amazon promotion vs external hire

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dkricns

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Aug 25 21 Comments

hi,

i know there is a hiring bar for external hire, but if someone performs well and get internal promo from sde1 to sde2, does this person also can get similar comp as external hire? in other words, can i also get 250+ if i get promoted to sde2?

yoe: 2
new hire sde1
tc 195(145 base)

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  • Amazon blinders-on
    For Amazon, the external hires need to be better than 50% of people in a role. For internal promotion, you only need to meet the bar.
    Aug 25 3
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      How about performing well(above median) and get promoted? Still no change or small(<5%) bump?
      Aug 25
    • Amazon blinders-on
      @dkricns: Yes, the promotion bump is usually small because your target comp on promotion is close to bottom of the band. Ideally, you are supposed to be promoted as soon as you meet the bar for next level. Regardless of the promo raise, you will most likely see your base go up to max base as the promo stock award usually vest only after 2 years.
      Aug 25
    • Amazon orba1
      Takes too long to chase the TT carrot. Just leave the company or get a competing offer.
      Aug 25
  • Amazon / Eng Scsjiixxjw
    no
    Aug 25 4
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      Cant understand why amazon does not give same treat for internal promo. Is there any reason? Even though i perform well?
      Aug 25
    • Qualcomm NqAf57
      When you're being hired as an external candidate, Amazon has a much higher bar (must be better than 50% of existing staff at that level) and is theoretically competing with potentially many other companies for your talent. Once you join Amazon, all Amazon is competing for is for you to stay with the company rather than quitting, and Amazon HR is rolling the dice and betting that your existing TC is enough to make you stay.
      Aug 26
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      Then does it mean i need to interview again to others and ask for tc nego to amazon if i want stay at the amazon but want higher tc?
      Aug 26
    • Qualcomm NqAf57
      No. It means that you have to quit, work for someone else for a while and then reinterview with Amazon and get a new offer.
      Aug 26
  • Qualcomm NqAf57
    The company already has you as an employee so there is no need to bump your TC up much as there's very often significant lethargy when it comes to interviewing for another job elsewhere and every company knows it. You can be an exception to that, and try to get a better offer elsewhere if you want better TC.
    Aug 26 0
  • Amazon uaqh79
    The external will most likely have a much higher TC
    Aug 25 5
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      Then what is the realistic comp raise for my case? Thanks in advance!
      Aug 25
    • Amazon uaqh79
      I’ve seen practically nothing for a raise up to around 10%
      Aug 25
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      Probably then, i could have 3-5% raise by a year, and if i get promoted then ~10% up ?
      Aug 25
    • Amazon uaqh79
      Unlikely, I see yearly raises at either 0%, 1-2%, or 3% depending on performance without promotion. 0% means dev list -> pivot
      Aug 25
    • New / Eng
      dkricns

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      Wow....thats lol....thanks..
      Aug 25
  • Amazon orba1
    Almost universally no. Companies will not pay you more unless the market demands it irrespective of promotion. Get promoted, then get a competing offer at that level.
    Aug 25 3
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      dkricns

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      Does it mean promotion will not raise much? If so may you give me some idea?
      Aug 25
    • Amazon orba1
      Correct. Promotions are internal "respect points". Promotions generally do not map to significant comp adjustments at Amazon.
      Aug 25
    • Qualcomm NqAf57
      I think that that's true for almost everywhere until you start getting to the big VP / SVP / EVP / CxO leagues.
      Aug 26
  • Amazon CeoExtra
    Your TC increase for promo: 0/NULL/None/Void/Nada.

    Sorry to say this.
    Reason is 195K is slightly over the bottom of SDE2 band.
    Aug 25 0