hr1044 consequences

New IOvp62
Jul 28 77 Comments

Just my 2 cents:
1- If they want to introduce a positive change, let's first increase the ridiculous cap on eb visas, maybe add extra 100K (the extra cap can be free from country limits), this will help to clear the backlog.
2- If this bill succeeds (unlikely) there will be an exodus of non-Indian skilled workers from the US. The reason for that is not many people have the motivation to wait 10+ years for their immigration status to settle, Europeans, Canadians, Chinese and others will probably prefer to transfer to offices overseas or simply settle for other good opportunities back home. I'm certainly one of them, will never bother waiting around for years to get a GC!

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  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    If you think Indians a group then this is selfish. If you think of every individual as a separate entity then it’s not. Pro and anti groups campaign accordingly.
    Jul 28 25
    • New OEre21
      About what? The 7% cap or the pooling? This is the link that talks about pooling: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-overhaul-immigration-system-merit-based-admissions
      Jul 28
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      When you discriminate, it can't be based on criteria that people can't strive to achieve. You can strive to achieve a degree - in theory nothing prevents you from doing that. Country of origin is something i can't change - it's immutable. We can always get better at what attainable criteria we can include. However, none of that should take hostage meaningful and simple reforms like kicking out country of birth from what qualifies anyone to get GC. Those who hate 386 should instead get a bill passed in house that has points based criteria and then start attacking the bill. At that point, they will find real allies. Many of us have waited decade for any reform.

      If your wait time goes from 0-5 year and you were worried, where were you when many of us were waiting for a decade with no end in sight?

      Just remember even in the points bills there is no country cap. That's because fundamentally country caps aren't skill. Having a fair first come first serve is reasonable - not because it's not the only criteria, but there is already skills criteria based on EB1 2 and 3.
      Jul 28
    • New OEre21
      I agree to the first point that it's not fair to place a criteria on a parameter that you can't overcome as it's inherently unfair.
      But visa restrictions are unfortunately placed on the individual based on the country that they come from.
      Visa free travel is granted to countries, not individuals. I think that's unfair also. But immigration is a cynical system that is used as leverage not really for the immigrants benefit.
      Ideally the backlogs should not have allowed to get this bad.
      Ideally this bill shouldn't have been required.
      And ideally the merit based proposal should not be held hostage to daca, dreamers etc.
      I'm not even against anyone waiting before getting pr, waiting is not the issue because everyone waits.... maybe waiting for PERM... etc. It's just with the backlogs the wait time is so uncertain and I think it's horrible.
      Jul 28
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      'visa restrictions are unfortunately placed...' -> you are giving the motivation for s386 bill. Just because it was there doesn't mean it's set in stone. People can strive to fix a broken system.

      Everyone wants points based system - but the honest truth is it's been 15 years and I have waited long enough, without support from RoW, who are happy with status quo because it keeps their privilege intact.

      Travel ban - for the same reason (discrimination based on country) is very wrong. Many of us were at airports against the ban, because it is fundamentally discriminating someone based on immutable characteristic.

      Will it increase wait times for RoW - yes, but as others said, we are individuals who are applying not countries. Just because it has been that way doesn't mean we can't work to fix it.
      Jul 29
    • New OEre21
      If I were in your shoes I'd also want it resolved at any cost. That's understandable.
      Jul 29
  • Microsoft
    hulabalu

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    hulabalumore
    A question - why there will be an exodus of non-Indian people? If this bill goes through then new immigrants from India and Brazil will be treated the same way and have the same long wait time - but the Brazilian will just leave and Indian won’t? What exactly is the logic here. Also - America is unique in the sense that it has a differential treatment based on where the immigrant was born - so the Brazilian by your logic is protesting everywhere else to be treated differently than the Indian?
    Jul 28 27
    • New OEre21
      I'd say they should be subject to country caps and everyone else processed in the same queue. I.e transfer all the other Chinese, Indians, Mexicans etc to the ROW queue.

      I'd also add that one can't utilize a favorable priority date if the petition was filed by an evc type company or an h1b dependent company. Instead get a priority date based on when your new company (non-evc, non-h1b dependent) decided to file for your PERM.
      This solves 2 problems:
      1) Americans will no longer see this bill as giveaway to temporary workers who took their jobs
      2) ROW will feel like this is a true level playing field with no advantage given to those who are willing to be exploited by evc companies for the purposes of getting a green card.
      Jul 29
    • Microsoft
      hulabalu

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      hulabalumore
      Yeah - sounds okay to me actually. Hope it was an option on the table.
      Jul 29
    • New OEre21
      I don't think it was an option....
      Jul 29
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      Grassley amendment actually does that. It makes the offshore model very hard to work, because of audits and other restrictions.
      Jul 30
    • Great American Insurance Group theflare00
      That's the prob that every other national will leave country but indians wont.
      Chinese come to States..study n work n leave to serve their country but indians cant
      7d
  • New / Strategy
    Porsche996

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    OP rhetorical question, say if you were Indian and waiting in GC queue what would you do?
    I understand that no one wants to wait but simply seeing from someone else's view would alter your biases.
    Jul 28 5
    • Amazon filla
      Simple, if OP was Indian he would do one of the following:
      1. Not be born in India.
      2. Singlehandedly stop h1b fraud. But only the ones committed by Indians. As no other country commits h1b fraud.
      3. Singlehandedly, find all "cheap" labor and ask them to leave. But again only from India. As no other country sends cheap labor.
      4. Leave and make India great again.
      Jul 28
    • Facebook / Eng REPW86
      Maybe more like make India great
      Jul 28
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      Is even 1) an answer? How should I not be born after I am born?
      2) that's what Grassley amendment does.
      3) no other country sends cheap labor ? Seriously . What happened to all the RoW unskilled GC beneficiary who cut the line ahead? Not sure if you know, but the last 5 years data shows for some rest of world countries, the majority of GC beneficiary from those countries were pizza cutters and security guards, who made 30k. If you tell me they did prevailing wage determination to find they couldn't find anyone to be security guards, it's far worse fraud. To say no other country sends cheap labor is opposite of reality.
      4) this isn't any different from random racist comment on internet - so I am going to ignore this one.
      Jul 30
    • Amazon filla
      Bruh, sarcasm! Anytime the backlog is brought up, these are literally what people expect Indians to do.
      Jul 30
    • Google / Eng backlogged
      /me cowers in shame for not realizing it was sarcasm. 😐

      ☮️
      Jul 30
  • F5 Networks dontalk2me
    I think I agree. And then Trump Norway immigrants will never be able to become residents
    Jul 28 0
  • Citadel Securities wagecuck3
    It's not going to be 10+ years. Unused EB-1 visas spill over to EB-2, and EB-3 visas will never go unused because most EB-2 people can downgrade. So if all 120,000 visas in EB-1,2,3 get used for clearing the backlog every year, it will only take 6 years to clear the present backlog. Also the bill has a 3 year transition period so ROW applying in the 3 years after the bill is passed would only have slightly longer wait times than present. ROW applying in the 4th year would have to wait 3 years for the backlog to clear.
    Jul 28 2
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      The people who are already in the queue will be cleared in time. For next years, whoever is joining the queue will understand that there’s a delay. Also, we could actually have an amendment to have this ramp up period to be 10 years.
      Jul 28
    • Oracle embarcoder
      We don't want to relitigate this, the experts (pro HR1044 Stuart Anderson from Forbes) have already done the analysis and determined that it will be a 10-year wait.

      /article/Analysis-on-the-impact-of-HR1044S386-to-Rest-of-the-World-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-JiGcQv3C
      Jul 28
  • Netflix AQhA27
    This is a selfish bill. They failed to check its impact on AC21. This is never going to pass.
    Jul 28 0
  • SAP / Eng
    DFwE10

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    DFwE10more
    Your 2 goes against the current conditions. Currently Indian wait time is more than 10 years and still we get enough. If there were good opportunities back home then they would have already gone - for everyone. 1 agreed. At a high TC, it makes sense to get cap exempt.
    Jul 28 1
    • Great American Insurance Group theflare00
      My question is why r they are in a country for more than a decade on a work visa? Why they arent sent back .
      I dont agree with ur "IF there were good oppt back home" I think you are just a naive and someone doesnt knw advancements in india now but rather want to settle abroad which is ok but dont say that there arent oppt back home
      7d
  • New sKEV50
    it's funny that Indians are complaining while most of them believe in reincarnation, maybe you should've done better in your previous life!
    Jul 30 0
  • Yahoo keo3
    OP, you know how a queuing system works? The customer standing in the queue is just asking to not treat them differently based on their country of birth. Doesn't sound unfair to me.
    Jul 28 1
    • Groupon / Eng sleepy
      To add, the customers already in the queue are exempted from this.
      Jul 28
  • Apple uPXo55
    OP is an idiot, there are lot of Indian/Chinese H1b people in Silicon Valley thriving with multimillion $ homes and well paying jobs, why should this be different for europeans or people from rest of the world, if you are interested to stay, wait in the line like Indians and Chinese. What I am noticing is “easy meal” withdrawal syndrome. Keep your 2 cents, save it for the return ticket, seems like you are not waiting types.
    Sep 20 1
    • Great American Insurance Group theflare00
      This discrimination should stop against all other national and govt should ban indian n china from h1b for a decade and send people back to allow other national serve this great country
      7d
  • Apple FPPM52
    Currently, only 15% of the green cards issued are for employment based petitions. I would fix that first. (With half of those cards going to the worker’s family.)
    Jul 28 1
    • Great American Insurance Group theflare00
      Lol good luck this will never happen
      7d
  • Deloitte CHng76
    The system should prioritize those ones who are the most skillful and smartest regardless of the country origin. One great indicator is to see if they have advanced degrees in the U.S.
    Sep 3 0
  • Great American Insurance Group theflare00
    This will never pass and should never be passed
    7d 1
    • Adobe Brick01
      what does it mean that 99senators voted this and just one opposed
      Yesterday