Zillow sf might suit some people and zillow seattle will suit some. Personally not sure if varying interview process is good or bad, but I'm just saying my answer to your question, since it's not standard compared to other companies.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Microsoft Azcompute
    I work at Azure Compute. If C# is your thing, you should go for it. Otherwise I'd just go to Zillow.
    Aug 4, 2018 9
    • Microsoft mootpoint
      Core compute is all c++. C# is for pussies.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      I dont mind any language. Be it c# or C++. Want to know what is good for me, my resume in long term
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Microsoft CNTQ74
      The thing to keep in mind is that Azure is a big org and there are a few core teams that work on core systems. How do you know you won't be part of team that writes automation tools or metrics collection or something that you might not be interested (not that infra is not important)
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      Good point!!
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product pizzaqueen
      Even if the OP does end up writing tools, etc, OP can always move to the desired team later (provided he/she has the technical chops to so). If u r early career and want exposure/opportunity to explore all kinds of different things MS might b better than Zillow. If $ is more important to u at this point in your career, sounds like Zillow is the way to go. I am not an EM, but I would give MS more cred on your resume than Zillow. Have u taken the competing Zillow offer to MS yet? PS u said it yourself, Zillow is a Real Estate company.
      Aug 5, 2018
  • Microsoft gfba68
    I'd bet on MSFT stock outperforming Zillow over the next 5 years, but probably not by enough to make up for $45k per year in TC. Azure is the more exciting product to me but it depends on your interests.
    Aug 4, 2018 13
    • Microsoft gfba68
      LOL my refreshers are more than your base, my base is more than my refreshers, and the stock has been growing in 30% per year on top of that. I think I'll be alright.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Zillow Group hiyy
      Apparently this very post contradicts what you said, assuming we are both same levels, not even close..as i said zillow has grown from 16 since feb17 and Microsoft has done well but not close. Enjoy your base and refreshers
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I very much doubt we are close in level. And MSFT stock has out-performed Zillow's over the 1, 3, and 5 year time periods. I'm not sure on what level you think Zillow has out-performed MSFT. You said "as much as MSFT has grown over the last 5 years, Zillow has still beaten it." That statement is factually incorrect. Anybody can plot the 2 stocks next to each other and see that. I'm not sure exactly what you are arguing.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Zillow Group hiyy
      predicting Microsoft is going to reach 1.6 trillion faster than 20 billion for zillow? Zillow was 16 in Feb 2016, Microsoft was 30 maybe? Microsoft is a blue chip. Zillow is risky but has a chance to grow a lot just because of its valuation. You must be zero
      in stock trading to not understand this basic. Saying that Microsoft is a growth company and zillow is not is funny.

      Zillow has undergone several stock splits, mergers etc.. please read about it and educate yourself
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and I have things to attend to. Good day.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Yoe ?
    Aug 4, 2018 5
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      ?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Years of experience? Is it related domain?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      4-5 years of firmware experience including internship. I would say not related domain to either of the offers. But I have been very much interested and learning about it on my own for past few months.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Hmm great! Are those two offers in Bay Area ?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      Nope. In Seattle
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Also, why don’t u ask MS to match Zillow ?
    Aug 4, 2018 5
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      I asked but they won't match. Because they can't give me higher than level 61 they say. Also not much difference in base pay. Almost equal. The main difference is in stocks and bonus.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Would you mind sharing the split ? I am expecting an offer as well. Thanks
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      Whom are you expecting from ? MS or Zillow ?
      Aug 4, 2018
    • MS
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      I can give you next week after finalizing the offer. But it's pretty same and standard base pay for 61 to 62 level. Rest is stocks and bonus and relocation
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Oracle zvbsji9p
    Why haven't you taken the extra 45k?
    Aug 4, 2018 3
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      I don't know what's better for me yet in long term. Which one will have more returns in long term. Azure is hot and booming.
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Intel kp89
      OP
      What would you choose ? Just trying to know from more experienced people on how to choose in these kind of situations
      Aug 4, 2018
    • Oracle zvbsji9p
      I mean we can't predict the future but you'd be digging a hole if say 90k after 2 years, MS would have a lot of ground to catch. Try MS again if you think it's better by then, they probably won't undercut your current TC by then.
      Aug 4, 2018
  • Microsoft hoover
    Ask Microsoft for more money, they might not fully match but should adjust up based on offer. Also if this matters to you Zillow is right in downtown Seattle while Microsoft is in the suburbs, very different commute
    Aug 8, 2018 0
  • Microsoft sbtQ70
    How much is the base pay for level 61
    Aug 5, 2018 0
  • Zillow Group / Eng
    Hollowed

    Zillow Group Eng

    PRE
    Motorola
    BIO
    Praise the Sun!
    Hollowedmore
    What’s the breakdown of the offers..?
    Aug 4, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    Microsoft Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
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    Zillow Hands down. Microsoft is not worth taking the pay cut
    Aug 5, 2018 1
    • Tango Health / Eng WaterColor
      And why? Anecdotes?
      Aug 5, 2018
  • Op what’s the update ?
    Aug 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    If the org is azure compete you won't have to worry about being in a tools group. That is a much better job than working on a website for zillow. You could get some good visibility there and get promoted pretty quickly if you do good work.

    My advice would be to see if Ms will budge on the stock or signing. When I joined they easily gave more stock. They will not change the base salary much. I find it hard to believe that they won't give you a bit more stock as a 61 if you tell them about the other offer and say you will take it if they dont get closer.
    Aug 4, 2018 0
  • Oracle wreck
    Mind sharing the split?
    Aug 4, 2018 0