downleveled

Aug 23 21 Comments

interviewed at amazon hq. 2 yoe. all interviews were positive and recruiter made a verbal offer for exceptional sde 1 (downleveled from sde 2).

i asked the recruiter about giving me a few more rounds but she said you can expect to get to sde 2 in a year and that i must speak woth the hiring manager during team match.

is there still anyway to push for sde 2? i am speaking with the hiring manager in sunnyvale next week.

anything helps!

also ive not heard back about the tc numbers. whats a resonable tc for bay area at amazon?

tc: 100k current

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Oracle / Eng aham
    Don't believe what recruiters say. You won't get promotion in one yr
    Aug 23 2
    • OP
      Exactly why I’m asking if there is anyway I can convince the hiring manager if I can join as sde 2
      Aug 23
    • Amazon pAms71
      It's possible. If the OP thinks they're at SDE II, join and demonstrate it. They can be releveled or quickly promoted if the data is there.
      Aug 23
  • LinkedIn / Eng
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    I don't think you deserve sde 2 though
    Aug 23 4
    • OP
      On what basis do you conclude that?
      Aug 23
    • Amazon 💥 boom
      To get hired as SDE2 you need to demonstrate in the interviews that you’re better than 50% of existing Amazon SDE2s (i.e. raise the bar). There are SDE2s from 2 to 15 yoe experience and if you get put in the middle of that band and you don’t perform, you’ll be PIPed very quickly. With 2 yoe in non-FANG you’re barely midband of SDE1.
      Aug 23
    • Amazon nGum87
      @boom I've always been amused by the "your experience is from non-FAANG so we value it less" implied by your last sentence.

      There are incredibly smart and capable people here but the truth is a lot of people in the early years of their FAANG life really are just...average.

      Of course it's all about how you sell yourself in the interview. I'm actually more inclined to trust a dev from a small shop that owned a product from start to finish than a FAANG dev that monkey patched features here and there for years.

      Scale and scope are certainly very different but that's merely a part of the story.
      Aug 23
    • Amazon 💥 boom
      @nGum The point isn’t that non-FANG experience isn’t valuable but rather that it’s very often not relevant. That makes it hard for these candidates to demonstrate that they raise the bar. Very few companies operate systems at the scale of Amazon and most non-FANG engineers have little experience in designing, building, and maintaining services at scale.
      Aug 23
  • Amazon cuang
    No, nothing you say can make them change the level.
    Aug 23 0
  • Chevron kuulcoder
    How long did it take to get feedback after on-site?
    Aug 23 4
  • Amazon daone
    Hold your ground if you want SDE2. Play ball with them, say you will pass on the offer.
    Aug 23 3
    • Amazon pAms71
      Do you actually work here? You can't negotiate level. The BR did this, not the HM. The OP does not raise the bar for SDE II.
      Aug 23
    • Amazon daone
      I am not saying negotiate level. I said play ball with the recruiter cuz it worked for one of my coworkers. He said no I don’t want to take that and they called back, bumped him up.
      Aug 23
    • Amazon pAms71
      Fake story.
      Aug 23
  • Amazon nGum87
    The biggest negotiation power you will eve have is the willingness to walk.

    Companies are very unlikely to change level after an offer unless you somehow have a competing offer at a higher level from a place they regard.

    If you can't walk away from this, then inform the HM about your expectation for sde2 and when they say no (they will), accept the sde1 offer but articulate that you'd want to work with them to make a solid development plan to l5
    Aug 23 0
  • Oracle / Eng aham
    Also 2 yoe doesn't guarantee sde2. Folks within Amazon won't get promoted within 2 yrs
    Aug 23 0
  • New / Eng osishsnnc
    They did this to me from 3 to 2. Said I had an all inclined interview yet down leveled. Annoying
    Aug 23 0