career advice for first time manager

Align Technology / IT r8r8r8
Sep 19 15 Comments

Been IC for 10yrs 1st yr as Mgr. Happy about the switch. Not sure what are my next steps. what are possible roles I can take next? how not to struck as middle manager?

#management

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  • Oracle
    not_larry

    Oracle

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    Amazon
    not_larrymore
    Book: The Manager’s Path

    From another post by an Amazon SDM:

    Learn how to win trust of others.
    Learn how to be genuinely focused on enhancing others careers
    Learn how to give up your engineering (it’s hard. You will have withdrawal symptoms)
    Learn how to unite your team so they are stronger together
    Learn how to choose the right battles that you can win.
    Be close to tech leads and PEs so they trust you
    Learn to talk about technical topics in full detail or at high level depending upon audience
    Learn how to manage top performers so they are always winning
    Learn how to manage bottom performers so they are not slacking
    Learn to play politics with other SDMs who want to take away your credit
    Learn how to be visible whenever there is an opportunity
    Learn to listen and help remove hurdles
    Trust others but keep verifying randomly
    Document. Document. Document
    Remember if it’s not being measured or tracked, it’s not gonna meet the deadline
    Every thing tends to fail and everyone has seemingly valid excuse why it’s not their fault. You need to make it happen.
    Appreciate whenever it’s justified. It’s not about you. It’s about others
    Learn when to micromanage and when not to
    Sep 19 2
    • Align Technology / IT r8r8r8
      OP
      I have big trouble with point 3 from the bottom. How can I make it happen irrespective of so many dependencies. I planned a release, realized no buffer resources and told the boss. Boss said said we have enough to execute it. Last sprint, half of team is either sick or leave and missed release. What should I have done different?
      Sep 19
    • Netflix notnotreed
      Under promise over perform
      Sep 19
  • New ballsy
    Get the book "managers path" and follow the suggestions there. Stay technical, at least the first few years. Accept that you are going to make mistakes and ask for help. Surround yourself with strong ICs and strong managers. Don't micromanage. Allow your people to talk to other departments, encourage them to have skip level meetings. Get feedback from them. Great ICs don't become great managers so don't assume anything. This is a brand new role. Try to learn and enjoy.
    Sep 19 0
  • Amazon
    azmix

    Amazon

    BIO
    Here to share my experience and knowledge inspired by the support I got from minimsft.
    azmixmore
    Decide what is more important for you: your people or your own career. In most cases you can not have both.
    Sep 19 5
    • Microsoft fk5d8er
      Taking care of your people should = taking care of your career. Anything else suggests toxic self-serving culture. If your team does well then you do well; take care of your team.
      Sep 19
    • Amazon
      azmix

      Amazon

      BIO
      Here to share my experience and knowledge inspired by the support I got from minimsft.
      azmixmore
      Agree but in most places you will have to deal with a forced curve.
      Sep 19
    • Align Technology / IT r8r8r8
      OP
      Ms is always been my dream company. What it takes to be mgr at MS? I consider myself above average in technical skills, people who knows me says i am humble so kind of makes me good leader.
      Sep 19
    • Align Technology / IT r8r8r8
      OP
      Azmix
      Can you help me more. I see it happen all the time in any company. Doing a great job is not good enough to progress, it is like expecting the tiger not to eat you because you are a vegetarian.
      Sep 19
    • Amazon
      azmix

      Amazon

      BIO
      Here to share my experience and knowledge inspired by the support I got from minimsft.
      azmixmore
      I don’t know the latest calibration system at Microsoft if that’s where you’re going. I always choose my people first above everything else - I consistently get awesome feedback from my directs and mentees, but I fail to become a manager of managers because every time I end up fighting the system.
      Sep 19
  • Google artandwine
    Good luck.

    I have had 2 bad, 1 very good manager.
    Signs for good one:
    1. Never micromanage, until it is the only way. If you micromanage out of missing deadlines etc, you will setup your team for distrust and people will leave left and right.
    2. Your peoples career is your job. Put it before yours, and you will find great success. Make yourself obsolete, and you will thrive
    3. Be sure to stop coding. Like... Really. It sucks when you dont have the time to code, but you really have to stop. Let people do it, be there for direction. Tell them what needs done, not how.
    4. Understand the business you are in. As a manager your job is to find as many great opportunities for your peipke as possible, and this is the only way to find them

    L7 IC who followed his dream manager.
    Sep 19 0
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    • Lockheed Martin / R&D Schz3
      Smh This is why many women are frustrated professionally. They have a hard time being seen as professionals. Some insist on seeing them primarily as dating objects.
      Sep 21
  • Lockheed Martin / R&D Schz3
    Depends on what you want. If climbing the ladder is important to you than do so. Me, I prefer to be closer to the real work, at least for now
    Sep 20 0
  • Align Technology / IT r8r8r8
    OP
    fk5d8er
    I don’t know what skills makes a good mgr to great manager? Like leet code to devs, is there any tool for management so i can master it. I feel Mgmt is more of personality(feeling happy about helping others to succeed) . My question is, while doing this how can i progress without boasting to my boss that “ I did all this” infact its the team who did it i am only the servant. What are the artifacts i should show case?
    Sep 19 0
  • Microsoft fk5d8er
    Wrong questions. You should be asking for advice on how to be a great manager. Try to be great, not decent or good, and you will get rewarded and get more responsibility. Take this as constructive feedback. I don’t assume you’re a bad manager, but you can always get better and that should be your goal.
    Sep 19 0

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