interviewed at amazon hq. 2 yoe. all interviews were positive and recruiter made a verbal offer for exceptional sde 1 (downleveled from sde 2). i asked the recruiter about giving me a few more rounds but she said you can expect to get to sde 2 in a year and that i must speak woth the hiring manager during team match. is there still anyway to push for sde 2? i am speaking with the hiring manager in sunnyvale next week. anything helps! also ive not heard back about the tc numbers. whats a resonable tc for bay area at amazon? tc: 100k current
How long did it take to get feedback after on-site?
They did this to me from 3 to 2. Said I had an all inclined interview yet down leveled. Annoying
I don't think you deserve sde 2 though
On what basis do you conclude that?
To get hired as SDE2 you need to demonstrate in the interviews that you’re better than 50% of existing Amazon SDE2s (i.e. raise the bar). There are SDE2s from 2 to 15 yoe experience and if you get put in the middle of that band and you don’t perform, you’ll be PIPed very quickly. With 2 yoe in non-FANG you’re barely midband of SDE1.
No, nothing you say can make them change the level.
Also 2 yoe doesn't guarantee sde2. Folks within Amazon won't get promoted within 2 yrs
Hold your ground if you want SDE2. Play ball with them, say you will pass on the offer.
Do you actually work here? You can't negotiate level. The BR did this, not the HM. The OP does not raise the bar for SDE II.
I am not saying negotiate level. I said play ball with the recruiter cuz it worked for one of my coworkers. He said no I don’t want to take that and they called back, bumped him up.
The biggest negotiation power you will eve have is the willingness to walk. Companies are very unlikely to change level after an offer unless you somehow have a competing offer at a higher level from a place they regard. If you can't walk away from this, then inform the HM about your expectation for sde2 and when they say no (they will), accept the sde1 offer but articulate that you'd want to work with them to make a solid development plan to l5
Don't believe what recruiters say. You won't get promotion in one yr
Exactly why I’m asking if there is anyway I can convince the hiring manager if I can join as sde 2
It's possible. If the OP thinks they're at SDE II, join and demonstrate it. They can be releveled or quickly promoted if the data is there.